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Half of Republicans believe false accounts of deadly U.S. Capitol riot

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Three months after a mob of Trump supporters stormed the Capitol to try to overturn his November election loss, about half of Republicans believe the siege was largely a non-violent protest or was the handiwork of left-wing activists “trying to make Trump look bad,” a new Reuters/Ipsos poll has found.

Six in 10 Republicans also believe the false claim put out by Trump that November’s presidential election “was stolen” from him due to widespread voter fraud, and the same proportion of Republicans think he should run again in 2024, the March 30-31 poll showed.

 

Right wing media has convinced these people that they are always the victim. It's now spilled into so much of the party that we can't even consider this behavior to be extreme. It's simply the modern day Republican Party.

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2 hours ago, Bucsfan5493 said:

Half of Republicans believe false accounts of deadly U.S. Capitol riot

Right wing media has convinced these people that they are always the victim. It's now spilled into so much of the party that we can't even consider this behavior to be extreme. It's simply the modern day Republican Party.

True, but...

Keep in mind that roughly 1/3 of Republicans are so embarrassed by the association that they no longer call themselves "Republicans".  They are, and obviously they're still voting that way, they just don't want anyone to know it.

So we're only talking about 1/2 of about 25% of all people in this article.  i.e. one in eight.

1/8 people believe all kinds of utterly crazy things -- regardless of party affiliation.

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U.S. judge tests prosecutors’ claims that Proud Boys leaders planned Capitol breach

By Spencer S. Hsu, Rachel Weiner and Tom Jackman

April 6, 2021 at 8:00 a.m. EDT

A judge challenged U.S. prosecutors’ allegations that key leaders of the Proud Boys planned in advance to threaten Congress and battle police in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot, saying Tuesday that he had not yet seen a clear “invocation to violence” in their communications.

Whether the rioting was spontaneous or egged on by extremist groups planning on violence for their own reasons has been a central question as the government has charged more than 40 members or associates of the Proud Boys and the Oath Keepers, both far-right groups, among 360 arrested in the Capitol attack.

At a hearing, U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Kelly of Washington said despite evidence that the Proud Boys leaders planned, fundraised and organized scores of members to converge on the Capitol with radios and protective gear in expectation of violence, it is less clear whether charged conspirators plotted beforehand to thwart police and disrupt Congress, or whether individual members opportunistically drove the chaos.

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3 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

At a hearing, U.S. District Judge Timothy J. Kelly of Washington said despite evidence that the Proud Boys leaders planned, fundraised and organized scores of members to converge on the Capitol with radios and protective gear in expectation of violence, it is less clear whether charged conspirators plotted beforehand to thwart police and disrupt Congress, or whether individual members opportunistically drove the chaos.

At least we have moved on from the narrative that ANTIFA was behind the insurrection.

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On 4/5/2021 at 4:59 AM, Bucsfan5493 said:

Half of Republicans believe false accounts of deadly U.S. Capitol riot

Right wing media has convinced these people that they are always the victim. It's now spilled into so much of the party that we can't even consider this behaavior to be extreme. It's simply the modern day Republican Party.

ALL liberals believe false accounts.  For instance, all believe the the insurgents were armed when all there was was a dude with a flagpole and a guy with zipties.  They also believe the false narrative that rioters murdered people.  

The story is even so ignorant that what is claims is false (Republicans believe the siege was largely a non-violent protest) is actually true as less that 0.1% have been charged with engaging in violent acts.  The fact that 99.9% of the protestors were peaceful would prove the idea that the protests were largely peaceful, but the leftist in this thread continue to buy into clearly false and misleading spin.   And even characterizing it as a siege is a a big stretch of most definitions of the word. 

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9 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

At least we have moved on from the narrative that ANTIFA was behind the insurrection.

I never once said that ANTIFA had any involvement at the Capitol.  

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Looking back on this is sad/humorous that footballguys (as well as most everyone with an internet connection) saw problems coming and yet the Capitol was still completely caught off guard whether on purpose or not. 

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3 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

ALL liberals believe false accounts.  For instance, all believe the the insurgents were armed when all there was was a dude with a flagpole.  They also believe the false narrative that rioters murdered people.  

The story is even so ignorant that what is claims is false (Republicans believe the siege was largely a non-violent protest) is actually true as less that 0.1% have been charged with engaging in violent acts.  The fact that 99.9% of the protestors were peaceful would prove the idea that the protests were largely peaceful, but the leftist in this thread continue to buy into clearly false and misleading spin.

What is your definition of ‘armed’? Are you saying stun guns, pepper spray and baseball bats doesn’t fit that definition for you?

‘All there was was a dude with a flagpole’ is beyond laughable and is just another clear attempt to try and downplay how bad things were.

