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Agreed...weakness as compared to GOP...because the GOP has been better at messaging/marketing themselves to those groups.
Even without a comparison they are terrible at messaging. You can pick literally dozens of different times...the most recent being "defund the police"....that's terrible messaging regardless of what the GOP is doing. It's brutal and been brutal for a long time.
Again I think this all flows back to one big difference between the 2. GOP is pretty unified in what they believe. When Trump shifted the party a bit, they mostly got on board with it. The Democrats are a much looser configuration. We really need 4 parties, not 2. The Trump strong right party, the Bush-Reagan style conservatives, the moderate Biden left and the strong Bernie AOC left.
Georgia went blue because of wealthy suburbanites. Popular vote is nice but doesn't get you anything. And constantly shouting "but Republicans are worse!" doesn't really get you anywhere unless you can explain how you're going to help people.
I don't think it's an odd time to point it out.
Because enough people wanted Trump out specifically.Many voted Biden and then R down ballot Ds lost seats in the house. In PA, Ds held AG, but lost Treasurer and Auditor General.
Sorry Tim....you can't have it both ways.
And I don't believe this is a problem either. If we've been shown anything is that the actual "bases" are locked in and it doesn't matter AT ALL what the candidates say. They are bought in on their "team" and that's not going to change.
Hasn't there been like 10 "paradigm shifts" in regards to how the electorate allies itself and votes with in this new century?
I'd argue there's really been two paradigms in this century. The first was rally about the flag after 9/11. The next was "throw the bums out" from 2006 onward. 06, 08, 10, 14, 16, 18, and 20 all showed pretty strong general anti-incumbent sentiment. Only Obama's re-election in 2012 bucks the trend but that was due to his immense personal popularity.
I can agree with that. I do believe that this country by and large is center-right....and I am a believe in the idea that money solves a lot of problems in life(and by extension...society). I'd also say that the Right would be in a much better way if the messengers of their platform weren't(by and large) filled with such snark, hypocrisy and condescension.
Why is it an odd time to point it out? Most exceptional coaches....after a dominating victory....prefer to focus on "what went wrong" in the latest game because they know that even in victory, you can learn from the mistakes you made. That's actually an effective leadership trait.
What do you think the Democrats' biggest weakness is instead? I voted "on the fence" -- interested in hearing what you think.
I saw a story on Hispanics in Texas walking away from Biden because he poorly communicated his position on transitioning from oil and gas. Again, messaging.
There’s nothing new in the article. Many of us have been saying the same thing for years. There are lots of extreme views that Democrats are messaging which makes them unpalatable to both the center and the Republicans. Stuff like “defund the police” is never going to do anything but alienate those that the Democrats need to get elected.
Appreciate the reply tim. Much of what you wrote resonates with me (or as my young co-workers like to say, incorrectly, "I really resonate with that"), but IMO you are taking the OP and article, and in essence you are re-framing it to say what you want it to say.
The Democratic Party -- as a collective entity -- is advancing the message of "defund the police"? It seems more to me like narrow-niche, one-off messages are getting over-applied to a broad coalition of party members and party supporters.
The GOP messaging is certainly more clear and straightforward. It’s dumb but the catch phrases and buzz words really seem to work. Socialist, leftists, lock her up, snowflake and all that other rhetoric seems to be what really sticks with a lot of people.
Most of what he uses for examples are election results from a month ago. I think it's always helpful to have real results to work with vs polling.
The Dems aren’t putting out a better, more coherent slogan as an alternative. And too many liberals have latched onto and are repeating that absurd message.
If you can't articulate what you're for, your opponent will (truthfully or otherwise).
Interesting.....and as long as democrats promise to give voters free stuff, I imagine nothing else they say is relevant.gianmarco said:
Well..Considering the party's former leader, President Obama, called them out on it and had major Democrats like Omar discredit his statements, yeah, there seems to be a very strong push for this in the Democratic party.Doug B said:
How’s this landslide theory holding up when we look at state legislatures and gubernatorial races?Thunderlips said:
The democrats' problem here is that this country doesn't have many problems that are solved by sound byte length honest slogans.Murph said:Alex P Keaton said:
D's gained 7 gubernatorial seatsin 2018. They gained 6 state government trifects in 2018....and gained 41 in the House.
$15/hour. Legalize Marijuana. Expand Medicare.
Absolutely. It's the responsibility of every organization to make their message understandable.
First off, here's what I mean by taking the right steps: there are those within the Black Lives Matter movement, and some among progressives, that support the "defund the police" thing (though even then it doesn't mean what opponents imply.) But the leadership of the party immediately rejected it: Biden, Jim Clyburn, Nancy Pelosi, etc. Now you can't shut these folks (the progressives) up; there is free speech after all. Nor can you stop conservatives from trying to link these voices with the party as a whole. (Heck, they're doing it in this thread.) All you can do is continually point out that (a) the leadership of the party rejects it and (b) when Democratic voters were given a chance to decide between the center (Biden) and the left (Bernie) they overwhelmingly chose the center.Alex P Keaton said:
Still think of her, AOC, Tlaib, etc. as fringe figures, not standard-bearers. I don't think the centrists within a party have to own and embrace the things their fringe says. Similar that a Reagan-Bush Republican doesn't have to embrace nationalism.
I don't think any of those are marketing winners for democrats. They all do well in a vacuum, but they are all pretty easily countered especially in a center-right, risk/change averse nation. Especially among the voters being mentioned here. $15 hour means already devastated small business will need to cut back on employees and expanded Medicare means all of those union concessions for better health coverage were for naught.
