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Just do an all play free for all for those 8 teams. Top point scorer weeks 14-16 wins it all.
I have a league where we count H2H for one victory point a week but you also get another for beating the spread. 4 teams make the playoffs on victory points, the last two are the highest remaining total points. Really helps to weed out the pretenders
Depends on how the league is set up.
Sure there is. H2h as tiebreaker is not the most fair, but we still decided to keep using it in my 21 year dynasty league. At least in a league of friends, it makes a fun finish when h2h is the tiebreaker.
That’s pretty sweet.
I find it strange that people would use H2H all season long to determine who is eligible for the playoffs, then scoff at the idea of using H2H to break a tie for a playoff spot, then revert back to using H2H during the playoffs to determine the champion.
The focus is more on individual matchups. There is more crap talking. You have rooting interests in most of the games going on because they have more affect on your playoff chances or your pick (if dynasty).
Why is this a nightmare for the Commish? The tie breaker criteria should be established and its as simple as following what your league does (it should be total points as the tie breaker if you are doing it right.....which makes this kind of thing very simple).
Having an opponent each week rather than playing all 11 teams. I don't really have a preference either way, but I could see that as the main reason especially if you're playing against friends or work people or something.
It's because if you have an unbalanced schedule where you don't play everyone the same number of times it can be very unfair. Throw in that you may have played a team only once and it happened to be during the week you had 7 starters are bye and it's not a good way to break a tie.
In our Father-Son league we have 12 teams and everyone makes the playoffs (top four seeds get a bye). In order to keep a balanced schedule we play every team one time (11 weeks) and then have a "position week" in week 12. The schedule is 1st vs 2nd; 3rd vs 4th. etc. That way you are playing the team closes to you the last week so you can take care of business if you need a win. It works out great.
It's direct competition each week with something specific to follow. When you play against every one you lose a lot of the direct competition feel. It just loses something.
Hey if fairness is the main objective, don't do Head to Head at all. Play in a total points league. By your logic, the playoff spots should go to the teams that scored the most points on the season.
Given the following scenario, Is Team B really the better team?
I can't stand playing in total points leagues (not H2H format) because you lose that weekly head to head competition factor. However, for a tie break I don't like H2H because of imbalanced schedules (especially with ties involving more than two teams). I knew the argument against me would come regarding the inconsistency of having H2H all season and then using total points as "more fair" to pick the better team. I don't have a logical comeback for that argument. For me, it's a lot more fun playing against a single opponent each week but much simpler (and more fair in my eyes) to just use total points as a tie break.
They are really even but I would still say that overall Team B is better because they scored the most overall points. If Team A outscored Team B in those 9 weeks by one point each time I would say they are very even but if those other four weeks Team B outscored Team A by 30 pts each week that shows overall that Team B is better (in my eyes).
Yeah, I get that. I only use it in one league, and as a league we decided we liked having Head to Head because it is a very matchup focused league, with teams that have been playing together a long time. And each team has been screwed by it at least once, which helps everyone to be more accepting of it's inherent unfairness. But overall I think it's enhanced that league because the end of year finish is always really tight.
Out long time total points league added H2H a few years ago to add some interest. We split the pot for the total points winner and SB winner. A little money goes to second place in each category too. Last year I won total points but lost the SB. This year, I have no chance at total points but made the playoffs barely. The total points identifies the best team over the season while the SB gives the top 6 teams a chance at winning something.
I am not really sure what you mean by a "very matchup focused league". All of my leagues are very matchup focused - they are all H2H. Winning your weekly matchup is all that matters because record is what gets you into the playoffs or wins you the title (i have a couple leagues that just play 17 weeks with best record winning the title so no playoffs). How much more matchup focused can you be and why does that require a H2H tie break that can get very complicated (see OP to this thread)?
No one required anything, we decided that was more fun and interesting. Just like when teams decide H2H instead of total point is more fun and interesting for initial standings.
"require" was a bad word choice by me. I am still interested to know what you mean by "a very matchup focused league" Is there something else besides just a normal H2H schedule that increases the importance of the H2H matchup?
I just meant that the teams in the league like a lot of focus being on individual matchups. Not there there is any setting that makes them more important (other than using H2H as a tiebreaker).
I think he meant figuring out the tie break scenarios is a nightmare.......not that everyone is competitive
Even if H2H was used as the tie 1st breaker in this scenario (8 teams tied) they would more than likely move to whatever is the 2nd tie breaker anyway.
Exactly. Messy and not readily known without going back through the schedule to see what every team has done against every other team. There are ways to do it but with unbalanced scheduled and multiple teams tends to screw someone that didn't play as many games or that played many more games than other teams. Total points is clean and easily identifiable.
We go by record and then total points scored is the tie breaker and that has always solved any problems or issues with wins and losses.
Really all that is left for me in fantasy football is beating my brother a couple times a year.
The spread being the league average. If you're top half in point in a given week, you get a victory point. If you win your H2H, you get a victory point. Top 4 victory points go to the playoffs, top 2 remaining with the highest total points make the playoffs also.
Other than it's a H2H league?
No, you're right. It's only a nightmare because he's a first year Commish. Took over for a guy that ran it for 10yrs and that guy never gave him the Tie-Breakers and he didn't really think that through. The league has been together for over 10yrs so we all know the tie-breakers and there's no controversy, but I find this crazy as I've never seen something like this before
Exactly. Each team has to play each other the same amount of times to use H2H, with 8 teams tied that's not possible in this league. So we move on to #2 and #3 if necessary
This helps make using H2H as a tie break a lot more palatable however, it still lends itself to only playing one time against a team when you have multiple key players on bye which becomes a huge disadvantage that you cannot plan for at all (how do you know who you are playing the week your key guys are on bye?). For a tie break I like all teams to be on an equal footing. Total points does that.
When there are multiple teams involved, it ruins the finish. If you an get past the interpretation issues of how to apply the rules, which can cause arguments and headaches, it is still less fun. It creates so many permutations of what could happen, that it’s difficult to know what to root for on any given play. Much of the fun of FF is getting that extra dopamine hit when a big play works out in your favor. Complex scenarios rob most FF players of that joy.
Just to add on to what I posted above.
Nah, it's usually pretty easy to figure out who you want to win or lose going into the last couple of weeks. In the league where we have a H2H tiebreaker, I have taken to laying out potential scenarios before week 12 and 13 on the message board. Like I said, I and my league think that it adds to the fun, which is why we've kept it that way in our 20 year dynasty league. I'm sure there are plenty of other leagues that like having the wild finish for playoff spots that H2H tiebreaker is more likely to bring.
Nah..when this board was more active, we used to tons of posts every season right about now where leagues couldn’t even figure who made the playoffs after having a few days to noodle on it. I am also guessing your scenarios have team sure if they want other teams to lose because it helps some scenarios, but hurts others...
But they don't have a chance of having the week they are on bye be used as the tie breaker head to head game.
