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January 6th - what will happen? (1 Viewer)
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urbanhack
Fight The Power!
timschochet
Footballguy
Interestingly enough, almost all the anger from Trump supporters today seems directed not at liberals or Democrats (even though they are the ones presumably who stole the election) but at Republicans who refuse to join the fight today.
JAA
Footballguy
Its interesting. Pence has a real opportunity here. He can use this moment-in-time stump to make any speech he wants, on any topic he wants. Opportunities like this don't come along very often for many people. He has an opportunity to write himself into the history books. It will be interesting to see what he does.
Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
the moops
Footballguy
Mitt Romney is worth like 1/4 billion dollars. He should get himself a private planeNon timebo mal@AncPerl
Mitt Romney, in a flight full of patriots in their way to DC
Video in link. Seems like a fun plane ride for everyone
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
As a centrist who is disgusted with both sides, I don’t like seeing either having too much power, but you reap what you sow. The combination of Trump being Trump and McConnell’s continued obstruction is the reason for this. The GOP has no one to blame but their so-called leaders.
apalmer
Footballguy
They really need to go back to Trump's campaign rally music: "You can't always get what you want."
sho nuff
Footballguy
It may be what is best for the country that they do it that way. Maybe more will get done if the party is fractured a bit in the short term.
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
No way would I resign just so I can be charged with treason.Lin Wood @LLinWood
MUST BE DONE LIST before Congress meets today:
1. Mike Pence @vp @Mike_Pence must resign & thereafter be charged with TREASON.
2. Rod Rosenstein @RodRosenstein must be arrested & charged with being accessory to murder & TREASON.
3. Chief Justice John Roberts must RESIGN.
So, apparently in Q land, the story dropped last night that Pence and Rosnestein were in on the Seth Rich murder, and that they are part of the coup, where Pence would appoint Rosenstein as VP.
The General
Footballguy
Anyone know how long this is supposed to take?
Osaurus
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
I don't know...now if Wood "hereby" proclaimed it, it might have a bit more strength.
Ramsay Hunt Experience
Footballguy
Wait, so Governor Mike Pence and US Attorney for the District of Maryland Rod Rosenstein killed Seth Rich four days before Pence was named Trump’s running mate and months before Rosenstein became deputy AG?
timschochet
Footballguy
It actually makes sense. Neither man was as famous then as they are now, so they were able to do it without being recognized.
Lutherman2112
Footballguy
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Previous ceremonies took less than an hour. Today's hubbub will take longer than that, as there will be a minimum 2 hour recess to debate the objection(s).
shader
Footballguy
I have no idea how long it usually takes, but today's has the potential of being a very long session.
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
I didn't know that. Just, wow.Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
2Squirrels1Nut
Footballguy
They all met in the 80's while playing Donkey Kong at Comet Pizza.Ramsay Hunt Experience said:
Kiddnets
Footballguy
agreed - as an indy I really dont like all blue but if thats what it takes to stop this craziness..... it would go a long way toward centrists if they have second thoughts about their actions today....but I guess they are just going to burn the whole thing down.....
Amused to Death
Footballguy
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Sea Duck
Footballguy
Yeah, the statute says "No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of."
Republicans could object to all 51 states and drag the process out into next week, if not longer.
Debate rules
The structure of the Electoral Count Act's procedural provisions generally requires that any questions arising during the counting process be determined by the two houses acting separately, rather than by both houses together on the House floor. Section 5 (now 3 U.S.C. § 18) states that "the President of the Senate shall have power to preserve order; and no debate shall be allowed and no question shall be put by the presiding officer except to either House on a motion to withdraw." Section 6 (now 3 U.S.C. § 17) states that whenever the two Houses have separated "to decide upon an objection ... or other question arising in the matter," each Senator and Representative may "speak to such objection or question" for five minutes, and not more than once.[46] After the debate has lasted two hours, the presiding officer of each House must "put the main question without further debate."[46] Once the two houses have both voted, "they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted."
Procedures for joint session
Electoral votes are counted in a joint session of Congress, 2017
Under Section 4 (3 U.S.C. § 15), Congress is required to be in session on January 6 following the election to count the votes, although this date can be changed by law. Due to the 20th Amendment, the joint session is conducted by the new Congress whose term begins on January 3, rather than the outgoing lame-duck Congress. The Senate and House must meet in the House Chamber at "1 o'clock in the afternoon" on January 6, and the president of the Senate – the sitting vice president of the United States – is the presiding officer.[39] Section 7 (3 U.S.C. § 16) specifies the seating arrangements in the House chamber.[44]
Two tellers must be "previously appointed" by the Senate and two tellers by the House of Representatives. The president of the Senate must open all the "certificates" and "papers purporting to be certificates" of the electoral votes, and hand them to the four tellers as they are opened. The certificates and papers must be "opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A." The tellers, "having read the [papers] in the presence and hearing of the two Houses," must "make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the ... certificates."
If there are any objections to the returns from any state (see Substantive counting rules below), they must be resolved before the process can continue to the next state: "No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of."[39] This has only happened twice. The first time was in 1969, with an objection to a faithless voter in North Carolina.[4] The second was on January 6, 2005 with a formal challenge to Ohio's electoral votes, resulting in a vote — 1-74 (Yea-Nay) in the Senate and 31–267 in the House.
