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Just now, the rover said:

No, there were two.  That’s why he’s charged with two.  Funny how that works.  He called a friend after the first one and said “I just killed a guy.  I’m going to jail for life. “  Guess his facts are more accurate than yours.

"Soon after he shot three people, a panicked 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse told a friend he expected to go to jail for life, but that if he had not fired, he would "probably be dead."

Indeed. That's why we have courts of law and the 5th amendment. Using words said by a panicked 17 year old suddenly realizing what happened does not indicate murder. If anything it emphasizes more self defense.

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The President told MAGA to do it MAGA said they were going to do it MAGA filmed themselves doing it Afterwards, MAGA bragged about it Clearly, it was ANTIFA’s fault

So they're finally following the CDC guidelines for the pandemic?

One is an ugly, decrepit wasteland ruled by an assortment of villains hoping to impose their will on peace-loving people everywhere who otherwise just want to be left alone to tend to their gardens.

3 minutes ago, The General said:

While we are dissecting people’s backgrounds  this Rittenhouse dude has vids of him sucker punching a girl and hanging with The Proud Boys flashing their cute little white power signs.

 

Proud boys are led by a Cuban American and have all different races in their ranks. Other than being a group looking for a fight, how exactly does that fit into the "White Power" narrative?

As for the "sucker punch", it was a group fight started by the girl that he jumped into and started hitting her. Again, I'm not saying this kid is all there but using a high school scuffle to say he sucker punched a girl is pretty weak. 

We know how the media operates. If there was no video of the incident, Kyle would already be convicted by public opinion with no witnesses coming to his aid. The video debunks the narratives being put forth.

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27 minutes ago, Insein said:

"Soon after he shot three people, a panicked 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse told a friend he expected to go to jail for life, but that if he had not fired, he would "probably be dead."

Indeed. That's why we have courts of law and the 5th amendment. Using words said by a panicked 17 year old suddenly realizing what happened does not indicate murder. If anything it emphasizes more self defense.

That has nothing to do with the fifth amendment.  Christ.  The journalist that was providing first aid heard him on the phone.  The phone call he made while standing over his victim, before he ran away.  It’s admissible as an admission of guilt and an excited utterance.  It also ruins his claim that he immediately ran away out of fear.  

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1 minute ago, the rover said:

That has nothing to do with the fifth amendment.  Christ.  The journalist that was providing first aid heard him on the phone.  The phone call he made while standing over his victim, before he ran away.  It’s admissible as an admission of guilt and an excited utterance.  It also ruins his claim that he immediately ran away out of fear.  

So the guy that tried to shoot him but got shot by him heard him bragging about killing people and that's your evidence? Case closed then I guess. 

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21 minutes ago, Insein said:

Proud boys are led by a Cuban American and have all different races in their ranks. Other than being a group looking for a fight, how exactly does that fit into the "White Power" narrative?

As for the "sucker punch", it was a group fight started by the girl that he jumped into and started hitting her. Again, I'm not saying this kid is all there but using a high school scuffle to say he sucker punched a girl is pretty weak. 

We know how the media operates. If there was no video of the incident, Kyle would already be convicted by public opinion with no witnesses coming to his aid. The video debunks the narratives being put forth.

I’d want nothing to do with the Proud Boys. A little light reading about them is just bad news. Do you defend this dudes? I’ll let you defend the kid’s fight where he’s hitting a girl. Don’t really think you are convincing me there though :lol: 

My point was looking into people’s past won’t work out too well for this kid if that’s the route people want to go. He’s troubled to say the least. 

I think none of that really matters as it relates to this kids legal problems. 

As this relates to Jan 6th of this kid was at the Capitol who do you think he would be shooting? 

 

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3 minutes ago, The General said:

I’d want nothing to do with the Proud Boys. A little light reading about them is just bad news. Do you defend this dudes? I’ll let you defend the kid’s fight where he’s hitting a girl. Don’t really think you are convincing me there though :lol: 

My point was looking into people’s past won’t work out too well for this kid if that’s the route people want to go. He’s troubled to say the least. 

I think none of that really matters as it relates to this kids legal problems. 

