DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
If you’re mariota, why restructure? You’re gonna get 10M or get cut. Which at that point, you get to negotiate a new contract. Probably one, in your favor. 
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2021 Las Vegas Raiders - PLAYOFFS!!!! (2 Viewers)
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massraider
Footballguy
Any why would we tie up all this cap? We aren't getting a 3rd rounder for him, are we?If you’re mariota, why restructure? You’re gonna get 10M or get cut. Which at that point, you get to negotiate a new contract. Probably one, in your favor.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
It doesn’t hurt for the Raiders to be patient. They still have current cap space to sign more FAs.
For Mariota to hit the incentives, he has to play games and earn that money. Doesn’t seem that awful for a team wanting to use Mariota as a stop-gap for a season or even to truly kick the tires.
massraider
Footballguy
Want Kyle Long a RT for quite a while before playing OG?
Come draft time, there will be a team who will be the odd man out on the QB carousel. Somebody will flinch. If not, be even more patient and go into training camp and wait for a camp injury. They HAVE to get something decent in return for Mariota.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
They are rumored on talking with Ju Ju and AJ at least. Pretty sure they will bring in a vet WR.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
FS with range is the most important piece for our D right now. Top priority in my view.
LawFitz
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Yannik signed!
SDJohnny
Footballguy
Talked about this possibility on the podcast last week. Raiders love backup center Andre James and weren’t winning anyway with all the money spent on OL.
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Ian Rapoport
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The #Raiders are releasing Pro Bowl center Rodney Hudson, source said, a surprise in Las Vegas as their O-line receives a nearly complete facelift.
11:43 AM · Mar 16, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
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Ian Rapoport
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The #Raiders are releasing Pro Bowl center Rodney Hudson, source said, a surprise in Las Vegas as their O-line receives a nearly complete facelift.
11:43 AM · Mar 16, 2021·Twitter for iPhone
massraider
Footballguy
Oh man.
SDJohnny
Footballguy
Yeah, I got to agree. If you love james that much move him to Guard. This didn't even save us cap money because of the dead money the team is going to eat on this.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I think right now it is a staring contest between the Raiders, Mariota and teams that are interested in himkittenmittens said:
kaso
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I don't want him at RT. G, yes, but tackle he will not be helpful though having versatility to play if needed is good.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Andre James has a lot to live up to. I am not happy about cutting Hudson.
massraider
Footballguy
Yeah, y'all give me the green light when I can worry about Oline.
Completely blown away right now. So basically Miller is the only starter left on the Oline. Yesterday I wasn't concerned about the Oline, today I am. If I were Derek Carr, I'd be stretching those hamstrings because he's gonna be running for his life again.
LawFitz
Footballguy
WTF is this? Cutting Hudson makes absolutely zero sense at all. None. Guy has been an absolute rock. Why not at least let him play out this year and cut him next year when there would be cap savings involved?
This tells me there's something rotten going on at Raiders HQ. Only thing I could see even remotely explaining this is if Hudson went on some kind of tirade against Gruyock after seeing 3/5 of his compatriots cut (assuming Gabe Jax is/was).
Seriously, this is VERY troubling news.
W.T.F.!!!!!!
LawFitz
Footballguy
I am so pissed off about this Rodney Hudson fiasco. Only reason to cut a guy and take on a $15 MM dead cap is if he's woefully underperforming or completely cancerous to your culture. We know it wasn't the former. And he's been known to be a high character leader in the locker room in the past. This reeks of a Gruden power play of some kind - making an example of Rodney to the rest of the team.
Wowzers. I've been wavering on Chucky for a while now, but today has me officially on the side of wanting to see him go, unless we get some clear and reasonable alternative justification of this move very soon. Right now, this appears to me as dysfunctional a move as I've seen in a long long time. At least Mack was traded for two first round picks. Giving Hudson away to another team for free and then paying the guy $13 MM this season to play for said new team is beyond reproach right now.
Wowzers. I've been wavering on Chucky for a while now, but today has me officially on the side of wanting to see him go, unless we get some clear and reasonable alternative justification of this move very soon. Right now, this appears to me as dysfunctional a move as I've seen in a long long time. At least Mack was traded for two first round picks. Giving Hudson away to another team for free and then paying the guy $13 MM this season to play for said new team is beyond reproach right now.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Okay, so if you split the cap hit over the next two years you get ~$6 MM in cap space this season, plus ~7 MM in cap space next year. That calms me down a little bit. Still don't like losing Hudson, but at least I can see a rationale now around it, beyond just Chucky being an idiot.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Seems like a move where they loved James and didn't feel the drop off is a much without Hudson and they can use the savings elsewhere.
Makes me believe they are going after some of the top end FA's out there and need to make room money wise.
I am not happy about it. I love Hudson and he was a rock in the middle. Because James doesn't have playing time he is a ? to us fans. Hopefully there isn't a beat missed there but now with just Miller at LT the OL does become a question. It has to. You can't replace 4 of the 5 without. The G's made sense and the RT could make sense but now with changing the center too, the unit as a whole will be suspect until we see it on the field.
Makes me believe they are going after some of the top end FA's out there and need to make room money wise.
I am not happy about it. I love Hudson and he was a rock in the middle. Because James doesn't have playing time he is a ? to us fans. Hopefully there isn't a beat missed there but now with just Miller at LT the OL does become a question. It has to. You can't replace 4 of the 5 without. The G's made sense and the RT could make sense but now with changing the center too, the unit as a whole will be suspect until we see it on the field.
