Everything everyone has said about Oline has truth to it, I think bottom line is that injuries have taken their toll and it's only week 3. This week's possible starters are Miller, Simpson, James, Mr E and Parker. That's very scary, one more injury to any spot on the Oline, and they're in dire straits. Especially with a QB now playing on a bad ankle who's backup is on IR. It's great they're 2-0, but man, we are one hit away from Peterman playing behind that Oline.
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LawFitz
Footballguy
Some thought food on Hudson -
- He was highly paid and we don't know if he was showing signs of becoming a malcontent. Only thing worse than a malcontent is a highly-paid malcontent.
- He was showing signs of slowing down as a player. I don't know the PFF grades for James v. Hudson through two games, but reading some of the Cardinals fan boards, I see fans complaining about the OL play, and particularly a lack of push in the run game - that was Hudson's biggest fall off last year.
- He generated a 3rd-round pick - which turned into Malcolm Koonce. MK may or may not turn into something of value, but that 3rd rounder definitely had value, regardless of whether the swing becomes a hit or a miss. See the 5th-rd pick obtained for Gabe Jax as illustration - that one turned into Natty Nate Hobbs... Muthertrucking grand slam so far with that swing.
- The money freed up by dumping Hudson was used on other players in one way or another - seeing as how they were cap strapped at the final margins and still managed to sign Wright, one could make a roundabout case that Hudson's money was used on Wright. This last point is perhaps a reach, but when operating on the margins, every dollar counts.
- He was highly paid and we don't know if he was showing signs of becoming a malcontent. Only thing worse than a malcontent is a highly-paid malcontent.
- He was showing signs of slowing down as a player. I don't know the PFF grades for James v. Hudson through two games, but reading some of the Cardinals fan boards, I see fans complaining about the OL play, and particularly a lack of push in the run game - that was Hudson's biggest fall off last year.
- He generated a 3rd-round pick - which turned into Malcolm Koonce. MK may or may not turn into something of value, but that 3rd rounder definitely had value, regardless of whether the swing becomes a hit or a miss. See the 5th-rd pick obtained for Gabe Jax as illustration - that one turned into Natty Nate Hobbs... Muthertrucking grand slam so far with that swing.
- The money freed up by dumping Hudson was used on other players in one way or another - seeing as how they were cap strapped at the final margins and still managed to sign Wright, one could make a roundabout case that Hudson's money was used on Wright. This last point is perhaps a reach, but when operating on the margins, every dollar counts.
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Good points in the last few threads. Time is going to answer the question. I’m a firm believer in building teams from the inside out. O line and D line must be a priority every year. Raiders did a good job on the D side this off season but some of that fixing was out of necessity for the ongoing problem of poor drafting. That fourth round pick from a couple of years ago looks worse by the week.
Back to Hudson. It isn’t as cut and dry as I initially made it. He didn’t want to be here for some reason and his play isn’t what it once was. Moving him out may have been the right move. Not doing a better job with backfilling the talent level may be an issue. Getting some guys healthy will certainly help.
LawFitz
Footballguy
^^^IF they can keep the existing roster intact going into 2022, they will be in position to take several OL in the next draft - hopefully it'll be a fruitful class for that position group.
They do have a bunch of one-yr contracts though - Hayward, Wright, Jefferson, Thomas, Philon - that will need re-upping as warranted, plus perhaps new monster deals for Carr and Maxx - those will likely need to be firmly back-loaded so that they can make a run over the next couple years and kick the can downfield. At some point Waller Baller is going to demand a raise too - hopefully not until 2023 at the earliest - and that one too will need firm back-loading.
It's nice to see they are finally getting some starter-level production from some of their rookie-deal players (besides Maxx & JJ). The young WRs and DBs are making impact this year. Let's hope that lasts and extends to other units too after the next couple drafts. For all the hate Mayock gets in this thread, I'm pleased with his drafts so far - getting producers every year it seems all of a sudden, after what felt like three decades of almost exclusive misses (exceptional 2014 class notwithstanding).
They do have a bunch of one-yr contracts though - Hayward, Wright, Jefferson, Thomas, Philon - that will need re-upping as warranted, plus perhaps new monster deals for Carr and Maxx - those will likely need to be firmly back-loaded so that they can make a run over the next couple years and kick the can downfield. At some point Waller Baller is going to demand a raise too - hopefully not until 2023 at the earliest - and that one too will need firm back-loading.
It's nice to see they are finally getting some starter-level production from some of their rookie-deal players (besides Maxx & JJ). The young WRs and DBs are making impact this year. Let's hope that lasts and extends to other units too after the next couple drafts. For all the hate Mayock gets in this thread, I'm pleased with his drafts so far - getting producers every year it seems all of a sudden, after what felt like three decades of almost exclusive misses (exceptional 2014 class notwithstanding).