As this relates to Jan 6th of this kid was at the Capitol who do you think he would be shooting? 

 

No one because he wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the Capitol with his weapon. 

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10 minutes ago, Insein said:

No one because he wouldn't have gotten anywhere near the Capitol with his weapon. 

That seems like the best way to deal with this everywhere and not just DC.

Let’s just say he did. Who’s he shooting?

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2 minutes ago, The General said:

That seems like the best way to deal with this everywhere and not just DC.

Let’s just say he did. Who’s he shooting?

Same as all the other people shot by the rioters that day. 

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3 minutes ago, Insein said:

Same as all the other people shot by the rioters that day. 

He would have been standing with the police shooting proud boys or standing with the proud boys shooting police? 

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6 minutes ago, The General said:

He would have been standing with the police shooting proud boys or standing with the proud boys shooting police? 

The police were rioting?

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1 hour ago, Insein said:

At least the pedophile and wife beater got what they were looking for.

Unfortunately so did the armed vigilante 17-year-old.  He went looking for trouble and found it.  

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9 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

Unfortunately so did the armed vigilante 17-year-old.  He went looking for trouble and found it.  

No argument there. 

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2 hours ago, Insein said:

Proud boys are led by a Cuban American and have all different races in their ranks. Other than being a group looking for a fight, how exactly does that fit into the "White Power" narrative?

As for the "sucker punch", it was a group fight started by the girl that he jumped into and started hitting her. Again, I'm not saying this kid is all there but using a high school scuffle to say he sucker punched a girl is pretty weak. 

We know how the media operates. If there was no video of the incident, Kyle would already be convicted by public opinion with no witnesses coming to his aid. The video debunks the narratives being put forth.

Proud Boys leader is a police informant. :lmao:

These incel pukes are so dumb they elevated a police informant to the tops of their ranks.  And guess who wasn't at their insurrection? :lmao:

so good....

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3 hours ago, Insein said:

"Soon after he shot three people, a panicked 17-year-old Kyle Rittenhouse told a friend he expected to go to jail for life, but that if he had not fired, he would "probably be dead."

Indeed. That's why we have courts of law and the 5th amendment. Using words said by a panicked 17 year old suddenly realizing what happened does not indicate murder. If anything it emphasizes more self defense.

Yeah, there are some who really want to push this into murder by ignoring half the facts.  He is just a kid who did not understand how the law protects him.  It absolutely shows it was self-defense in his mind.  

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4 hours ago, General Malaise said:

Proud Boys leader is a police informant. :lmao:

These incel pukes are so dumb they elevated a police informant to the tops of their ranks.  And guess who wasn't at their insurrection? :lmao:

so good....

Wasn't at the insurrection because he was arrested a couple days before on a charge from months earlier. The claim was they were trying to keep violence from happening by removing him. You're trying to say it was conspiracy that he was conveniently arrested so he wouldn't have to be there?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/proud-boys-enrique-tarrio-arrest/2021/01/04/8642a76a-4edf-11eb-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html%3foutputType=amp

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1 hour ago, Insein said:

Wasn't at the insurrection because he was arrested a couple days before on a charge from months earlier. The claim was they were trying to keep violence from happening by removing him. You're trying to say it was conspiracy that he was conveniently arrested so he wouldn't have to be there?

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/proud-boys-enrique-tarrio-arrest/2021/01/04/8642a76a-4edf-11eb-b96e-0e54447b23a1_story.html%3foutputType=amp

I'm saying defenders of this incel klan of woman hating racists love to point out that their leader is a person of color so that negates the possibility that they are white supremacists.  This despite the fact that their founder IS indeed a white supremacist.  What's hysterical is that they elevated a person of color to the position of power who is and has been a police informant.  You can't write better comedy than this!  And yeah, his arrest right before the treacherous insurrection fueled by Donald Trump is awfully suspicious.  And I don't give a #### if that's a conspiracy theory or not, it's comedic gold to see this outfit of pretend Call of Duty virgins embarrass themselves in the national spotlight.  I'm laughing at them and will every day I'm alive. 

