The Z Machine
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Why were the people in this group (regardless of size) there? Who encouraged them to act in this way?jon_mx said:
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January 6th - what will happen? (3 Viewers)
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The General
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If there is a protest that turns into a riot you should be held responsible for doing things that are unlawful. Right? Lots of these chumps will get off with their little Trump sponsored party in the Capitol because they can’t track them down.
You would have to ask them. It seems some of these Proud Boys went there looking to fight. It irrellevant if they felt encourged by Trump. Every court is saying that is not a legsl defense.
The Z Machine
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No. I 100 percent know that the left has done more to instigate the race riot leading to far more destruction and death, but yet i would not criminalize them because i value freedom and free speech.
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the rover
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squistion
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https://lawandcrime.com/u-s-capitol-siege/feds-say-trump-supporter-who-dressed-like-antifa-on-jan-6-so-he-could-get-away-with-anything-is-now-in-jail/
Feds Say Trump Supporter Who Dressed ‘Like Antifa’ on Jan. 6 So He Could ‘Get Away with Anything’ Is Now In Jail
According court papers on file in the District of Columbia, federal agents caught up with William Robert Norwood III, 37, after his relatives failed to share in his exploits and ratted him out.
Ten days after the deadly events at the Capitol, a relative referred to only as “J.D.” told the FBI that another relative, “T.D.,” had a brother (Norwood) who “claimed to have assaulted federal officers.” on Jan. 6th.
FBI agents met J.D. to get more of the story. J.D. said that he or she was at dinner with T.D. when he or she learned the information.
The next day, agents met with T.D.; T.D. gave them Norwood’s phone number and copies of text messages from Norwood which prosecutors cited in court papers.
“I’m dressing in all black. I’ll look just like ANTIFA,” Norwood is alleged to have texted a small group on Jan. 5th, one day before the Capitol siege. “I’ll get away with anything,” he then added.
“It worked,” he said on Jan. 7th. “I got away with things that others were shot or arrested for.”
“I tested a theory. I was right. I saw ANTIFA being bussed in and escorted by the police,” he dubiously claimed. “Trump has announced he [w]ill leave in a peaceful way on Jan. 20th. It[‘]s not right on so many levels[] that this fraudulent election could not be investigated to the fullest.”
Federal authorities have said there’s been no evidence to date that Antifa was involved in the evens of Jan. 6.
Feds Say Trump Supporter Who Dressed ‘Like Antifa’ on Jan. 6 So He Could ‘Get Away with Anything’ Is Now In Jail
According court papers on file in the District of Columbia, federal agents caught up with William Robert Norwood III, 37, after his relatives failed to share in his exploits and ratted him out.
Ten days after the deadly events at the Capitol, a relative referred to only as “J.D.” told the FBI that another relative, “T.D.,” had a brother (Norwood) who “claimed to have assaulted federal officers.” on Jan. 6th.
FBI agents met J.D. to get more of the story. J.D. said that he or she was at dinner with T.D. when he or she learned the information.
The next day, agents met with T.D.; T.D. gave them Norwood’s phone number and copies of text messages from Norwood which prosecutors cited in court papers.
“I’m dressing in all black. I’ll look just like ANTIFA,” Norwood is alleged to have texted a small group on Jan. 5th, one day before the Capitol siege. “I’ll get away with anything,” he then added.
“It worked,” he said on Jan. 7th. “I got away with things that others were shot or arrested for.”
“I tested a theory. I was right. I saw ANTIFA being bussed in and escorted by the police,” he dubiously claimed. “Trump has announced he [w]ill leave in a peaceful way on Jan. 20th. It[‘]s not right on so many levels[] that this fraudulent election could not be investigated to the fullest.”
Federal authorities have said there’s been no evidence to date that Antifa was involved in the evens of Jan. 6.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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Proud Boys have been looking for a fight all summer long before the election and they were chattering aboug violence at the Capitol a month prior. If anything it shows Trump's speech and election rhetotic did zero to incite them.
parasaurolophus
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Those excuses must have been used quite a bit, and quite effectively. There were 512 arrests in Minneapolis for the looting right after floyd's death. 10 weeks later they still hadn't charged anybody for looting.
