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What are your thoughts on the Covid-19 Stimulus Relief Bill? (1 Viewer)
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Just hope my applebees coupon comes soon.
tri-man 47
Footballguy
It's a fundamentally flawed process. From a quick look at the 5,600 page document, I see it's organized by Federal Department. So each Department identifies its needs (= wants). It's a top-down approach. The better approach - one based on service/stewardship/compassion - would have identified the primary needs of the people and worked up from there. Start with unemployment support and small business assistance. Lay out the needs, then set priorities and funding. Maybe even set a funding cap ($500B?) and see how far it goes.
Do we need $2.5 billion for the Space Force, or could that have gone to help those struggling with rent and utilities? Etc., etc., etc. It's so disheartening to look through that document.
Do we need $2.5 billion for the Space Force, or could that have gone to help those struggling with rent and utilities? Etc., etc., etc. It's so disheartening to look through that document.
The Commish
Footballguy
1200 wasnt enough....why do we think 600 will be acceptable?
This does nothing to instill confidence which is the most important factor in getting us out of this. Baffling that thus is still lost on most
This does nothing to instill confidence which is the most important factor in getting us out of this. Baffling that thus is still lost on most
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Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Original floater was zero. They were in such a hurry they forgot about most of the country.
I myself plan on spending my 600 on ice cream cakes.
The Commish
Footballguy
I think it was part of a larger spending bill. They couldn't be bothered to do the right thing and focus just on this particular situation.
timschochet
Footballguy
We have two political parties with fundamentally different ideas about the role of government in an emergency such as this one. Given that disagreement this was probably the best result we could have achieved.
BigJim®
Footballguy
This may not be a popular question. In fact, I'm pretty sure it will not be well received. I'll ask anyway. Do you find it beyond debate that 'the right thing' is for our grandkids to pay for the ineptitude of our generation's managing through covid, and its not the right thing for our generation to shoulder full consequences?
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
The Commish
Footballguy
COVID is but one of the many things our grandkids are going to have to pay for unfortunately. There isn't enough money in the world for us to fix that in our generation, so while I understand where you're going (I think) I'm not sure that's the right question. COVID will end up being a drop in the bucket compared to some of the other things IMO. All those temp tax breaks to the rich and permanent ones to businesses have pretty much destroyed us and set us up in the "too big to fail" cycle. Yeah, we had temporarily put the train on a different track just an administration before, but it's back on that old track again. It's not going to end well.
HellToupee
Footballguy
The $2.5 trillion bill, which combines $900 billion of coronavirus relief with $1.4 trillion in spending, includes 10 million taxpayer dollars going to “gender programs” and $15 million for “democracy programs” in Pakistan.
25 mil to Pakistan
25 mil to Pakistan
Insein
Footballguy
They're apparently not so different. Spend as much money on everything except helping the people who have been suffering.
Insein
Footballguy
This is a fundamentally flawed question when they're doing both. Our grandkids money is being stolen AND we're all shouldering the full consequences. We've just had one of the biggest spending bills in the history of our country and very little of it had anything to do with Covid-19 let alone relief for it.
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Insein
Footballguy
The train has been on the same track for decades. Not sure what you considered getting on the right track? The spending has never stopped.
Insein
Footballguy
I can't answer yet. I'm only on page 3,267.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Yup...just as confirming another SC justice was more important prior to the election.
Insein
Footballguy
The seat was open in late September. Not sure how that stopped them from getting something together in the previous 6 months before that.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Why is any type of huge bill always filled with pork?
Obamacare had 13,000 pages, stuff for runways at airports that nobody goes to. Who can read and dissect 13,000 pages??
This has God knows what in 5000..who can read and dissect 5000 pages for what should be a very simple bill??
Obamacare had 13,000 pages, stuff for runways at airports that nobody goes to. Who can read and dissect 13,000 pages??
This has God knows what in 5000..who can read and dissect 5000 pages for what should be a very simple bill??
BigJim®
Footballguy
I'm with you 100%. The reason I ask is I think our generation, perhaps more than others, is sort of inseparable from the teet. I look at covid as one of many examples of our generation making poor decisions and being bailed out. Dovetailing your point, I think re-allocation of that 3T corporate gift would be a better way to fund relief. Big business doesn't want the economy upside down? Ok, contribute your windfall. I also think raising taxes to our generation is completely reasonable. You want to go maskless because it is your right as an American? Ok here's the cost of that freedom. The thought of expecting good future decisions in a consequence-less (or consequence reduced) society is a little frightening. We seem to not get that this is not our money.