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16 minutes ago, General Malaise said:

I'm saying defenders of this incel klan of woman hating racists love to point out that their leader is a person of color so that negates the possibility that they are white supremacists.  This despite the fact that their founder IS indeed a white supremacist.  What's hysterical is that they elevated a person of color to the position of power who is and has been a police informant.  You can't write better comedy than this!  And yeah, his arrest right before the treacherous insurrection fueled by Donald Trump is awfully suspicious.  And I don't give a #### if that's a conspiracy theory or not, it's comedic gold to see this outfit of pretend Call of Duty virgins embarrass themselves in the national spotlight.  I'm laughing at them and will every day I'm alive. 

If anything you could say his arrest was very convenient to allow a riot to happen. Without a leader to calm the masses they might cause an unorganized unrest. It's almost like they wanted it to happen. 

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12 hours ago, the rover said:

He shot three people and tried to shoot another and missed.  He shot them because they were trying to take his gun away.  He has admitted that he shot center mass intending to kill them.

Thanks.  As I start learning more about this, I tend to fall with CM on this one.  It's going to be interesting to see how this one plays out.  I'm also wondering how this one is going to get an agreed upon jury.  As it gets closer to jury selection it seems that more attention is being drawn to Rittenhouse himself.  Heard a report just this morning on Morning Addition that since he's been out on bail, he's been hanging out with known Proud Boys which is somewhat interesting given the desire and full court press to paint him as this innocent kid who genuinely thought he was trying to "help".  I don't know how all this is going to play out.  I don't think this is as black/white as some want it to be.  

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12 minutes ago, The Commish said:

 I don't know how all this is going to play out.  I don't think this is as black/white as some want it to be.  

This. The certainty that some people have in his innocence or guilt is confusing to me.

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1 minute ago, dawgtrails said:

This. The certainty that some people have in his innocence or guilt is confusing to me.

Was confusing to me at one time too, but now I get it.  Simply put, it's confirmation bias.  "The ONLY way this doesn't happen the way I think is if it happens incorrectly".  It's something I've seen floated for years, but couldn't quite put my finger on what was wrong with it.  Then it started becoming clear to me in 2015, 2016.  And now, in 2020 I see it clear as day. 

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13 hours ago, jon_mx said:

But he had no way to know that.  And Rosenbaum is a complete psychopath.  I 100 percent believe his intent was to kill Rittenhouse.  

Again, assuming arguendo the bold is true, the bold is still only relevant if Rittenhouse knew that. 

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1 hour ago, dawgtrails said:

This. The certainty that some people have in his innocence or guilt is confusing to me.

Yeah this is a very complicated, complex situation that in a black and white world rests squarely in the gray. Further, since we cannot possibly jump inside the shooter's head at the time of the offense, we will never know whether he really imminently feared for his physical safety to the point he worried about death or serious bodily harm. 

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13 hours ago, Dickies said:

Wasn't it illegal for a 17 year-old to carry a gun in WI?  Regardless, I watched the video when it happened and while there were people being aggressive and there may have been looters, I don't believe either of those warrant a death sentence.  I also am of the belief that someone willing to shoot another person over what happened should not be carrying a gun in that situation.  He sought out the protest.  He could have sat at home and watched in on TV or Twitter, but decided to grab a gun and get involved.

But he had no way to know that.  And Rosenbaum is a complete psychopath.  I 100 percent believe his intent was to kill Rittenhouse.  

He had no way of knowing the gun laws in his neighboring state?  Seriously?

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14 hours ago, Insein said:

One of the alleged victims was carrying a firearm and attempting to shoot Rittenhouse before Rittenhouse beat him to it.

I don’t understand why you and Jon are so eager to jump to the conclusion that one of the victims had clear intent to murder Rittenhouse while also arguing that the guy who actually killed two people had no intent to do so.

I am no legal expert and have no clue how the case will play out. I can see some merit to the claim that he was defending himself as the tension at the scene was swirling all around, but having watched original video on Twitter after it happened I got the sense that all three shootings were unnecessary. I don’t think he deserves my understanding of first degree murder,  but I also don’t think he should walk. Armed vigilante justice should be discouraged.... especially from people who claim to have the highest respect for police. 

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2 hours ago, dawgtrails said:

This. The certainty that some people have in his innocence or guilt is confusing to me.

