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Sea Duck

I'm just glad that Ryan Fitzpatrick isn't alive to see this.

IvanKaramazov

But have you seen how well-maintained his teeth are?  You can't take a guy like that out of the game.

Desert_Power

He's a rookie QB behind a rookie O line and he's struggling against one of the hottest teams in the NFL. Better draft his replacement ASAP.

Sea Duck

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If there's any justice in this world -- yes, I know that's overly dramatic, but hear me out -- if there's any damn justice in this NFL world, the Colts will lose and Ryan Fitzpatrick will start a playoff game next week.

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Just now, oswizzle said:

Tua = Josh Rosen 2.0

Tua has better pocket presence and accuracy. His stats are better than Allen's stats during his first year. Allen made a big jump in year 2 and a quantum jump in year 3. The Dophin's need to decide if Tua is likely to make a jump next year, or draft either Wilson or Fields. 

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2 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Damn.  In this thread alone Tua has been compared to Rosen and not just Chad Pennington but post-injury Chad Pennington.  Tough crowd.

He's a rookie QB behind a rookie O line and he's struggling against one of the hottest teams in the NFL. Better draft his replacement ASAP.

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Just now, SoBeDad said:

Tua has better pocket presence and accuracy. His stats are better than Allen's stats during his first year. Allen made a big jump in year 2 and a quantum jump in year 3. The Dophin's need to decide if Tua is likely to make a jump next year, or draft either Wilson or Fields. 

I still think there's some coaching to be blamed here. Tua was never a dink and dunker, so who is building the offense this way?

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5 minutes ago, The Duff Man said:

I will be scared as hell if Norman ends up having to play many snaps in the playoffs. 

This goes without saying, but I'm way more concerned with seeing Barkley in the playoffs.  The Bills really neglected the backup QB position considering how deep the rest of the roster is, IMO.

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7 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Damn.  In this thread alone Tua has been compared to Rosen and not just Chad Pennington but post-injury Chad Pennington.  Tough crowd.

Chad Pennington at his worst, while injured, could outplay Tua today.

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5 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

This goes without saying, but I'm way more concerned with seeing Barkley in the playoffs.  The Bills really neglected the backup QB position considering how deep the rest of the roster is, IMO.

The really good backups are expensive. Cam might be cheap in 2021.

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Bowden off his hands, such a playmaker that kid...off his rookie hands and into Buffalo's 

Juts an embarrassment today

To be fair to Bowden, that was a poor throw.  Tua hasn't been as bad as this thread makes it sound, but that was not a good throw.

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Antonio Williams is looking like a carbon copy of Moss.

Hard to gauge against a Miami team that seems to have given up, but he looks more physical and maybe a tad quicker in tight space.

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28 minutes ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Damn.  In this thread alone Tua has been compared to Rosen and not just Chad Pennington but post-injury Chad Pennington.  Tough crowd.

Those comparisons may be generous. 

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31 minutes ago, Sea Duck said:

If there's any justice in this world -- yes, I know that's overly dramatic, but hear me out -- if there's any damn justice in this NFL world, the Colts will lose and Ryan Fitzpatrick will start a playoff game next week.

I would hope that’s the case, and the Phins deserve to get in with the season they’ve had. But what indication do you have that Flores would go that way? Time and again he’s gone with Tua at the detriment of his team. He wasn’t even going to get the call this week if avalaible.

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2 minutes ago, oswizzle said:

Tua Tua Tua......Zoinks~!

Miami needs to draft or sign competition at QB. Tua had 2 INTs coming into this game, 3 today although the slant to Parker wasn't his fault. Maybe he get's stronger next year - some throwing strength comes from your legs. But he hasn't done enough for me to be  convinced that he's the franchise. 

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I think folks in this thread are WAY too eager to give up on a rookie who has only started a handful of games, but I do think the decision to name him the starter should cost Flores any shot of HC of the year. (And I really like Flores.)

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Steelers 2 point attempt fails with 1:23 left.  Looks like Cleveland will hang on.

Edit: Oh my lord Cleveland almost gave the ball right back on the onside kick.

Edit 2: Cleveland wins.

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5 minutes ago, zed2283 said:

If I were the Dolphins coaching staff, I'd have been awarding bounties the last 12 minutes of the game.  But I'm like that.  Up 30 and throwing every play.

This is some weak Gregg Williams nonsense. In these situations it’s on the other team to show some heart and make a stop. This isn’t pee wee soccer, there is no mercy rule. Bottom line is the Phins didn’t show up to play today. That’s on the coach and the team. And yeah, Tua handicapped them for sure, but the coach got himself into this mess to begin with by stubbornly sticking with Tua all season when everyone could see Fitz was the better option. They’ve got nobody to blame but themselves.

The one silver lining is they can now see Tua might not be the answer and they can address this in the draft if needed. 

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2 hours ago, Johnny Utah #9 said:

This is some weak Gregg Williams nonsense. In these situations it’s on the other team to show some heart and make a stop. This isn’t pee wee soccer, there is no mercy rule. Bottom line is the Phins didn’t show up to play today. That’s on the coach and the team. And yeah, Tua handicapped them for sure, but the coach got himself into this mess to begin with by stubbornly sticking with Tua all season when everyone could see Fitz was the better option. They’ve got nobody to blame but themselves.

The one silver lining is they can now see Tua might not be the answer and they can address this in the draft if needed. 

I don't disagree but I'm hitting Barkley late on every throw until he tells coach to stop calling that #### :shrug:

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