As far as the rioters murdering anyone, there’s literally video of them trampling over and killing one of their own so you’re just wrong on that. 

LMAO, didn’t you spend the entire summer #####ing about the summer riots? 93% of the ‘riots’ were considered peaceful. Out of all the people who were protesting, what % do you believe were engaging in violent acts? Once again, you’re guilty of exactly what you claim to hate the left for. Sure, the fact might be true but it’s clearly just in attempt to downplay the overall event.

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11 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

And even characterizing it as a siege is a a big stretch of most definitions of the word. 

Maybe but I wouldn't call it peaceful either.  I'm sorry but those idiots that stormed the Capitol were indeed insurrectionists and at least one police officer was murdered.

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Just now, Bucsfan5493 said:

What is your definition of ‘armed’? Are you saying stun guns, pepper spray and baseball bats doesn’t fit that definition for you?

‘All there was was a dude with a flagpole’ is beyond laughable and is just another clear attempt to try and downplay how bad things were.

As far as the rioters murdering anyone, there’s literally video of them trampling over and killing one of their own so you’re just wrong on that. 

LMAO, didn’t you spend the entire summer #####ing about the summer riots? 93% of the ‘riots’ were considered peaceful. Out of all the people who were protesting, what % do you believe were engaging in violent acts? Once again, you’re guilty of exactly what you claim to hate the left for. Sure, the fact might be true but it’s clearly just in attempt to downplay the overall event.

Armed implies guns.  A person is not going to charged with armed robbery if they show up with zipties. 

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2 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

Maybe but I wouldn't call it peaceful either.  I'm sorry but those idiots that stormed the Capitol were indeed insurrectionists and at least one police officer was murdered.

Mostly peaceful.  If last summer was mostly peaceful, this certainly was.  

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3 minutes ago, Godsbrother said:

Maybe but I wouldn't call it peaceful either.  I'm sorry but those idiots that stormed the Capitol were indeed insurrectionists and at least one police officer was murdered.

No one was charged with murder and the cause of his death will forever remained unknown.  

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19 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Mostly peaceful.  If last summer was mostly peaceful, this certainly was.  

The rioters that looted and burned down buildings were not peaceful.  Neither were the actions of the insurrectionists that stormed and broke into the Capitol.

 

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19 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

No one was charged with murder and the cause of his death will forever remained unknown.  

Murderers often get away with murder.  It doesn't mean it didn't happen.  

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35 minutes ago, Bucsfan5493 said:

LMAO, didn’t you spend the entire summer #####ing about the summer riots? 93% of the ‘riots’ were considered peaceful.

If you could please stay current with liberal talking points that would be great. The super sciencey study that declared the protests to be 93% peaceful has actually upped that number to 95%. Please use the new data going forward. 

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It's not overly complicated. Nearly every single protest is 99% peaceful, until it isn't. This is true of a few of the summer ones and the January 6th one. The difficulty is that there were 100"s if not thousands of summer protests and a small percentage of them turned terribly violent and destructive where the January 6th protest was a singular event that turned violent and destructive. All in all it was likely a similar percentage of summer protests turned riot and January 6 protestors that stormed the capitol. 

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4 hours ago, Bucsfan5493 said:

LMAO, didn’t you spend the entire summer #####ing about the summer riots? 93% of the ‘riots’ were considered peaceful. Out of all the people who were protesting, what % do you believe were engaging in violent acts? Once again, you’re guilty of exactly what you claim to hate the left for. Sure, the fact might be true but it’s clearly just in attempt to downplay the overall event.

It's really weird. Every time someone goes back to that 'mostly peaceful' trope, I ask about the summer protests, and get crickets.  

Instead, it's lol, u losers, only 10% were charged with federal crimes!

 

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48 minutes ago, massraider said:

It's really weird. Every time someone goes back to that 'mostly peaceful' trope, I ask about the summer protests, and get crickets.  

Instead, it's lol, u losers, only 10% were charged with federal crimes!

 

No crickets at all:  anyone that participated in violence during the summer protests were criminals.

I am not sure how that lessens the actions of the insurrectionists that stormed the US capitol chanting "Hang Mike Pence" and demanding the results of the election be overturned but I guess it does for some.  

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5 hours ago, the moops said:

It's not overly complicated. Nearly every single protest is 99% peaceful, until it isn't. This is true of a few of the summer ones and the January 6th one. The difficulty is that there were 100"s if not thousands of summer protests and a small percentage of them turned terribly violent and destructive where the January 6th protest was a singular event that turned violent and destructive. All in all it was likely a similar percentage of summer protests turned riot and January 6 protestors that stormed the capitol. 