Yeah, the first video I saw wasn't very good about setting the whole scene.

He shouldn't have been there, shouldn't have been armed, shouldn't have gotten involved.  I hope he pays some price for that above and beyond just having to live the rest of his life knowing he killed three people.

But I think he's got a real chance to beat the murder raps.

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1 hour ago, Dickies said:

I don’t understand why you and Jon are so eager to jump to the conclusion that one of the victims had clear intent to murder Rittenhouse while also arguing that the guy who actually killed two people had no intent to do so.

I am no legal expert and have no clue how the case will play out. I can see some merit to the claim that he was defending himself as the tension at the scene was swirling all around, but having watched original video on Twitter after it happened I got the sense that all three shootings were unnecessary. I don’t think he deserves my understanding of first degree murder,  but I also don’t think he should walk. Armed vigilante justice should be discouraged.... especially from people who claim to have the highest respect for police. 

"So the kid shot gaige as he drew his weapon and gaige retreated with his gun in hand. I just talked to Gaige Grosskreutz too his only regret was not killing the kid and hesitating to pull the gun before emptying the entire mag into him. Coward,” a friend of Grosskreutz wrote in a chat."

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Just now, The General said:

Considering both the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers had small groups of people who plotted an attack long before Trump's speech, it is very ignorant to lay it on a speech which asked to be peaceful after the plot was put in place.  Unfortunately because of piss poor preparations, a group of about 20 instigators total were more than enough to succeed.   

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33 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Considering both the Proud Boys and Oath Keepers had small groups of people who plotted an attack long before Trump's speech, it is very ignorant to lay it on a speech which asked to be peaceful after the plot was put in place.  Unfortunately because of piss poor preparations, a group of about 20 instigators total were more than enough to succeed.   

Trump’s speech and shtick for months prior is what caused Jan 6th riots. He is judged accordingly by most. 

In other threads posters are now upset that there is too much military / police presence at the Capitol :lol:

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13 minutes ago, The General said:

Trump’s speech and shtick for months prior is what caused Jan 6th riots. He is judged accordingly by most. 

In other threads posters are now upset that there is too much military / police presence at the Capitol :lol:

Has the narrative been firmed up yet?  Just a few weeks ago, the fencing was keeping all the pedophiles IN.....recently it seems those same people are now saying the fencing is keeping people OUT!!!!

Another case of "when conspiracy theories collide"  :lol: 

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6 hours ago, massraider said:

One of the freedom loving Patriots wants you to know that his talk of hanging traitors and so forth was simply "locker room talk".

Actual defense by his lawyer.

 

 

 

 

https://twitter.com/MacFarlaneNews/status/1369995813464735745?s=09

It's been part of our language for years.  Sports and politics often use language referencing killing their opponents in a figurative way.  Unless they were trying to put nooses around people's necks, it is doubtful they meant it literally. 

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11 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

Pfft. One noose. 😴 

Did you see how many people were there???? Only one noose. 

That clearly means that less than 1% of the people were REALLY there to lynch anyone. 

Otherwise, just locker room talk. 

Like when we were in high school, and we would talk in the locker room about lynching politicians, and sexually assaulting women.  

Ahh, memories.

 

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1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

It's been part of our language for years.  Sports and politics often use language referencing killing their opponents in a figurative way.  Unless they were trying to put nooses around people's necks, it is doubtful they meant it literally. 

Kind of like "grabbing woman by the P***Y".  That ones always used in sports and politics too.

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1 hour ago, dawgtrails said:

Well good to hear that Ron Johnson wasn't scared because it was a bunch of white folks who love their country. But if it was BLM protestors, he would have been truly frightened.

What a piece of ####

https://twitter.com/American_Bridge/status/1370434031532314625?s=20

NOthing says I love my country like beating a cop with a flag.

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1 hour ago, dawgtrails said:

Well good to hear that Ron Johnson wasn't scared because it was a bunch of white folks who love their country. But if it was BLM protestors, he would have been truly frightened.

What a piece of ####

https://twitter.com/American_Bridge/status/1370434031532314625?s=20

Huh.  Wouldn't expect a sitting Senator to have economic anxiety like that.

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