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9 minutes ago, LawFitz said:

So much whining about draft classes in here. The 2019 class was poor?

Ferrell

Jacobs

Abram

Mullen

Crosby

Johnson

Moreau

Renfrow

Q. Bell

All of these players, even Bell has shown enough to be far from a bust at this point. Several (all?) still have significant upside, considering, I dunno... Their first two seasons included their rookie year and a Covid year!

I too get down on the Raiders often. But I am not even close to down on this class.

the jury is still out on ferrell and mullen(both reaches)  the rest of the draft is damn good.

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2 hours ago, DocHolliday said:

He was a bust but it was a good, logical pick.  We expected him to work out.  We knew Ferrell, Annette and Ruggs were the wrong pick immediately.    We don’t expect them to work out.  

I don't care who thinks what... a good pick is a player that performs. A bad pick is one who doesn't. 

If the Pats picked Tom Brady in the 1st round, people would have gone ape poo crazy about how bad of a pick it would have been but it would have been a great 1st round pick (even when Bledsoe was still there and seen as an good QB). It would have been illogical but it would have been a great pick. 

Anyone taken that sucks is a bad pick. I don't care how many people agree with it or think kt was the logical pick. 

If a players performs, I don't care how much of a "reach" it was or illogical, it is a good pick. 

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6 minutes ago, DA RAIDERS said:

the jury is still out on ferrell and mullen(both reaches)  the rest of the draft is damn good.

The jury isn't out in Ferrell or Mullen. 

Ferrell is ranked about 14 or 15th best DE in the league by PFF. He doesn't rack up.the sexy sacks but he is disruptive getting pressures etc and does everything else very well. 

Mullen is a starting CB and has shown he deserves to be. 

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11 minutes ago, Chadstroma said:

The jury isn't out in Ferrell or Mullen. 

Ferrell is ranked about 14 or 15th best DE in the league by PFF. He doesn't rack up.the sexy sacks but he is disruptive getting pressures etc and does everything else very well. 

Mullen is a starting CB and has shown he deserves to be. 

i am talking about justifying draft position.  nothing else.  they are both solid, to good players.  they were both taken "early".  so for me, the jury is still out.

eta:  if a player is taken "early", they have to live up to that draft position.  if jax takes mac jones, he best be better than Lawrence.  and he'll always be compared to him.  it is what it is,  :shrug:  

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9 hours ago, Chadstroma said:

I disagree with this thinking, which is my point about the Madden/Fantasy Football or whatever comments. You can't just take a guy from team A with 100 tackles and 10 sacks and plug them into team B and expect those same 100 tackles and 10 sacks. If it were, Free Agency would always be the better route to go than drafting but the consistently successful teams focus on the draft and are careful in FA. They also draft to their team and not just the 'top rated player' from whoever. This is exactly why I say "BPA for scheme" and the fit is probably more than just scheme but that is an easy way to say it. There is no doubt in my mind, for example, that if Murray or Queen were drafted, they would have looked like busts last year. They would have been as lost and confused as almost every other defender we had. 

Oooh, I’ll play. I think your take is mostly correct. The exceptions are generational players. Rather than focusing on specific names, what gives you any confidence that Gruden/Mayock are capable of execution a draft BPA for scheme strategy?

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Not too many teams have good history drafting well after the 1st round, but the Raiders have the worst history, over the last 20 years or so, of 1st rounders.  Of any team, in the NFL.

We are ranked 32 out of 32.  

I just saw this somewhere, I forget, and didn't even read it, because I knew it was true.  

If you reach in the 1st round, it needs to be a hit.  We have reached more than anyone (my opinion) in that time, and not hit. 

Come 2nd or 3rd round, and people start saying players are a round early, meh. You don't know.  But we know who 1st rounders are.  So if you know your guy is a reach, and the Raiders obviously do, then trade down.  Mayock and Gruden talk themselves into thinking that everyone else is after their player, who no one else is talking about, and they reach.  

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17 hours ago, SDJohnny said:

https://am.ticketmaster.com/allegianttours/#/

So Allegiant Stadium Tours are now open to the public. The tickets are through Ticket Master so you're going to need to create an account with them. 

The Team Store at the Stadium is Humongous with a great selection. That's the only thing open to the public now.  I'm doing the Stadium Tour on April 25th.

How does a Canadian convince one of you locals to ship a bunch of stuff I'll never be able to find here?! haha

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10 hours ago, LawFitz said:

I too get down on the Raiders often. But I am not even close to down on this class.