Not true at all.  There had been numerous Trump events which were far more peaceful than your typical BLM rallies.  That is one of the reasons that the DC Police guard was down for the Jan 6th event. 

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6 hours ago, Godsbrother said:

Murderers often get away with murder.  It doesn't mean it didn't happen.  

Not when it is all captured on video tape.  The only murder on that day was the police shooting the unarmed female.   

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11 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

Not when it is all captured on video tape.  The only murder on that day was the police shooting the unarmed female.   

Interesting take.  

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Add well know leftist John Boehner to putting Jan 6th riots squarely on Trump.

The original Orange man unloads on Donald.

“Trump “incited that bloody insurrection for nothing more than selfish reasons, perpetuated by the bull#### he’d been shoveling since he lost a fair election the previous November.

Boehner adds that Trump “claimed voter fraud without any evidence, and repeated those claims, taking advantage of the trust placed in him by his supporters and ultimately betraying that trust,”

....Mr. Boehner writes that Mr. Trump’s “refusal to accept the result of the election not only cost Republicans the Senate but led to mob violence,” adding, “It was painful to watch.”

At another point, he writes, “I’ll admit I wasn’t prepared for what came after the election — Trump refusing to accept the results and stoking the flames of conspiracy that turned into violence in the seat of our democracy, the building over which I once presided.”

He adds: “Watching it was scary, and sad. It should have been a wake-up call for a return to Republican sanity.” Nodding to the divisions between the parties in Congress now, he writes, “Whatever they end up doing, or not doing, none of it will compare to one of the lowest points of American democracy that we lived through in January 2021.”

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(CNN)At least one of the Capitol riot defendants has flipped against the Proud Boys, agreeing to provide information that could allow the Justice Department to bring a more severe charge against the group's leadership, according to an attorney involved in the case.

The development is the first indication that people charged in the insurrection are cooperating against the pro-Trump extremist group. Federal prosecutors have made clear they are focused on building conspiracy cases against leadership of the Proud Boys and paramilitary groups like the Oath Keepers.

Court records have made murmurs for weeks about cooperators and plea deals in the works, and prosecutors revealed that a rioter wearing an Oath Keepers hat was in talks to cooperate earlier this week.

Ah, bummer.  I always thought there would be honor among white nationalist insurrectionists.  

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1 minute ago, massraider said:

Ah, bummer.  I always thought there would be honor among white nationalist insurrectionists.  

You know the leader of the Proud boys is not white, right?  As is a large portion of their membership.

Do guys ever actually do any research?  Or do you just get talking points handed down from on high and go with them?

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4 hours ago, jon_mx said:

Not true at all.  There had been numerous Trump events which were far more peaceful than your typical BLM rallies.  That is one of the reasons that the DC Police guard was down for the Jan 6th event. 

We are talking about January 6th here

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A man accused of assaulting multiple officers at the Capitol riot may have been thinking about fleeing the country to avoid prosecution, according to investigators who reviewed his online search history.

Christopher Joseph Quaglin was arrested Wednesday in New Brunswick, New Jersey, on charges of assaulting, resisting, or impeding certain officers or employees; civil disorder; and obstruction of official proceeding in connection to the January 6 riot, according to the Department of Justice. 

In court documents viewed by Insider, authorities said Quaglin helped lead the charge into the Capitol and assaulted numerous officers during the process, including attacking authorities with a stolen riot guard and spraying a "chemical irritant" at officers trying to stop the break-in.

Quaglin's internet search history from two weeks after the riot also pointed to a worry over being arrested.

On January 20, he visited a website giving information on which countries allow a person to buy citizenship, residency, or a passport, according to Quaglin's arrest affidavit. 

Investigators also said that Quaglin made multiple searches for "guy gets bear sprayed at capital," suggesting he was trying to find whether there was evidence online of him using a chemical irritant at the riot. 

He also visited an FBI page where the agency put out calls for help identifying riot suspects eight times, according to the affidavit. 

Quaglin is among more than 400 people arrested in connection to the Capitol riot so far

This Patriot, and clear super genius, googled every incriminating phrase he could think of, including how to buy citozenship in another country.

 

You'll be glad to know he was NOT armed at the Capitol, he just brought some bear spray in case any wild animals were in DC, and stole a riot shield and beat cops with it.  

But NOT armed.  

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8 minutes ago, massraider said:

This Patriot, and clear super genius, googled every incriminating phrase he could think of, including how to buy citozenship in another country.

 

You'll be glad to know he was NOT armed at the Capitol, he just brought some bear spray in case any wild animals were in DC, and stole a riot shield and beat cops with it.  

But NOT armed.  

Cool. Cool. The Alabama man with the truck full of molotov cocktails wasn't armed either. So glad this was an UNarmed insurrection. 

