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It’s one less roster spot and money not spent on the D. While it makes sense as a vet/depth piece. It doesn’t address the most glaring need on the team. The defense.
Snead shows how little faith the Raiders have in Ruggs and Edwards. The Raiders still need the big WR that can move the chains.
If it is bargain basement then I am ok with it. If we spent any amount of real money on him, I will be pissed.
Guessing Snead's deal contains zero guaranteed money like Riddick's. That means neither guy is locked into a roster spot and could be beat out by a rookie or another signing.
It is a virtual lock that five QBs will be taken before we pick at 17, most likely in the top 10. I've seen some people say Devonta Smith will make it to 17, but I can't see that at all and Smith, Chase and Pitts will all go before 17 also. Sewell will be a top 10 pick.
I agree, but he’s also not as bad as his stats look in Baltimore. That team just doesn’t throw much & it’s not like LJax makes 3-4 reads. He makes 1, maybe 2 then takes off running. Not knocking the dude, just sayin it’s hard for a WR to pad their stats in Baltimore.
Agree with your thinking. I don’t see any standout edge rushers. One will probably emerge eventually but there is no need to reach to find that guy. DT or O line should be the easy pick. Barmore could be the pick and I wouldn’t complain. Chad may go into shock.
Yeah, there are no Chase Young or Kahlil Mack types in this year's draft. If there were, they'd be gone by #17 anyway. But the good news is the edge class seems to be pretty deep. The players being projected to go in the first round have a lot of questions and I'd hope the Raiders wait until later in the draft to address that need.
Holland would be a great pick if he lasts that long. Theres been some chatter about him going late 1st round.
As long as Gruden doesn’t go WR in the first. The Raiders had their chance at the WR 1 last season and still need one but the o line and d lines must be addressed. I like your thinking about going DT in the second round too.Bruno2 said:
PFF ranking of the positions overall. Loads of OT for us.
I'm definitely looking at this situation with rose-colored dynasty glasses, but it actually seems like these moves are showing a great deal of confidence in Edwards to be that guy (probably too much). If they make a big trade or go back to the draft early for a big possession WR, then I completely agree, time for me to cut bait. Otherwise, it has me thinking that maybe there was something to the training camp hype and maybe he was hobbled for most of the regular season.DocHolliday said:
I mostly agree with this. Whether it's faith or just hope, not going hard for Golladay or JuJu or any of the other top FA WRs tells me they are looking for a big leap from Ruggs and Edwards. John Brown and Snead are hedges and they had to sign a couple guys to fill out the WR room.
Golladay and JuJu are far from true WR 1 WRs. Golladay has health concerns. JuJu is good but not great and may be more about him than the team. I’m glad LV passed on both.
Well thought out post and I agree, you're putting too much confidence in Edwards.
He didn't show much at all last year. At least not what I'd expect for a third rounder with all that hype. Maybe the game slows down for him this year. Maybe a full-round of OTAs and a full training camp will help things click for him (and Ruggs) this year. But he looked pretty lost out there last year to the tune of 11-200-1. If he tripled those numbers those numbers this year, I'd be very surprised. I think he can come somewhere between double and tripling. 25-400-3?
If you think Golladay is far from a #1 WR you have very high standards and must only view a handful of guys as true #1 WRs.
Yes, Edwards did not show much, but I wouldn't expect much from a third round rookie WR with last year's offseason issues and who was hurt a good portion of the season.Well thought out post and I agree, you're putting too much confidence in Edwards.
Good point. I remember thinking at the time "wait a minute, that's all we got?"After the Fins-9ers deal, some blogger made a comparison of that deal to the 2013 Raiders-Fins deal.
In this most recent deal the Fins went from 3 to 12 and got an additional 3 and 2 1s.
In 2013, the Raiders went from 3 to 12 and got an additional 2.
The blogger pointed out there's a quarterback involved in this recent deal which increased the Fins haul but it's obvious Reggie go hosed.
Do yourself a favor and don't do what I just did. In the past 25 years 2014 was probably the best draft class they've had. And Charles Woodson is definitely their best 1st round pick in that time frame all the way back in 1998. So if we really want to understand how the Raiders got where they are today. The Davis's, Reggie and Gruden should all share blame for this run of horrible drafts and ineptitude for so many years.After the Fins-9ers deal, some blogger made a comparison of that deal to the 2013 Raiders-Fins deal.
In this most recent deal the Fins went from 3 to 12 and got an additional 3 and 2 1s.
In 2013, the Raiders went from 3 to 12 and got an additional 2.
The blogger pointed out there's a quarterback involved in this recent deal which increased the Fins haul but it's obvious Reggie go hosed.
