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January 6th - what will happen?


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1 minute ago, The General said:

I’d say the President spending months up to and after the election telling people the election is rigged and spreading disinformation about voting would be just as high on the list :coffee:

A LOT of free speech contributes to the hate and violence in this country.  But attacking free speech is the worst possible response.  

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9 hours ago, jon_mx said:

More people were murdered by protesters than by cops.   Great message. 

What about protesters murdered by 17 year old vigilantes?

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34 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

I know, but suggesting a flag pole or fire extinguisher is justification for deadly force is ridiculous.

We have seen “justification” for deadly force being used when people were running away or holding cell phones 

 

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47 minutes ago, bigbottom said:

Why wasn’t there more security? Why weren’t they better prepared? This lack of preparedness arguably resulted in the deaths of multiple people.

NPR has begun looking at this.  This all appears to start with I&A and the flow of information from there.

If you're interested GB

They'll be doing more on this in the future.

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10 minutes ago, The Commish said:

NPR has begun looking at this.  This all appears to start with I&A and the flow of information from there.

If you're interested GB

They'll be doing more on this in the future.

But they have no issues being prepared for BLM and other protests.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2021/blm-protest-capitol-riot-police-comparison/

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28 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

A LOT of free speech contributes to the hate and violence in this country.  But attacking free speech is the worst possible response.  

Attacking deliberate disinformation campaigns by people preying on the gullible is essential to preserving this country.

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7 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

Attacking deliberate disinformation campaigns by people preying on the gullible is essential to preserving this country.

Absolutely.  The MSM has done its job on you.  

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1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

I know, but suggesting a flag pole or fire extinguisher is justification for deadly force is ridiculous.

You should visit the "another killing at the hands of police" thread.  Seems the bar is pretty low for what justifies deadly force.

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1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

I know, but suggesting a flag pole or fire extinguisher is justification for deadly force is ridiculous.

Defending the actions of the over 400 charged with crimes on Jan 6 is ridiculous.

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2 minutes ago, dozer said:

Defending the actions of the over 400 charged with crimes on Jan 6 is ridiculous.

I don't think he is defending the actions of them at all.  He is correctly pointing out that the media is hyprocritical and focused on incorrectly calling January 6th a violent issurection while keeping quiet all last summer regarding the violent BLM/Antifa rioters were actually murdering police.

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1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

But that is the problem, both sides look at things completely different depending upon who is involved.  We need to view all these events with a more balanced view.  

The balanced view is that that on 1/6/21 hundreds of people did something in the Capitol Building that on any other day of the year would have gotten themselves arrested AT THE LEAST....and dropped on the floor by a bullet from a LE official at the worst. ETA: And an overwhelming majority of Americans would have no problem with it.  

For some reason, people such as yourselves refuse to acknowledge that.  

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48 minutes ago, urbanhack said:

But they have no issues being prepared for BLM and other protests.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/dc-md-va/interactive/2021/blm-protest-capitol-riot-police-comparison/

Small sample size of what happens when everyday institutions/organizations within our government are forced to focus on the politics rather than their jobs.  

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19 minutes ago, Gilroy34 said:

I don't think he is defending the actions of them at all.  He is correctly pointing out that the media is hyprocritical and focused on incorrectly calling January 6th a violent issurection while keeping quiet all last summer regarding the violent BLM/Antifa rioters were actually murdering police.

Do you think the election was stolen from Donald Trump?

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1 hour ago, jon_mx said:

A LOT of free speech contributes to the hate and violence in this country.  But attacking free speech is the worst possible response.  

Recognizing lies and purposeful misinformation is not attacking free speech.

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1 minute ago, Apple Jack said:

Use your words.

Do you believe in Santa Claus?  Do you believe OJ was innocent?  Do you believe Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK?

See, asking random questions is fun isn't it?

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2 minutes ago, The General said:

Recognizing lies and purposeful misinformation is not attacking free speech.

I am not referring to calling out Trump's lies.  What I am referring to is the deplatforming, censoring, banning, demonitizing, cancel culture non-sense which makes it far more difficult for right-wing to be heard.  

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8 minutes ago, Gilroy34 said:
12 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

Use your words.

Do you believe in Santa Claus?  Do you believe OJ was innocent?  Do you believe

Lee

Harvey Oswald shot JFK?

 

See, asking random questions is fun isn't it?

You could just say no, I don't believe in crazy conspiracy theories

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14 minutes ago, Gilroy34 said:

Do you believe in Santa Claus?  Do you believe OJ was innocent?  Do you believe Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK?

See, asking random questions is fun isn't it?

Do you think the election was stolen from Donald Trump is not a random question.

ETA: According to his son, RFK believed there was more than one gunman.

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37 minutes ago, Gilroy34 said:

I don't think he is defending the actions of them at all.  He is correctly pointing out that the media is hyprocritical and focused on incorrectly calling January 6th a violent issurection while keeping quiet all last summer regarding the violent BLM/Antifa rioters were actually murdering police.

the media absolutely did not keep quiet about last summers race riots.

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10 minutes ago, Gilroy34 said:

Do you believe in Santa Claus?  Do you believe OJ was innocent?  Do you believe Lee Harvey Oswald shot JFK?

See, asking random questions is fun isn't it?

No. No. Yes.

Donald Trump lost a free and fair election by a margin so large there is absolutely no question that he lost. It wasn’t even close.