If you decide to be the 20/20 hindsight guy, and go back and look at what they should have done in 2019, the ONLY thing you might say is they should have taken Devin White, and Montez Sweat later.  

But DL was clearly the move at #4, whether it was Ed Oliver or Josh Allen.  

You lose points on Ferrell if Allen/Burns/Oliver blow up, not if Sweat does.  Sweat was a reach there as well.  

 

Where you really can play armchair QB is with the picks taken from Jacobs on.  They took Jacobs at 24, and Abrams at 27.  

Marquise Brown
Montez Sweat
Jerry Tillery
LJ Collier
 Deandre Baker
 Kaleb McGary 
 N'Keal Harry 
 Byron Murphy
  Rock Ya-Sin  
 Jawaan Taylor 
 Deebo Samuel  
 Greg Little
 Cody Ford

Those were all the players taken between Jacobs and Trayvon Mullen.

 

You can make very good arguments about the value of RB and SS i the 1st round, and I agree.  In the abstract, I don't want 1st round RB and SS.  But in actuality, if you take players at better positions, and they suck, you aren't drafting smart.  

There aren't many things they should have done different in 2019 that dob't wind up with them getting bad players at different positions.  

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21 minutes ago, massraider said:

Montez Sweat

Was a beast last year. Not that your overall point is diminshed, but he helped ruin games along with Chase Young. Perhaps that was mainly the attention they had to pay to Young, but I think Sweat was a second-year guy who just flourished.

Anyway, reading the thread and that struck me. That's only one noticeable hit out of fourteen, so...

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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Was a beast last year. Not that your overall point is diminshed, but he helped ruin games along with Chase Young. Perhaps that was mainly the attention they had to pay to Young, but I think Sweat was a second-year guy who just flourished.

Anyway, reading the thread and that struck me. That's only one noticeable hit out of fourteen, so...

And he's the one that got away.  

Most Raider fans would have gone Allen or White I think at 4.  Maybe Burns.  I would have gone Ed Oliver probably.  

Then the best case scenario is, you take Sweat and Jacobs with your late 1sts.  

But only Deebo is a guy I would take over Mullen, let alone Jacobs.  

By taking Abrams and Jacobs, hey didn't get premium positions, but it's not like a bunch of studs went after them.  

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9 minutes ago, massraider said:

But only Deebo is a guy I would take over Mullen, let alone Jacobs. 

Deebo, too. My Sweat got in my eyes while reading, if you know what I mean. Deebo is certainly a guy you can argue for over Mullen. Even Jacobs, because Jacobs strikes me as replacement level while Deebo is a grade above that. But that might be a controversial take on Jacobs.

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I've said this before and others in this thread have said this: the Raiders have one winning season in 19 years are where they are right now due to 20 years of bad drafting. The ineptitude to draft talent in logical spots has been this organization's Achilles Heel no doubt about it. It says a lot when your only perennial Pro Bowler of the 2000's was your punter (Lechler).

All that being said, I'm not about to bury Gruden and Mayock's draft classes yet. Yes, Ferrell, Abram and Arnett can be considered reaches. But they barely have one season under their belts. And Ferrell is a much better player than anyone gives him credit for. When he was injured last year, he was clearly missed.

And I don't get all the Trayvon Mullen hate on here. How many 2nd round corners have been drafted to be day 1 starters? Without doing any research, I can only think of one; Mullen. That position, more than any other, is going to have growing pains and to his credit, Mullen has held his own on his Island. As far as I'm concerned, that's a great draft pick. 

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5 minutes ago, DocHolliday said:

If Grudens drafts have been as good as some of you think, the playoffs are likely this season.   

The offense is there, as long as the changes on the Oline pan out.

Now if Gus can get the defense turned around they have a chance to get into the playoffs. And they need game changers on D (Yannick and hopefully Parsons or JOK)

In fairness to Gruden, they are competitive in their division, that's half the battle. He knows how to beat the Chiefs and other teams around the league have copied his gameplan against them.

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Names I want to drop so I look smart if we take them:

  • There's 4 OTs that fit the developmental, sit for a year under Cable type guy, they all look like Raider picks to me.