It gets harder to decipher after the third week of august how many people were charged since there was another big round of looting and violence and they did actually charge people then, but I find it difficult to believe that after ten weeks they started charging too many people from the first batch of arrests.
dawgtrails
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
To be clear, I'm ok with law enforcement distinguishing between protestors and trespassers or thieves and instigators or arsonists. I think it's a good thing that 100s of people and not 10,000s of people have been arrested for 1/6. Law enforcement should make those calls.
My point was that jon didn't believe in that, at all, until people who believe the same things he does tried to overthrow an election by storming the Capitol while Congress was in session to confirm the electoral college.
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What do i believe? I am not a Trump supporter nor do i believe Trump claims. There is also no evidrnce that the vast majority had any intentions of doing anything except protest outside that group of Proud Boys and a few others. There are numerous people arrested who peacefully entered the Capitol and walked right past enterences which were manned by security. Non-violent protestors should not have the book thrown at them simply for entering. Those who are known to have actually plotted or acted violently should. So i have no idea what you think i believe which is different than you outlined. What i see are known looters on one hand were let off and peaceful protesters are being prosecuted.
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sho nuff
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If you go through empty security checkpoints and downed fences and broken glass and whatever to enter the capitol...yes, you should be charged with a crime. You knowingly acted illegally to do so. It has nothing to do with BLM or what happened this summer. If they did the same, yes, they should be arrested as well.
Why there are likely more arrests now...uncovered faces, a ton of video, as well as evidence they posted themselves on social media. Also, despite the attempts to minimize that day, whether they were just along for the ride or not, they were in the midst of what is accurately described as an attempted insurrection on the seat of our federal government.
Why there are likely more arrests now...uncovered faces, a ton of video, as well as evidence they posted themselves on social media. Also, despite the attempts to minimize that day, whether they were just along for the ride or not, they were in the midst of what is accurately described as an attempted insurrection on the seat of our federal government.
massraider
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https://twitter.com/twfisher1/status/1366996420088238081
Video of what this peaceful protest looked like.
Estimates of 10000 people there. 9200 who didn't storm the Capitol aren't being charged. Most of the 800 people who were inside the Capitol have NOT been charged. All were allowed to just leave the building after attacking police, smashing windows, stealing computers and documents from lawmakers.
It's weird to see BLM is brought into this thread, and really weird to find that every person at a BLM protest acted with a single purpose, but each person inside the Capitol on January 6 deserves the benefit of the doubt regarding their motives.
I mean, that's really odd.
Video of what this peaceful protest looked like.
Estimates of 10000 people there. 9200 who didn't storm the Capitol aren't being charged. Most of the 800 people who were inside the Capitol have NOT been charged. All were allowed to just leave the building after attacking police, smashing windows, stealing computers and documents from lawmakers.
It's weird to see BLM is brought into this thread, and really weird to find that every person at a BLM protest acted with a single purpose, but each person inside the Capitol on January 6 deserves the benefit of the doubt regarding their motives.
I mean, that's really odd.
FairWarning
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They were getting tracked down with the location services on their phones also. How many really are dumb enough to take selfies inside the White House in a riot situation?sho nuff said:
FairWarning
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2021/03/what_we_know_and_dont_know_about_the_events_of_january_6th.html
Great article. Puts things is perspective
Great article. Puts things is perspective
The Commish
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sho nuff
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knowledge dropper
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sho nuff
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I did...it is nowhere near a great article and didn't really say much fact that was unknown.
Its the typical extreme right biased piece that complains about the media, the FBI, democrats and so on. Expected from a source as bad as the American Thinker. Seriously, find better sources...continuing to just peruse the far right side is not a way to stay actually informed.
Quotes like that are not excellent (or really true). Those who illegally entered the capitol, beat police, threatened lawmakers...they are called domestic terrorists and insurrectionists...because it is what they are. And yes, it was an attempted insurrection no matter how hard the author wants to claim it wasn't.