LawFitz
Footballguy
One issue though, is that in order to designate it a post-June 1 cut, you need to keep Hudson's salary on the books until June 1. But they could also just wait until then to sign the incoming rookie class, and divert those funds to free agents between now and then.
Who's left in the Free Agent pool that fits these key attributes?...
1. High character
2. Has already been paid before
3. Proven production history
4. Won't demand a bank-breaking contract
5. Doesn't have injury issues
6. Has tread left on the tires
7. Fits the Raiders team need AND scheme
Better check all these boxes to be worth effectively trading Rodney Hudson to sign.
FRACK, that list is pretty much an impossible dream to fulfill. :(
Trent Williams (huge contract), Patrick Peterson (character questions), Richard Sherman (tread), Curtis Samuel (never paid) are the only names that come to mind as fitting most of the above, but I'm sure there are some others out there on the B and C lists of names.
Who's left in the Free Agent pool that fits these key attributes?...
1. High character
2. Has already been paid before
3. Proven production history
4. Won't demand a bank-breaking contract
5. Doesn't have injury issues
6. Has tread left on the tires
7. Fits the Raiders team need AND scheme
Better check all these boxes to be worth effectively trading Rodney Hudson to sign.
FRACK, that list is pretty much an impossible dream to fulfill. :(
Trent Williams (huge contract), Patrick Peterson (character questions), Richard Sherman (tread), Curtis Samuel (never paid) are the only names that come to mind as fitting most of the above, but I'm sure there are some others out there on the B and C lists of names.
ICON211
Footballguy
ICON211
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
I am smelling a Trent Williams monster contract coming soon. ~$20 MM per for the first two years, and then declining for another 2-3 yrs of team options with a cap-hit-free out after year 2 - similar to Baby Huey's last deal. Doubt the Niners match that.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Top end FA's that will get big contracts:
Williams, Golladay, Samuel, William Jackson, Anthony Harris, Ingram, JuJu, Reddick, etc.
Hell.... the Pats just paid Agholor $13 a year for 2 years.
Williams, Golladay, Samuel, William Jackson, Anthony Harris, Ingram, JuJu, Reddick, etc.
Hell.... the Pats just paid Agholor $13 a year for 2 years.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Sanchez claiming that $3.5 MM of Hudson's salary guarantee was voided as a result of asking to be released. So then ~$7.5MM freed up for this year, assuming this is designated as a post June 1 cut, and ~$8.5 MM in extra cap next year by releasing Hudson.
Still would rather have kept Hudson. At the same time though, if he wanted out, I could see how they might want to cut their losses, and avoid the potential for another big-pay malcontent.
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
what a #### show. @Chadstroma can we worry about the O line yet?
sticking to my guns, first pick, O line .
something aint right in raider land. This reeks of Gruden being Gruden.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
They better keep mariota now. Carr’s a dead man walking at this point.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
You are cleared for landing on runway concerned about the OL.
what a #### show. @Chadstroma can we worry about the O line yet?
sticking to my guns, first pick, O line .
something aint right in raider land. This reeks of Gruden being Gruden.
So let me get this straight. He's willing to give up $3.5 mil than to be a Raider for one more year? If that's the case, then there's definitely something wrong inside the organization. And the team is nowhere near playoff contention than they were when Del Rio was fired. I thought we would be beating players off with a stick wanting to come play in Vegas. No state taxes, new facilities etc, etc... Its feeling like no one wants to play for Gruden, no matter what the advantages are of playing in LV. Smh...
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Hey Chad!! Remember when I wasn’t worried about the Oline and was happy with the off-season so far?! Well, that didn’t last long. What the heck is Gruden doing to piss off Hudson enough that he wants out? Something is up. You don’t dismantle one of the best Olines without reason. Gruden is an idiot. How many more years until he can go?
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Gruden is a clown. Pure and simple. He’s a dinosaur. I think today’s players, can’t stand him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Just heard about Hudson on the radio driving home. Damon Bruce & Ray Ratto were predictably apoplectic about it.
Why release your pro bowl center? Why take the cap hit instead of trying to trade what most would assume was a valuable asset?
I’m so confused by this. At least I was until I remembered that this is the same kinda crap Gruden did after he won the SB with the Bucs.
Why release your pro bowl center? Why take the cap hit instead of trying to trade what most would assume was a valuable asset?
I’m so confused by this. At least I was until I remembered that this is the same kinda crap Gruden did after he won the SB with the Bucs.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
“Knock if you’re with me.”
LawFitz
Footballguy
Not that this justifies things, but trading him would've resulted in ~$2MM in net cap hit this year (and ~$14MM in freed cap in 2022); whereas,
By granting his request for release, they free ~7.5 MM in cap this year and ~$8.5 MM next year.
Maybe they called around and couldn't get enough of an offer to justify ~$10 MM in net cap swing this year, had they traded him.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Now that Booker has moved on, two guys I'd like to see brought in: Pip Lindsey and Trey Sermon. Denver gave Lindsey a zero rd tender meaning he can be had for free if they don't match an offer. And Sermon can probably be swooped in the 6th or 7th round this draft. Dude is classically underrated as a RB prospect IMO.
The biggest issue...is WHY does he want to leave? In my mind, cap space is just a distraction for the real problem affecting this organization.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Maybe. That all seems secondary since arguably their best move would have been to oh, I dunno, maybe keep your probowl starting center?
Plus the loss of Incognito, and Aghalor, I just...ugh.
As a Derrick Carr owner in a SF, this does not give me happy happy joy joys.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
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