               Spencer Brown
               Stone Forsythe
               Tommy Doyle
               D'Ante Smith

We should do a little Raider questionnaire before the daft, call your shots for the Raider picks,  etc.  One of these guys would be a great call for Raiders 1st or 2nd round reach.  All of these guys have Kolton Miller-like metrics. Arm length to hand size to agility.  Probably none of them go in the 1st round, and Raiders have three Day 2 picks.  I think it's more than fair to expect two of the first four picks to be OL.  I would be pretty excited by any of these guys, reach or not.  

  • I would be totally in favor of a surprise 2nd or 3rd round BPA pick, if that guy happens to be a TE. Moreau and Carrier are fine, but if Freiermuth is there at #48, that would be a very good pick, to my mind.  Later guys like Long and Jordan could be really nice complements to Waller in two TE sets.  
  • OG David Moore from Grambling. He's like 6'1, 350 pounds, and carries it well. Played C and OG at Senior Bowl, look him up.  Reminds me of that guy the Pats drafted from Georgia Tech, Shaq Mason.  He was an animal coming out, everyone knew it, and still goes in the 6th round.  OG that maybe is a C? That fits this team's needs better than a Tokyo condom.  You couldn't ask for more.  
  • If you are a DL fanboy, like I am, this draft is going to play out in an annoying manner. There's going to be some cool EDGE names every round of the draft. And I think the Raiders will pass on them, because we have the crowded roster.  Milton Williams looks like an inside guy can can play outside, and feels like a Raider guy.  
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1 hour ago, Bruno2 said:

The offense is there, as long as the changes on the Oline pan out.

Now if Gus can get the defense turned around they have a chance to get into the playoffs. And they need game changers on D (Yannick and hopefully Parsons or JOK)

In fairness to Gruden, they are competitive in their division, that's half the battle. He knows how to beat the Chiefs and other teams around the league have copied his gameplan against them.

?....Gruden is 1-5 against the Chiefs and the Chiefs won 10 straight after the one score loss to the Raiders....would have been 11 had they not already clinched the #1 seed and sat all their starters in the last game against LAC...they then won two more playoff games before losing in the super bowl.....copying....?.... Not sure either part of that statement is true.  

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17 minutes ago, massraider said:

Names I want to drop so I look smart if we take them:

  • There's 4 OTs that fit the developmental, sit for a year under Cable type guy, they all look like Raider picks to me.

               Spencer Brown
               Stone Forsythe
               Tommy Doyle
               D'Ante Smith

We should do a little Raider questionnaire before the daft, call your shots for the Raider picks,  etc.  One of these guys would be a great call for Raiders 1st or 2nd round reach.  All of these guys have Kolton Miller-like metrics. Arm length to hand size to agility.  Probably none of them go in the 1st round, and Raiders have three Day 2 picks.  I think it's more than fair to expect two of the first four picks to be OL.  I would be pretty excited by any of these guys, reach or not.  

  • I would be totally in favor of a surprise 2nd or 3rd round BPA pick, if that guy happens to be a TE. Moreau and Carrier are fine, but if Freiermuth is there at #48, that would be a very good pick, to my mind.  Later guys like Long and Jordan could be really nice complements to Waller in two TE sets.  
  • OG David Moore from Grambling. He's like 6'1, 350 pounds, and carries it well. Played C and OG at Senior Bowl, look him up.  Reminds me of that guy the Pats drafted from Georgia Tech, Shaq Mason.  He was an animal coming out, everyone knew it, and still goes in the 6th round.  OG that maybe is a C? That fits this team's needs better than a Tokyo condom.  You couldn't ask for more.  
  • If you are a DL fanboy, like I am, this draft is going to play out in an annoying manner. There's going to be some cool EDGE names every round of the draft. And I think the Raiders will pass on them, because we have the crowded roster.  Milton Williams looks like an inside guy can can play outside, and feels like a Raider guy.  

Watch for  T Jackson Carman in the 2nd round as well. He's a mountain of a man who projects well at RT. And it doesn't hurt that he's a Clemson prospect either. I'm sure when they were scouting Simpson last year Carman popped up on their radar back then. 

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2 hours ago, massraider said:

Most Raider fans would have gone Allen or White I think at 4.  Maybe Burns.  I would have gone Ed Oliver probably.  

 

I wanted Josh Allen badly at 4 and my second choice would have been Oliver.  I still like what I have seen from Ferrell at times.  I'm still hopeful on him.

I think the guys I want most at 17 are JOK then Barmore.  I don't think Parsons will be there.  I also like Zaven Collins and Jamin Davis.