Role of the vice president
The Constitution instructs that electoral votes must be sent to the president of the Senate – who is the sitting vice president of the United States – and that the Senate president must "open all the certificates" in the presence of both houses.[19] However, the sitting vice president is sometimes a candidate for president in the election, is often a candidate for re-election to the vice presidency, and is almost always a partisan with a keen interest in the outcome. Recognizing this, one key purpose of the Electoral Count Act's procedural provisions is "to drain away as much power as possible from the Senate president, whom the [law] appoints to preside at the joint session when Congress counts the votes."[11]:634
As the custodian for papers, the Senate president is required by the Constitution to "open all the certificates,"[19] which the Act further describes as "all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates." As the presiding officer during the joint session, the Senate president must follow the Electoral Count Act's provisions governing debate and procedure, which are unusually specific (see above), ."[10]:652[11]:n.580 These provisions "seem designed to drain as much power as possible away from the Chair and give it to the two houses."
The structure of the Electoral Count Act's procedural provisions generally requires that any questions arising during the counting process be determined by the two houses acting separately, rather than by both houses together on the House floor. Section 5 (now 3 U.S.C. § 18) states that "the President of the Senate shall have power to preserve order; and no debate shall be allowed and no question shall be put by the presiding officer except to either House on a motion to withdraw." Section 6 (now 3 U.S.C. § 17) states that whenever the two Houses have separated "to decide upon an objection ... or other question arising in the matter," each Senator and Representative may "speak to such objection or question" for five minutes, and not more than once.[46] After the debate has lasted two hours, the presiding officer of each House must "put the main question without further debate."[46] Once the two houses have both voted, "they shall immediately again meet, and the presiding officer shall then announce the decision of the questions submitted."
Procedures for joint session
Electoral votes are counted in a joint session of Congress, 2017
Under Section 4 (3 U.S.C. § 15), Congress is required to be in session on January 6 following the election to count the votes, although this date can be changed by law. Due to the 20th Amendment, the joint session is conducted by the new Congress whose term begins on January 3, rather than the outgoing lame-duck Congress. The Senate and House must meet in the House Chamber at "1 o'clock in the afternoon" on January 6, and the president of the Senate – the sitting vice president of the United States – is the presiding officer.[39] Section 7 (3 U.S.C. § 16) specifies the seating arrangements in the House chamber.[44]
Two tellers must be "previously appointed" by the Senate and two tellers by the House of Representatives. The president of the Senate must open all the "certificates" and "papers purporting to be certificates" of the electoral votes, and hand them to the four tellers as they are opened. The certificates and papers must be "opened, presented, and acted upon in the alphabetical order of the States, beginning with the letter A." The tellers, "having read the [papers] in the presence and hearing of the two Houses," must "make a list of the votes as they shall appear from the ... certificates."
If there are any objections to the returns from any state (see Substantive counting rules below), they must be resolved before the process can continue to the next state: "No votes or papers from any other State shall be acted upon until the objections previously made to the votes or papers from any State shall have been finally disposed of."[39] This has only happened twice. The first time was in 1969, with an objection to a faithless voter in North Carolina.[4] The second was on January 6, 2005 with a formal challenge to Ohio's electoral votes, resulting in a vote — 1-74 (Yea-Nay) in the Senate and 31–267 in the House.
Role of the vice president
The Constitution instructs that electoral votes must be sent to the president of the Senate – who is the sitting vice president of the United States – and that the Senate president must "open all the certificates" in the presence of both houses.[19] However, the sitting vice president is sometimes a candidate for president in the election, is often a candidate for re-election to the vice presidency, and is almost always a partisan with a keen interest in the outcome. Recognizing this, one key purpose of the Electoral Count Act's procedural provisions is "to drain away as much power as possible from the Senate president, whom the [law] appoints to preside at the joint session when Congress counts the votes."[11]:634
As the custodian for papers, the Senate president is required by the Constitution to "open all the certificates,"[19] which the Act further describes as "all the certificates and papers purporting to be certificates." As the presiding officer during the joint session, the Senate president must follow the Electoral Count Act's provisions governing debate and procedure, which are unusually specific (see above), ."[10]:652[11]:n.580 These provisions "seem designed to drain as much power as possible away from the Chair and give it to the two houses."
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The General
Footballguy
Mike Pence versus The FlyRich Conway said:
apalmer
Footballguy
I'd love to see them object to Ohio and Florida and watch the Democrats say "Yeah, OK, we agree. Flip those states."
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snogger
Footballguy
Agreed
at the same time, I am SOOOOOOOOO looking forward to watching McConnel lose his power and become "Minority leader"
mcintyre1
Footballguy
Yeah, I'd like some clarification on that. Why did a direct quote from a rally speaker and subsequent video link of the quote get removed? None of it was off-topic, and I don't see the point in pretending it didn't happen.
It looks like there are 6 states they are planning on objecting to. Each State can have up to 2 hours debate. So it could easily go late into tonight.
Shatner!
Footballguy
The absolute worst is the Stone's song You Can't Always Get What You Want. He absolutely trolls hard with his music choices. Won't miss that.
Shatner!
Footballguy
Which will feed into a new nefarious narrative: the election was ratified by the Dems in the middle of the night! Shenanigans! :sigh:
Seth Cotlar@SethCotlar · 41m
“The lunatics are on the grass.” Ok, I’m starting think this DJ might be a brilliant, stealthy, deep state operative.
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Bobby Lewis @revrrlewis · 2h
Pete Hegseth talks to Trump rally-goers about why they think the election was stolen, as a recording plays Pink Floyd's "Brain Damage."
Video in link
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Pence needs to do a face turn and get some respect back.
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