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knowledge dropper
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What kind of “insurrection” is it when they just get up and leave and force no demands?
It is pretty low-hanging fruit. Take this quote "All were allowed to just leave the building after attacking police, smashing windows, stealing computers and documents from lawmakers."Oh, this challenge will ABSOLUTELY be accepted
All 800 were certainly not attacking police, smashing windows, stealing computers and documents from lawmakers. There were a handful of windows broker and maybe a couple laptops. The characterization is false like so much of the narrative and rhetoric surrounding that day.
sho nuff
Footballguy
A failed one. As I stated. The claim that it wasn't planned...seems to go against the other excuse that Trump could not have incited it because there was planning by some for months about it.
There were plans...there were pipe bombs planted in places...people were chanting to go after certain people. it was an attempt to stop the certification of the electors. It failed. That does not make it any less of an attempt. So him trying to play semantics with the wording (as others have done) to minimize what happened that day is sad. It was yet another biased piece, but that is what is expected when you read from unreliable sources like that.
You conflate way too much. Just because there was a plan for a handful of instigators does not make it a well organized armed coup attempt planned by the protestors. The back peddling of what was reported that day and what we are learning actually happened. There is a gross difference between the hysteria and the facts.
Dinsy Ejotuz
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FairWarning
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There is the right side of the media, the left side of the media - and the videos. I’ll trust my eyes on this one. It was a awful look.
FairWarning
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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knowledge dropper
Footballguy
His false narrative and continued attempt to silence any thoughts contrary to his preconceived notions is ridiculous.
dawgtrails
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The only ridiculous thing in here is some people's continual desire to downplay this whole thing as no big deal
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massraider
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You are correct, not all 800 broke windows.
I'm sure BLM protestors appreciate your vigilance in weeding out the few bad actors among the group of peaceful protestors. I only hope more people could do the same.
It's that kind of false characterization that allows people to refer to these groups as terrorist organizations.
Rich Conway
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It's no big deal. And the only reason it happened at all is because law enforcement wasn't properly prepared for the big deal it became.
massraider
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Rich Conway
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Definitely behind the Revolutionary War. Although, I'm going to need to see the scoring system and lineup requirements before I know which to draft first.
dozer
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The Commish
Footballguy
It wasn't a big deal...remember 99.99% of the people were peaceful. It was only 10ish that weren't according to that math and the account that there were approx 10K people there that day. And comparing it to BLM protests across the country where 10s of millions protested seems like the logical comparison for "the sides". I'm trying to find where the 10s of thousands have been arrested (assuming the 99.99% number in the interest of fairness) and charged. Those haven't hit the international news outlets yet. I assume I'll be waiting for a bit on that one.
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sho nuff
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What about my narrative was false? I am not trying to silence any thought...but I am allowed to criticize crappy sources for being crappy sources. And you brought one and proclaimed it a great article. I articulated at least a few reasons it was not a great one...and you have failed to articulate anything other than to now criticize me along with another poster who knows I won't respond to him.
Preconceived notions? No, my notions are based on the facts of the day and what happened. And how it looked...and what the point of it all was.
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
There was no attempt to overthrow the government. They did not fire a shot. It was an angry mob that broke away from a peaceful gathering. The article accurately points out there were left wing wackos also in the crowd influencing the mob. That cannot be denied unless they doctored their own video CNN paid them to take. The mob left within hours and has never returned.
sho nuff
Footballguy
This here is a false narrative laying these assertions to me. I did not claim overthrow the government, or shots fired. I stated it was an attempted insurrection. It was.
The article doesn't accurately point out much of anything. Also, stating there were left wing wackos also in the crowd influencing the mob has been disputed by the FBI.
But again...none of this was my narrative. So when you claim my narrative was false..and you then proceed to list out a bunch of things I didn't say, you are not making a very good case for your post. Seems your post was just to take a shot at me and doing so based on bias alone. Not based on anything I actually said.
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