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13 hours ago, DA RAIDERS said:

i am talking about justifying draft position.  nothing else.  they are both solid, to good players.  they were both taken "early".  so for me, the jury is still out.

eta:  if a player is taken "early", they have to live up to that draft position.  if jax takes mac jones, he best be better than Lawrence.  and he'll always be compared to him.  it is what it is,  :shrug:  

Justify the position or not. In the end, all the matters is if the guys on the field are playing well or are a waste of a pick. All that a higher picks really means when you boil it down is that you have more people to choose from. In the end, either a pick was a good pick or not. And pretty much every pick is not a perfect pick if you look at "who you could have got" game as there will always be 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounders etc that outshine some 1st rounders. 

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13 hours ago, 32 Counter Pass said:

Oooh, I’ll play. I think your take is mostly correct. The exceptions are generational players. Rather than focusing on specific names, what gives you any confidence that Gruden/Mayock are capable of execution a draft BPA for scheme strategy?

2019 draft

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2 hours ago, DocHolliday said:

If Grudens drafts have been as good as some of you think, the playoffs are likely this season.   

I believe we are a playoff bubble team. I only say bubble because having the Chefs in our division means it will be dang hard to win the division and the AFC is the deeper conference. That being said, before the draft, our offense on the whole should improve: Offensive line unsettled a bit but nothing more than what is was last year and they performed. Development of the young kids at WR and Brown > Agholar. Defense has been greatly upgraded with new additions and more importantly a new DC. I expect the new guys not only to do better but to get more out of a guy like Littleton. If you forced me to make a bet, I would bet we make the playoffs this year but I think it will be close and that is more about the other teams than us. 

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1 hour ago, Bruno2 said:

Watch for  T Jackson Carman in the 2nd round as well. He's a mountain of a man who projects well at RT. And it doesn't hurt that he's a Clemson prospect either. I'm sure when they were scouting Simpson last year Carman popped up on their radar back then. 

Offensive line name to remember for after round 1 - Quinn Meinerz.  He's a D3 prospect that looks very interesting.  

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39 minutes ago, Chadstroma said:

Justify the position or not. In the end, all the matters is if the guys on the field are playing well or are a waste of a pick. All that a higher picks really means when you boil it down is that you have more people to choose from. In the end, either a pick was a good pick or not. And pretty much every pick is not a perfect pick if you look at "who you could have got" game as there will always be 2nd, 3rd, 4th rounders etc that outshine some 1st rounders. 

I’m not playing who they could have gotten. Like megatron. I’m simply pointing out what the logical pick should  have been. I’m sick of the hideous drafts. 2019 not included. 

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2 minutes ago, ICON211 said:

Raiders have waived Hurst and Key.  Key has never done anything, but Hurst has been useful.  Odd.

Very strange.  And now they need a DL  F’ing gruden.  I don’t think he gets, or gets along with today’s young players. Unless their old school grinders
 

Are those 2019 draft picks.  :devil: 

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3 hours ago, DA RAIDERS said:

I’m not playing who they could have gotten. Like megatron. I’m simply pointing out what the logical pick should  have been. I’m sick of the hideous drafts. 2019 not included. 

Yeah, I think those of us who are anti-Raider-draft selections maybe have a more "wisdom of the crowds" POV on how to draft. Sure, it’s not perfect, but if enough "experts" who do this for a living rank players a certain way, does it make sense to always go against the grain?
 

im in the same boat as others with the McClain and even Gallery picks.  They were "can't miss" obvious picks for the Raiders who didn’t pan out, but I was fine with it cuz there are always busts. But when you consistently do things like pass on the Lambs of the world for the next ranked players...well, it seems to lead to exactly what we've been living for the past 20 years. The proof is in the results, honestly. 

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1 hour ago, massraider said:

Bummer, but fine with both getting cut.  

.5 sacks last year from Hurst, in his 3rd year, I think we can replace that.  

I thought Hurst was a decent rotational player.   Key was a big miss.  

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19 minutes ago, DocHolliday said:

I thought Hurst was a decent rotational player.   Key was a big miss.  

Key did nothing. 

Hurst showed some but never what we hoped for. Solomon Thomas' floor can replace what we saw out of him over the last 3 years and he has a much higher ceiling. 

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57 minutes ago, DocHolliday said:

I thought Hurst was a decent rotational player.   Key was a big miss.  

We got more out of that 5th round pick for Hurst than most 5th rounders.  Totally worth the risk. But he never was impactful. He was just a guy.  

Thank god Miller was a hit, and of course it was the most unpopular pick of all of Gruden/Mayock.