So, if you had to pick one or the other to make your draft picks, would you choose Reggie or Gruden? The answer obviously is neither. Gruden, I guess, has been better than Reggie during his their respective time with the Raiders. But his overall track record is dreck.
Reggie got em Carr, Mack and Cooper in five years. Granted, the last two fell into his lap, Mack especially, but he still got em.
Gruden has got em Miller and Jacobs in the draft and Waller in free agency in three years. And an argument could be made he wouldn't have gotten Jacobs if not for Reggie getting Mack.
Hopefully with 8 more picks this year, Gruden will come up with a version closer to the 2019 haul than 2020.
Snead isn't a burner. He is a 4.5 guy.
That blogger has about as bad a take as you can find.After the Fins-9ers deal, some blogger made a comparison of that deal to the 2013 Raiders-Fins deal.
In this most recent deal the Fins went from 3 to 12 and got an additional 3 and 2 1s.
In 2013, the Raiders went from 3 to 12 and got an additional 2.
The blogger pointed out there's a quarterback involved in this recent deal which increased the Fins haul but it's obvious Reggie go hosed.
Context is important and it does make a difference that the Dolphins were not trading up for a QB in 2013, but only getting a second round pick to move from 3 to 12 is bad. I doubt you will be able to find another trade of a team moving from outside the top 10 to inside the top 5 for so little.
It was a bad deal, but it's bad enough on it's own, one doesn't need to make an unfair comparison in order to make the point. To me, the thought is, "Crap year to be trying to trade down, but shoulda got more than that...."
And that these 4 QB's seem to be rated qbove many years top QB. You can only sell what someone wants to buy.
Good take.
I think Brown is more than insurance for Ruggs but yea, he can fill the role Agholar did if Ruggs isn't playing at the level he needs or injured. Even if Ruggs is playing like we want, Brown will see the field a good amount. They want that speed on the field.
I wasn’t very clear. Golladay has a ton of talent but last years injury is concerning. He was hurt going into the season and never healed through the season. Not worth the risk to me.
I hear ya. I think just as concerning with him was the mystery surrounding the injury and that he was never placed on IR. Have to wonder if he could have played, but chose not to with his free agency on the horizon.
Yep. I may be extra jaded since I drafted him last season but the situation made me hope Gruden stayed away. Lingering injury for the duration of the season is one thing. Choosing not to play while getting paid knowing he is going to hit FA is even worse. The Raiders are not a good team that can overcome those types of players.
I expect a slight increase. In the neighborhood of 60-70 receptions for 700 and 5-6 TD's assuming a full healthy year.
I'm really hoping the situation you described plus some minor character concerns causes Micah Parsons to fall. The defense needs a playmaker at LB who can cover and also pass rush when needed. I'd also be ok with Zaven Collins, JOK and Nick Bolton. Throw in DT Christian Barmore as well.Man, if you think that 5 QBs are going to go before us, and that Chase and Pitts are in a very small bin by themselves, the difference in talent at #17 won't be very different than say, #9.
Sewell, Pitts Chase will be gone early, then, who we really missing out on? There's a reason why we aren't relentlessly wondering if Player X or Player Y might fall. Because there's a group there, but we aren't hearing about 3 or 4 guys that are the best one left. There's a like a group of 10-15 that have about the same buzz right now.
If we were at 10, we'd be talking about Pitts a ton. because maaaybe this guy will fall a spot or two.
But no one in here is praying that Kwity Paye slips to us.
Just an observation really. This thread is probably the most laid back this year about who we may take.
I see him staying around the same. Snead will play in the slot too, taking some of his opportunities.Boston said:
I really need to get on the ball with my draft prep.... this was like trying to read Chinese to me.massraider said:Man, if you think that 5 QBs are going to go before us, and that Chase and Pitts are in a very small bin by themselves, the difference in talent at #17 won't be very different than say, #9.
Sewell, Pitts Chase will be gone early, then, who we really missing out on? There's a reason why we aren't relentlessly wondering if Player X or Player Y might fall. Because there's a group there, but we aren't hearing about 3 or 4 guys that are the best one left. There's a like a group of 10-15 that have about the same buzz right now.
If we were at 10, we'd be talking about Pitts a ton. because maaaybe this guy will fall a spot or two.
But no one in here is praying that Kwity Paye slips to us.
Just an observation really. This thread is probably the most laid back this year about who we may take.
Really.... how often do you really know what a team will do in a draft besides maybe the first couple of picks. Even if you think you know what a team will do.... once things go, everything is thrown out the door.... “Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the mouth.” with surprise picks, trades, etc.Bruno2 said:
Geez, I think I may be under valuing Snead. All of you seem to hold him in higher esteem than me.