Insein
Footballguy
Because an appointment is pretty easy. Name a person. Go over their credentials. Vote on it. Helps when the person is highly qualified. No couple thousand extra pages of spending for each politicians pet project to deliberate for hours on end as to why it's "necessary". It's pretty much the low hanging fruit of things they can get done.
Insein
Footballguy
A majority of Americans have been wearing masks. Many have had to lose their jobs and livelihoods to lockdowns as well all in the misguided pursuit of "slowing the spread." Has it helped? Why are we then forced to pay more for the failures of government?
Insein
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
They voted for the pork bill. Pretty apparent. Different color same flavor. Again this isn't a Left or Right issue. This is Rich vs Poor. Elite vs Peasants. Haves vs Have nots.Republicans all about socialism now!
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Trump's finally using his "lame duck" status for the good of average Americans. Of course, Congress can just wait him out and deal with Biden....but good effort, Trump.
Insein
Footballguy
That's what sucks. Yes he can postpone this atrocity but the version that comes January 21st will be twice as bad for the American people and the R's have shown they are willing to go along with whatever since they voted yes on 5500 pages of pure garbage.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I am enjoying the outrage at the ridiculous spending we engage in every single year.
In any other year gender programs in pakistan would get their money without anybody even noticing.
But now everybody is comparing it to 600 bucks. Hopefully people will pay this much attn next year too.
In any other year gender programs in pakistan would get their money without anybody even noticing.
But now everybody is comparing it to 600 bucks. Hopefully people will pay this much attn next year too.
Insein
Footballguy
In that way it is a blessing. This has happened for years but since the regular people see it affecting their money, they will speak up. Not sure it amounts to much in the long run but one can hope the anger and frustration everyone is feeling manifests into meaningful change.
urbanhack
Fight The Power!
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Unless he's gotten wind that Biden is pushing for something even bigger when he gets in and he wants to undercut him for the legacy.
I don't think there's many on either side of the aisle approves of (at the least) all the international money going out.
Insein
Footballguy
They voted on it. Mainly because they had to decide in 4 hours and we're worried it looked bad if they went against a "Covid relief bill". Doesn't mean they won't do it again.
Doug B
Footballguy
Biden has said exactly this publicly—no need to hear about it through back channels. Let me see if I can post a link.
EDIT: https://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/22/stimulus-checks-biden-to-push-for-more-payments-in-next-covid-plan.html
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AAABatteries
Footballguy
I’m taking this post at face value and if this is the case then good for him. It’s not much better but what was passed is ridiculous.
Granted, how many weeks for them to tweak it?
Don’t have a lot of sympathy for people buying houses they can’t afford and inflating the prices so regular people can’t afford to buy a home to live in. Real estate investing is a risk, deal with the consequences.
timschochet
Footballguy
It’s not good at all. Trump could have insisted on this months ago. He has taken no part in the negotiations. If he had, he would have known that it’s Republicans that opposed the larger amounts. It would be disastrous for this Bill to fail.
timschochet
Footballguy
This is simplistic. It’s a populist idea (and it’s why populism is so awful.) The public is NEVER for foreign aid. That’s why it needs to always be attached to more popular bills. Because foreign aid is absolutely necessary.
shader
Footballguy
Pelosi immediately agrees.
Her words while retweeting Trump
“Republicans repeatedly refused to say what amount the President wanted for direct checks. At last, the President has agreed to $2,000 — Democrats are ready to bring this to the Floor this week by unanimous consent. Let’s do it!“
Her words while retweeting Trump
“Republicans repeatedly refused to say what amount the President wanted for direct checks. At last, the President has agreed to $2,000 — Democrats are ready to bring this to the Floor this week by unanimous consent. Let’s do it!“
timschochet
Footballguy
Pelosi: Democrats will agree to $2000 immediately.
Of course they will. It’s Republicans that won’t agree. Trump looks ridiculous here again. It was his own staff and Mnuchin that negotiated the amount down.
Of course they will. It’s Republicans that won’t agree. Trump looks ridiculous here again. It was his own staff and Mnuchin that negotiated the amount down.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Look, we know Trump is incompetent but if he can get this done then it’s easily one of the best things he’s done in four years. Sure, he deserves ridicule for a million other things but let’s count small blessings.