The next picks were PJ Hall/Brandon Parker/Arden Key.  Same thing with 2019, someone tell me all the guys they would have taken instead.  We could have grabbed a Jerome Baker or a Fred Warner, but the rest of the players in this rang sucked.  

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/2018

You can find better picks, but it's not easy.  

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21 minutes ago, massraider said:

We got more out of that 5th round pick for Hurst than most 5th rounders.  Totally worth the risk. But he never was impactful. He was just a guy.  

Thank god Miller was a hit, and of course it was the most unpopular pick of all of Gruden/Mayock.

The next picks were PJ Hall/Brandon Parker/Arden Key.  Same thing with 2019, someone tell me all the guys they would have taken instead.  We could have grabbed a Jerome Baker or a Fred Warner, but the rest of the players in this rang sucked.  

http://www.drafthistory.com/index.php/years/2018

You can find better picks, but it's not easy.  

One thing that is funny about Miller...  we keep hearing about how you DON'T pick safeties in the 1st (a shot at Abram and an example of Mayock/Gruden not knowing how to draft) but the pick everyone wanted instead was Derwin James (just a reminder... he is a S). 

But yea, there is a whole lot of non-factor players. Looking at that draft it really was a weak year. 

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14 hours ago, SDJohnny said:

https://www.si.com/college/westvirginia/mountaineers-in-the-pros/former-wvu-cb-rasul-douglas-gaining-major-interest-in-nfl-free-agency              

Not sure why it took him so long to sign. Still young, Good Height, 6-2. We'll see. 

Can't have enough corners these days. Nice depth acquisition and should be an upgrade over Lawson.

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The talk about QBs being drafted early and often continues.   Saw somewhere that 5 QBs could be drafted in the top 10,  Two or 3 WRs are likely to go in the top 12 too.   What sweet music to my ears.  

I know I said this before but the Raiders will be sitting pretty at 17.  A day 1 starter will be there.  The latest CB FA signing is a good sign too.  Not sure how good the player is but CB is definitely a position of need.    Also, that should be another position that Gruden doesn’t feel like he must reach for in round 1.   

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13 hours ago, DocHolliday said:

The talk about QBs being drafted early and often continues.   Saw somewhere that 5 QBs could be drafted in the top 10,  Two or 3 WRs are likely to go in the top 12 too.   What sweet music to my ears.  

I know I said this before but the Raiders will be sitting pretty at 17.  A day 1 starter will be there.  The latest CB FA signing is a good sign too.  Not sure how good the player is but CB is definitely a position of need.    Also, that should be another position that Gruden doesn’t feel like he must reach for in round 1.   

I saw one mock draft that has Parsons falling to us.  I think I would spontaneously combust if that happens!

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2 hours ago, Silver & Black said:

I saw one mock draft that has Parsons falling to us.  I think I would spontaneously combust if that happens!

In some Raider news circles, it seems like there is a belief/thought/hunch that the Raiders wouldn't pick him even if available at 17.  So don't combust too soon!

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11 minutes ago, DocHolliday said:

What’s the reasoning?   

Off the field concerns related the hazing (makes some sense), the Raiders track record of not taking the 'consensus' BPA (makes a bit less sense, but has legs), and one claim of since they had reports of interest in Kenneth Murray last year but passed on him in favor of Arnette (a stretch in logic imo).

 

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38 minutes ago, Silver & Black said:

Parsons is a monster and would be an instant injection of life into our defense.  A lot of people like us taking OL at 17 and many really love the kid from Notre Dame, Koramoah.

To me, if Parsons is there at 17 we'd be crazy not to take him.  

i've been saying the same for weeks.  i don't think parsons will fall.  my call has been JoK, or OL.  which makes the most sense.  so i fully expect a qb or a k/p :oldunsure:  i really hope they don't take a db at 17.  which almost guarantees it  :cry:

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After spending sometime looking for a mock draft tracker, I broke down and took a few mins to pull together the 'experts' picks for the Raiders @ 17.

Side note: If you haven't been to SI's website recently, it's horrible. 