Chadstroma
Footballguy
It seemed to me he was upset that we got rid of Brown and Jackson but that is more guess than any info.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Ok my fellow citizens of Raider Nation...
I extended my stay officially. I move from a flight back Sunday night to Monday night. I grabbed a room at the Excalibur for Sunday night (yes, I know, not great but I don't expect to be there much... crash after hopefully celebrating a win late night and then up in the morning to do a few things I wanna do and the difference on there vs Mandalay Bay $$$ was like three times the money... it will be better than the place I stayed at two years ago
plus I have the Vdara to enjoy for Friday and Sat nights). I also booked a stadium tour for Monday.
The only thing I have not done is bought my tickets. They are pretty stable from where they were a week ago or so. I can't see them going anywhere but down. Does anyone have any recommendations on where to purchase them? Should I wait last minute? I think there are apps for that no? I do not want to do the scalpers outside as the chances of getting scammed are high. There are some pretty good tickets for $400 out the door after now on the bottom corners like 4th row. Of course, I would love to have great seats- I don't want to spend more than $400 (whatever I spend will be double as my wife made it clear however much I spend she expects to be spent on her for a new purse or shoes or whatever). I am feeling like it will only go down in cost and not up.
I am super stoked for this weekend. SUPER pumped for the Raider game.... the stadium tour.... unfortunately a friend of mine came down with COVID but the silver lining is that she is giving me her VIP ticket for my convention so I get some cool extra perks.... listen to Molly Bloom (VIP meet and greet too... she is hot), Magic Johnson and Simon Sinek (VIP Q&A with him... what would you ask him if you had the chance?) and tons of industry stuff I am jacked up plus seeing tons of awesome people! Grab in In n Out burger too. It is going to be a good weekend!
I extended my stay officially. I move from a flight back Sunday night to Monday night. I grabbed a room at the Excalibur for Sunday night (yes, I know, not great but I don't expect to be there much... crash after hopefully celebrating a win late night and then up in the morning to do a few things I wanna do and the difference on there vs Mandalay Bay $$$ was like three times the money... it will be better than the place I stayed at two years ago
plus I have the Vdara to enjoy for Friday and Sat nights). I also booked a stadium tour for Monday. The only thing I have not done is bought my tickets. They are pretty stable from where they were a week ago or so. I can't see them going anywhere but down. Does anyone have any recommendations on where to purchase them? Should I wait last minute? I think there are apps for that no? I do not want to do the scalpers outside as the chances of getting scammed are high. There are some pretty good tickets for $400 out the door after now on the bottom corners like 4th row. Of course, I would love to have great seats- I don't want to spend more than $400 (whatever I spend will be double as my wife made it clear however much I spend she expects to be spent on her for a new purse or shoes or whatever). I am feeling like it will only go down in cost and not up.
I am super stoked for this weekend. SUPER pumped for the Raider game.... the stadium tour.... unfortunately a friend of mine came down with COVID but the silver lining is that she is giving me her VIP ticket for my convention so I get some cool extra perks.... listen to Molly Bloom (VIP meet and greet too... she is hot), Magic Johnson and Simon Sinek (VIP Q&A with him... what would you ask him if you had the chance?) and tons of industry stuff I am jacked up plus seeing tons of awesome people! Grab in In n Out burger too. It is going to be a good weekend!
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DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Carr and LW full practice today. Incognito still not practicing
DocHolliday
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
Chadstroma
Footballguy
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Chad,
there are Facebook groups that I checked out prior to going. I’ll get you the most legit one, if you want. There are still scammers in there, but that’s going to be true for anywhere other than TM, stub hub, etc. at $400, you’ll be able to sit anywhere except the club. Unless you get one at face value $395. I would wait, prices will drop. Especially for a single.
as far where to sit, I would sit on the south end, so you see the torch with the windows behind it. But anywhere will work. If any of my friends are selling their club seats at cost, I’ll let you know.
there are Facebook groups that I checked out prior to going. I’ll get you the most legit one, if you want. There are still scammers in there, but that’s going to be true for anywhere other than TM, stub hub, etc. at $400, you’ll be able to sit anywhere except the club. Unless you get one at face value $395. I would wait, prices will drop. Especially for a single.
as far where to sit, I would sit on the south end, so you see the torch with the windows behind it. But anywhere will work. If any of my friends are selling their club seats at cost, I’ll let you know.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
You know who I blame.