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4 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

I am not referring to calling out Trump's lies.  What I am referring to is the deplatforming, censoring, banning, demonitizing, cancel culture non-sense which makes it far more difficult for right-wing to be heard.  

It makes it far more difficult for people spreading misinformation and ratcheting up rage in the gullible to be heard. Not everybody wants that kind of stuff associated with their products. Welcome to freedom. You're welcome to start your own platform.

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8 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

I am not referring to calling out Trump's lies.  What I am referring to is the deplatforming, censoring, banning, demonitizing, cancel culture non-sense which makes it far more difficult for right-wing to be heard.  

When the right wing complains about non-existing things like a stolen election they do not deserve to be heard. Cancel the lies.

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2 hours ago, jon_mx said:

Yes.  The level of security for a crowd that size needs to be 100 times larger.  It like needing a container to hold a gallon of milk and returning with a teaspoon.  Calling that 'insufficient' is laughable.  They were completely unprepared for any size crowd.

I agree they needed a lot more security and I’d like to know why there wasn’t. Reasonable people suspected something like this possibly happening and Trump encouraged it.

Regardless, the reason they got past security was because they were violent. 

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1 minute ago, dozer said:

When the right wing complains about non-existing things like a stolen election they do not deserve to be heard. Cancel the lies.

People who believe they are the authority on what needs to be heard do not deserve to be heard.  

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49 minutes ago, Gilroy34 said:

I don't think he is defending the actions of them at all.  He is correctly pointing out that the media is hyprocritical and focused on incorrectly calling January 6th a violent issurection while keeping quiet all last summer regarding the violent BLM/Antifa rioters were actually murdering police.

The media wasn’t keeping quiet about the BLM protests/riots. It was one of the biggest news stories of the summer

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15 minutes ago, the moops said:

You could just say no, I don't believe in crazy conspiracy theories

To me, he doesn't want to admit that his answer is yes.

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18 minutes ago, quick-hands said:

Self defense isnt murder.  

I'm just sayin - if whataboutism is in play then I want to whatabout too.

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Just now, Herb said:

To me, he doesn't want to admit that his answer is yes.

Actially it is a question he always asks and I have already answered.  His act is tired and repetitive

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5 minutes ago, Gilroy34 said:

Actially it is a question he always asks and I have already answered.  His act is tired and repetitive

I have not seen your answer. I would also point out that some would say the same of your act, especially if you are indeed Noonan 2.0

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18 minutes ago, jon_mx said:

People who believe they are the authority on what needs to be heard do not deserve to be heard.  

What?

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10 minutes ago, Gilroy34 said:

Actially it is a question he always asks and I have already answered.  His act is tired and repetitive

You never answered.

Never.

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3 minutes ago, Herb said:

I have not seen your answer. I would also point out that some would say the same of your act, especially if you are indeed Noonan 2.0

?? Noonan 2.0?  Not sure what you mean here.  My answer was I don't believe there was a legitimate chance Joe Biden received 81 million votes.  So yes, I believe there was voter fraud.  Was it enough to steal it from Trump?  That part is debatable.

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3 minutes ago, Gilroy34 said:

?? Noonan 2.0?  Not sure what you mean here.  My answer was I don't believe there was a legitimate chance Joe Biden received 81 million votes.  So yes, I believe there was voter fraud.  Was it enough to steal it from Trump?  That part is debatable.

Thank you.

Are you aware that the Trump Campaign brought over 60 lawsuits challenging the results of the election and lost all but one?

I’m not sure how you can debate fraud after losing in court so many times, but but I am open to hearing you out.

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It's pure entertainment to me that both these candidates had record amounts of votes but only Biden's count total is questioned :lol:   Question them all or question none of them...stop being lazy.

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8 minutes ago, dozer said:

Thank you.

Are you aware that the Trump Campaign brought over 60 lawsuits challenging the results of the election and lost all but one?

I’m not sure how you can debate fraud after losing in court so many times, but but I am open to hearing you out.

There was some fraud discovered. By Republicans. And then Trump and lapdog trying to coerce the GA Secretary of State to "find" votes for him.

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1 hour ago, dozer said:

When the right wing complains about non-existing things like a stolen election they do not deserve to be heard. Cancel the lies.

The bible allows more arguments with God than the left allows with so called "experts".

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1 minute ago, quick-hands said:

The bible allows more arguments with God than the left allows with so called "experts".

I really have no idea what point you are trying to make.

Do you think the election was stolen?

 

 

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2 minutes ago, dozer said:

I really have no idea what point you are trying to make.

Do you think the election was stolen?

 

 

No.    But i think trying to cancel arguments is stupid.    How is that for my point?

Do you think trump colluded with the russians?

Oh but i do think every election should be forensically audited.

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38 minutes ago, Gilroy34 said:

?? Noonan 2.0?  Not sure what you mean here.  My answer was I don't believe there was a legitimate chance Joe Biden received 81 million votes.  So yes, I believe there was voter fraud.  Was it enough to steal it from Trump?  That part is debatable.

So you think that Biden's vote totals were fraudulent. I would call that a giant 'yes' as to your answer on whether the election was stolen. 

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3 minutes ago, quick-hands said:

No.    But i think trying to cancel arguments is stupid.    How is that for my point?

Do you think trump colluded with the russians?

Oh but i do think every election should be forensically audited.

Do you think that this election was not secure? This has been the most scrutinized election in history and there has been ZERO evidence found in the 60+ lawsuits and the many recounts and the on and on and on

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