Source	Expert		Player			POS
nfl.com	Schrager	M. Parsons 		LB
nfl.com	Davis		J. Owusu-Koramoah	LB
nfl.com	Casserly	T. Jenkins		OT
nfl.com	Jones-Drew	J. Owusu-Koramoah	LB
nfl.com	Jeremiah	J. Owusu-Koramoah	LB
nfl.com	Frelund		M. Parsons 		LB
nfl.com	Zierlein	C. Barmore		DT
nfl.com	Reuter		C. Darrisaw		OT
nfl.com	Brooks		J. Owusu-Koramoah	LB
ESPN	Kiper		T. Moehrig		S
ESPN	Kiper		A. Vera-Tucker		OT/G
ESPN	McShay		T. Moehrig		S
SI	Vrentas		A. Vera-Tucker		OT/G
SI	Fabiano		M. Parsons		LB
CBS	Trapasso	J. Davis		LB
CBS 	Wilson		M. Parsons		LB
CBS 	Edwards		T. Marshall JR		WR
CBS	Prisco		A. Vera-Tucker		OT/G
PFN 	Tanier 		C. Farley		CB
PFF	Palazzolo	C. Newswome II		CB
PFF	Monson		C. Farley		CB

 

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Some random comments I caught during the Mike Mayock Facebook Live session this afternoon:

None of these are direct quotes. 

  • Being at 17 means you need to be willing to move up to get a guy slipping or be flexible to drop out if value isn't there at 17.  Need to be nimble. 
  • @ RT, excited about Jaryd Jones-Smith (recent signing)
  • Wants to be able to take best player available, but aware of needs.  
  • Energized by changes made to the OL.  See's Kolton Miller as a cornerstone. Happy to show the team they want to resign their own players.  Thinks that Andre James can compete at center.  Excited with what the OL room looks like.  Respects players who have left, but made a conscious decision to get younger and a bit more athletic. 
  • Doesn't like the zoom meetings, would rather have time to meet the kids.  Happy to have been able to partake in pro-days.  No medicals like years past with combine visits, medical grades are still trickling in. 
  • Thought Heath did a good job at FS last year, but always looking for competition.  FS talent available in first 3 rounds in the draft. 
  • When asked about College Opt Outs, he said each case is different.  Some were forced in to opt-outs (Pack 10, for example).  Lots of complexities with students who had may have hired an agent thinking they wouldn't be returning to college football. 
  • Getting fans into the stands is important.  Wants home field advantage.  
  • Recruiting and gathering information from small schools has gotten harder over the last 2 years due to covid. 
  • Have made a conscious effort to get faster on D. 
  • Really missing the 30 visits (30 players into your building for a day each).
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On 4/21/2021 at 5:49 PM, DocHolliday said:

The talk about QBs being drafted early and often continues.   Saw somewhere that 5 QBs could be drafted in the top 10,  Two or 3 WRs are likely to go in the top 12 too.   What sweet music to my ears.  

I know I said this before but the Raiders will be sitting pretty at 17.  A day 1 starter will be there.  The latest CB FA signing is a good sign too.  Not sure how good the player is but CB is definitely a position of need.    Also, that should be another position that Gruden doesn’t feel like he must reach for in round 1.   

You allllllllmost made it through the post without being negative. :pickle:

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5 hours ago, kaso said:

After spending sometime looking for a mock draft tracker, I broke down and took a few mins to pull together the 'experts' picks for the Raiders @ 17.

Side note: If you haven't been to SI's website recently, it's horrible. 


Source	Expert		Player			POS
nfl.com	Schrager	M. Parsons 		LB
nfl.com	Davis		J. Owusu-Koramoah	LB
nfl.com	Casserly	T. Jenkins		OT
nfl.com	Jones-Drew	J. Owusu-Koramoah	LB
nfl.com	Jeremiah	J. Owusu-Koramoah	LB
nfl.com	Frelund		M. Parsons 		LB
nfl.com	Zierlein	C. Barmore		DT
nfl.com	Reuter		C. Darrisaw		OT
nfl.com	Brooks		J. Owusu-Koramoah	LB
ESPN	Kiper		T. Moehrig		S
ESPN	Kiper		A. Vera-Tucker		OT/G
ESPN	McShay		T. Moehrig		S
SI	Vrentas		A. Vera-Tucker		OT/G
SI	Fabiano		M. Parsons		LB
CBS	Trapasso	J. Davis		LB
CBS 	Wilson		M. Parsons		LB
CBS 	Edwards		T. Marshall JR		WR
CBS	Prisco		A. Vera-Tucker		OT/G
PFN 	Tanier 		C. Farley		CB
PFF	Palazzolo	C. Newswome II		CB
PFF	Monson		C. Farley		CB

 

Did anyone have us taking Ruggs and Arnette last year? 

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