if this group of players sticks around, re-signs, or they get some people that want to come to the raiders. I may change my mind.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
Chad,
there is a free tram from Excalibur to Mandalay Bay. Then just walk over the freeway. Super easy.
there is a free tram from Excalibur to Mandalay Bay. Then just walk over the freeway. Super easy.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
There are tons of tickets available in the lower bowl. You’re looking good brother
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Marquel Lee released to make room for Barton. Leatherwood practiced.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Through two games, the Raiders led the NFL with a 31% QB contact rate, per ESPN Stats & Information. They were 29th last season.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Crosby is Pro Football Focus' highest-graded edge defender with a 91.9 mark thanks to his two sacks, eight QB hits and nine hurries, just ahead of the Steelers' T.J. Watt (91.8) and the Arizona Cardinals' Chandler Jones (90.5). Ngakoue, hampered by a strained right hamstring suffered late in the opener, is seventh.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Raiders are tied for 10th in the NFL in fewest points allowed, 16th in yards surrendered and their three takeaways are tied for fourth most. Last season, Las Vegas was No. 30 on points allowed, No. 25 in total defense and No. 30 in takeaways.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Roethlisberger was contacted on 10 offensive plays while running or throwing against the Raiders, his most in any game since Week 9 of the 2013 against the New England Patriots.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Daniel Carlson named AFC Special Teams player of the week.
I'm not as down on Parker as some are around here, but Leatherwood practicing is huge. Although, from personal experience, backs can be tricky, good thing hes young.
Charlie Harper
Footballguy
Carr looks strong to start the 2021 season. He’s completing 67 percent of his passes for 8.8 yards an attempt. His average depth of target is 9.5, which would be the deepest mark of his career; he’s thrown at least 20 yards downfield on 12.9 percent of his passes, which would also be a career-best number.
The numbers that prove I'm not blind.
LawFitz
Footballguy
Thank you. The linked article was a phenomenal read, but not just b/c of Carr. It very aptly describes the strengths and potential weaknesses of Gus Bradley's scheme:
This only works if you have elite players playing at healthy elite levels at all three levels, but especially on the line and in the 2ndary. If the line doesn't get pressure or the 2ndary doesn't cover and exploit rushed throws - whether by matchup, health, complacency, whatever - it can lead to bad outcomes, b/c the system itself is so simple and not at all novel.
Unless Bradley has some wrinkles and foundations to be added, a good QB with a good OL can and probably will pick apart this scheme. And if the front four suddenly stops pressuring for whatever reason, the rest of the unit will likely falter as well.
It's an interesting experiment - it's worked thus far, but two games doesn't make a season, and now teams have plenty of tape of us never blitzing. We are going to need Maxx for sure and probably Yannick and the rotating 3-tech crew to keep up this form all season for this D to continue succeeding. It's possible, but subject to a big dropoff if any one or more of the key pieces falls off (Maxx, YN, 3-techs, Hayward, Mullen). They simply don't have the next man up to replace them.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
We definitely need a Z to go with xx and Y on the D line
DocHolliday
Footballguy
I’m hoping that Bradley has blitzes ready to use but has not done much blitzing because it hasn’t been necessary. At some point, the front four won’t be able to pressure the QB and plan B will be necessary.
Chaka
Footballguy
SDJohnny
Footballguy
FYI, ticket prices for Sunday have dropped significantly on Ticket master. I am out of town this weekend otherwise I'd be there. I was in Section 408 for the Monday night game and still found it to be a pretty good view of the field. It certainly didn't feel like nosebleed seats. Also, there are Facebook Groups where PSL holders put their tickets up for sale. A little more risk involved with a person to person exchange so be cautious.
DA RAIDERS
Footballguy
A warning. Brissett had the team in position for 2 TDs and 2 FGs. Parker drops a perfectly thrown 30 yard pass in the endzone and Grant fumbles on the 5. Brissett kept plays alive with his ability to run and break tackles, he's strong and fast enough. All with pressure on over half the plays. And 5 or 6 drops. I'll take the over as I think LV will also score points.
massraider
Footballguy
Get brunch at Hash House-a-Go Go.Ok my fellow citizens of Raider Nation...
I extended my stay officially. I move from a flight back Sunday night to Monday night. I grabbed a room at the Excalibur for Sunday night (yes, I know, not great but I don't expect to be there much... crash after hopefully celebrating a win late night and then up in the morning to do a few things I wanna do and the difference on there vs Mandalay Bay $$$ was like three times the money... it will be better than the place I stayed at two years ago
The only thing I have not done is bought my tickets. They are pretty stable from where they were a week ago or so. I can't see them going anywhere but down. Does anyone have any recommendations on where to purchase them? Should I wait last minute? I think there are apps for that no? I do not want to do the scalpers outside as the chances of getting scammed are high. There are some pretty good tickets for $400 out the door after now on the bottom corners like 4th row. Of course, I would love to have great seats- I don't want to spend more than $400 (whatever I spend will be double as my wife made it clear however much I spend she expects to be spent on her for a new purse or shoes or whatever). I am feeling like it will only go down in cost and not up.