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20 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

Cool. Cool. The Alabama man with the truck full of molotov cocktails wasn't armed either. So glad this was an UNarmed insurrection. 

Now the conservative opposition to the UN is starting to make more sense...

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17 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

You know the leader of the Proud boys is not white, right?  As is a large portion of their membership.

Do guys ever actually do any research?  Or do you just get talking points handed down from on high and go with them?

Exactly.  Everyone knows the long history of the Proud Boys' support of women and minorities.

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4 hours ago, massraider said:

This Patriot, and clear super genius, googled every incriminating phrase he could think of, including how to buy citozenship in another country.

 

You'll be glad to know he was NOT armed at the Capitol, he just brought some bear spray in case any wild animals were in DC, and stole a riot shield and beat cops with it.  

But NOT armed.  

These are just tools

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1 hour ago, Godsbrother said:

Exactly.  Everyone knows the long history of the Proud Boys' support of women and minorities.

That's not the point, but you went with it anyways for distraction.  Good work evading the truth. :thumbup:

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Unarmed peaceful protester:

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A Texas man who boasted about being at the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 has been charged for plotting to bomb data centers in Virginia in hopes of destroying “about 70% of the internet,” federal prosecutors say

https://www.thedailybeast.com/seth-pendley-who-boasted-about-being-at-capitol-riots-plotted-to-blow-up-amazon-data-centers-feds-say?via=twitter_page

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39 minutes ago, massraider said:

How does this compare to burning down Federal buildings, assaulting/murdering citizens, looting businesses and destroying neighborhoods?  Asking for a friend.

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17 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

How does this compare to burning down Federal buildings, assaulting/murdering citizens, looting businesses and destroying neighborhoods?  Asking for a friend.

That stuff is bad.

You’d probably be pretty critical of a political figure who caused it because of the simple fact they couldn’t accept that they lost an election. 

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39 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

How does this compare to burning down Federal buildings, assaulting/murdering citizens, looting businesses and destroying neighborhoods?  Asking for a friend.

Have you once just said - yeah, that's bad - instead of having to compare it to something else?

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57 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

How does this compare to burning down Federal buildings, assaulting/murdering citizens, looting businesses and destroying neighborhoods?  Asking for a friend.

I'd say two sides of the same coin personally....congrats on being part of that coin creation :thumbup: 

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4 minutes ago, knowledge dropper said:

Esquire?

:lmao:

Right?  The subtitle of the article:

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If you ever wonder why the Republican Party can’t cut loose of the crazy, refer to the results of this study

And we're supposed to take this seriously?  Wait...is Esquire an approved source?

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22 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

How does this compare to burning down Federal buildings, assaulting/murdering citizens, looting businesses and destroying neighborhoods?  Asking for a friend.

"but BLM!!" 

 

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1 hour ago, KarmaPolice said:

"but BLM!!" 

 

I've lost count of the incidents where he's said something like "if you don't like what happened on Jan 6, then what about the protests last summer?" only to be met with "well, yeah, the riots, looting, burning #### down all sucked and those people should be in jail" kinds of comments followed by silence moving on to the next person :lol:  At some point he'll realize his talking points only apply to those on the opposite side of the coin from him.  Coins are becoming obselete.

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On 4/7/2021 at 3:40 PM, jon_mx said:

Not when it is all captured on video tape.  The only murder on that day was the police shooting the unarmed female.   

I mean if you guys needed proof that Jon is trolling you he decided to provide it right here.  Believe him.

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3 hours ago, knowledge dropper said:

Esquire?

:lmao:

Better than a link to pj media, redstate, GatewayPundit.  Seriously, someone who posts such links has no room tonlaugh at a study being discussed anywhere.

Have anything to say about the study in the article?

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3 hours ago, BladeRunner said:

Right?  The subtitle of the article:

And we're supposed to take this seriously?  Wait...is Esquire an approved source?

Did you read the study?

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11 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

Better than a link to pj media, redstate, GatewayPundit.  Seriously, someone who posts such links has no room tonlaugh at a study being discussed anywhere.

Have anything to say about the study in the article?

isn't this the "oh, attack the source, not the info!" crowd that usually bags on you for doing similar? 

 

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1 hour ago, KarmaPolice said:

isn't this the "oh, attack the source, not the info!" crowd that usually bags on you for doing similar? 

 

Yes and usually post links far less reputable.

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2 hours ago, sho nuff said:

Better than a link to pj media, redstate, GatewayPundit.  Seriously, someone who posts such links has no room tonlaugh at a study being discussed anywhere.

Have anything to say about the study in the article?

Why would I give a garbage source the clicks?

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