I am super stoked for this weekend. SUPER pumped for the Raider game.... the stadium tour.... unfortunately a friend of mine came down with COVID but the silver lining is that she is giving me her VIP ticket for my convention so I get some cool extra perks.... listen to Molly Bloom (VIP meet and greet too... she is hot), Magic Johnson and Simon Sinek (VIP Q&A with him... what would you ask him if you had the chance?) and tons of industry stuff I am jacked up plus seeing tons of awesome people! Grab in In n Out burger too. It is going to be a good weekend!
It's really not healthy, but you're staying at Excalibur, so you don't seem to be too worried about that.
Garrett
Footballguy
Bradley is going to blitz less than almost any other coordinator in the NFL but it certainly still happens. The blitz the offense doesn't expect is almost always going to be to most impactful. Lamar Jackson's OT fumble is a great example of that.
Garrett
Footballguy
At least historically, Brissett has been most successful using his arm strength to push the ball deep. That is going to be very difficult to do against Bradley's scheme. That's true he has some running ability, but that has also been a catalyst for him holding onto the ball way too long. If the Raiders can build a lead and Brissett is back there waiting for a WR to out run a cover 3, it's going to a very long day for him.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Lawson did sign with Jags. Not a loss. I didn't want to bring him back this off-season.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
I like that optimism BigDThe Raiders are going to win this division. That is all.
Have a good day, gentlemen.
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Good article.
I could jump in with why I don't see much of a difference in his play and back it with stats but I am heading out to the airport in just a bit.
The one thing I would argue against is that the defense scheme is as simple as he makes it out. From what I have read in other articles that laid this out in much detail... Bradley has evolved the defense to be progressively more varied than just Cover 3 each snap and challenge the other team to beat them. Bradley does not seem to be committed to Cover 3 win, lose or die but will make changes as needed.... this article even pointed out his use of Hayward differently than with guys like Sherman. As for not blitzing.... I think every DC would prefer to rush 4 and not blitz if that 4 is getting good pressure. We have a good rotation of guys in the middle that can pressure from inside and of course Max and Yannick on the edge. If we don't get the pressure, I think there will be more blitzing called in but there will never a ton of it as that is not the philosophy. Regardless, teams will need to do a MUCH better job at stopping not only Max, Yannick, Nassib, Cle, Hankins, Philon, Jefferson, and Thomas before we have to worry about that. The article pointed out that the tackles of the two teams we faced may have been because of weaker Tackle play but I don't think Thomas was going against the Tackles on his two sacks. So, some of this article, though it was a good one, is obviously trying to make a point more than anything.
I absolutely agree though... the D doesn't have to win the games for us. Our offense can win. We needed the D to not be a liability and I think that is done. The question now is, can this D be a game winner for us as well? I think it can.
Chaka
Footballguy
That wasn't optimism, he's trying to put a hex on the Raiders.
But I think Vegas has the gris-gris so, bring it on.
Dysfunction or genius in Miami? We saw what Maxx did 2 weeks ago. Eichenberg is a rookie who might start at LT, LG, or RT.
>>Eichenberg said he continues to play both guard and tackle in practice this week. Dolphins have been trying to figure out where he's the best fit - with the players around him - and have had him prepared to play 3 positions.<<
https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1441100492696788999?s=19
>>Eichenberg said he continues to play both guard and tackle in practice this week. Dolphins have been trying to figure out where he's the best fit - with the players around him - and have had him prepared to play 3 positions.<<
https://twitter.com/flasportsbuzz/status/1441100492696788999?s=19
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
I was taking it as a pessimistic view on KC. After a billion years we don’t have to face them coming of a bye this time
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I don't think you do that to confuse a defense. It would do much more harm to the Oline than the defense. Do they have injuries? I didn't see that many in the injury report. Shouldn't you have figured this kind of thing out by now?
Chadstroma
Footballguy
I took it as trolling because that is what he does. Thus I don't ever respond directly anymore.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Agreed, chiefD welcome here anytime
You maybe getting him mixed up with the poster they say stinksChadstroma said:
Chadstroma
Footballguy
Correct. Mix up with the other KC fan that comes in to troll and I ignore. My bad.
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