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I know this is crazy, but interesting - https://247sports.com/Article/NFL-Draft-2021-trades-Trevor-Lawrence-Jacksonville-Jaguars-Justin-Herbert-164530738/
I saw that Barnwell article and stopped reading it after this notional trade, which was the first one. This would never happen. The Jaguars probably wouldn't do it, though they should, but the Chargers absolutely should not even consider it.I know this is crazy, but interesting - https://247sports.com/Article/NFL-Draft-2021-trades-Trevor-Lawrence-Jacksonville-Jaguars-Justin-Herbert-164530738/
It is interesting how there is some ambivalence to put Herbert as a top QB. I must admit that I have some myself, but I think that's just my jaded Charger fan scepticism. If Lawrence comes out and has a rookie season like Herbert just did he'd be called the next Manning.I saw that Barnwell article and stopped reading it after this notional trade, which was the first one. This would never happen. The Jaguars probably wouldn't do it, though they should, but the Chargers absolutely should not even consider it.
Herbert is as proven on the NFL field as any player can be after one season. He only has one fewer season of cost control than Lawrence. Herbert is worth more than 1.1 right now IMO; there is no guarantee Lawrence will ever play as well as Herbert did in 2020. Herbert just had one of the few best seasons in NFL history for a rookie QB.
James has had health issues which are concerning, but he was 1st Team All Pro as a rookie. He is worth much more than 3.1.
So those two combined are worth much more than Lawrence and pick 3.1, and Barnwell says the Chargers would also have to throw in 1.13?!?! NFW
To make it interesting enough for the Chargers to consider, it would have to be adjusted the other way, with more value going to the Chargers. Something like: 1.1, 2.1, 3.1 for Herbert and James. The Jags would never do that, and understandably so... but I would strongly consider that if I were the Chargers, though I suspect they still wouldn't do it, since Herbert and James are two young faces of their franchise, along with Bosa and Allen.
I agree this is the right ballpark. Having the QBOTF position solved is huge and could warrant being a little higher. But:Gr00vus said:Pro Football Focus ranks the Chargers roster 25th in their pre-draft rankings.
This seems right to me. I think the overall roster has been pretty crummy for several years now. They have standouts at a few spots (some of whom have problems staying healthy), and the above average QB play has masked the general poor talent level.
There's been a narrative I've heard pretty frequently that the Chargers are a talented team and that they're just a few moves away from being a playoff/championship contender. Again, I haven't felt that way for 6 to 10 years. I think their perception has been skewed somewhat on this board because they've managed to produce some useful fantasy players pretty consistently over that time, but as an NFL team, they haven't been good in a while.
They'd have to hit big on several picks this year to change that much, as I don't think there are difference makers left in free agency right now.
I have a feeling the Dolphins are building something.Yeah, I think the front office has been pretty bad at draft strategy and draft talent evaluation for the last 10 years or so (the Telesco years basically). The roster shows it. It's a recipe for NFL irrelevancy.
Could be. Not sure Tua will become a championship level qb though, they need to be careful there not to stick with him too long if he isn't progressing.I have a feeling the Dolphins are building something.
Dolphin fan here and we shall see. I think that Herbert may be another Marino for all the good and bad that will mean. He will be good enough to get stats and wins, but maybe not good enough to get the supporting cast to put him over the top. The league is different than it was when Dan was around, so the chargers could make a run if they don't make everything a shootout (ie, get a defense).Could be. Not sure Tua will become a championship level qb though, they need to be careful there not to stick with him too long if he isn't progressing.
Marino, Fouts, and Rivers are three of the best QBs ever without any rings. I can definitely envision Justin Herbert joining that group.Dolphin fan here and we shall see. I think that Herbert may be another Marino for all the good and bad that will mean. He will be good enough to get stats and wins, but maybe not good enough to get the supporting cast to put him over the top. The league is different than it was when Dan was around, so the chargers could make a run if they don't make everything a shootout (ie, get a defense).
Then again they may suffer the same fate as the Rivers chargers except instead of New England it will be The Chiefs and Mahomes basically keeping them from breaking through.
Uhhg. So sad, so true.Marino, Fouts, and Rivers are three of the best QBs ever without any rings. I can definitely envision Justin Herbert joining that group.
Oh, come on! The kid has played 15 games.I can definitely envision Justin Herbert joining that group.
That's because he didn't take over the starting job until Week 2.Oh, come on! The kid has played 15 games.
That would still be an awesome career, there are a lot of top QBs that never win championships. Seems like high praise here.Marino, Fouts, and Rivers are three of the best QBs ever without any rings. I can definitely envision Justin Herbert joining that group.
True, but a fan base doesn't think career, they think rings. Again, Herbert is the type of player NFL defenses should fear, and this has all the makings of Marino/Kelly for Herbert/Mahomes. They should build a D around Bosa and an O around Herbert.That would still be an awesome career, there are a lot of top QBs that never win championships. Seems like high praise here.
I agree if you are a Chargers fan, championships are the hope, but if Herbert is that good, it’s a blessing regardless of winning championships or not.Gatorman said:True, but a fan base doesn't think career, they think rings. Again, Herbert is the type of player NFL defenses should fear, and this has all the makings of Marino/Kelly for Herbert/Mahomes. They should build a D around Bosa and an O around Herbert.
This is gold... "giddy with dread" is perfect.I'm giddy with dread. Reconciling myself to the notion they'll stick at 13 and draft a WR (or do something even more disappointing).
Not sure Tua will become an NFL level QB let alone championshipNot sure Tua will become a championship level qb though
Since 2 of the 3 played for the Chargers, I can see why you are so optimistic.Marino, Fouts, and Rivers are three of the best QBs ever without any rings. I can definitely envision Justin Herbert joining that group.
I just know they'll end up with a kick returner or a slot receiver at 13 and then it'll be wishes and hopes for a LT and CB from there on out.This is gold... "giddy with dread" is perfect.
Slater is the obvious choice here. Do the right thing, Telesco.
My view of the team's needs in priority order:What are we looking at on day 2? Anyone you folks are holding out hope for in particular?
He may have dropped a bit, but not much. He is 5'10", 180 lbs, so on the smaller side of the spectrum for NFL success.Any idea why Samuel dropped so far? Or was that about where he was expected to go?
Nice summary. All this optimism from you is making me nervousPosted this morning: 2021 Chargers Roster Thoughts - Post Draft
TL;DR - Offense seems set. I think they have 3 remaining roster positions to solve on defense:
They have about $13.7M in available cap space to address these, which should be more than enough.
- Need to add a veteran free safety
- Need to add 1-2 IDL player(s)
- May need to add a pass rusher, particularly if Staley's second OLB is a guy who stands up on the line and plays as an edge player... or could this be Fackrell?
- ...or, if his second OLB is more ike a 4-3 WLB, may need to add a more traditional LB, whether OLB with Tranquill and Murray playing ILB or ILB to enable Tranquill or Murray to play WLB... or is this White?
I am assuming those needs above are not filled by 28 players under contract, including the 10 UDFAs they had signed as of yesterday... I identified just 52 of the 80 players currently signed as being really strong contenders for the final roster and figure a couple of those offensive players will get bumped in favor of defensive spots. So there is a chance that one or more of those players I eliminated will end up surprising me and filling needs identified above.
Thoughts?
Well no reason to wait anymore, so I would like to see at least one of those old man pass rushers signed. Ideally with a cap friendly incentive deal. I'd imagine lining up opposite Bosa will motivate someone.Here's a list of available FA as of May 3 2021.
Hadn't seen that. Nice.Well no reason to wait anymore, so I would like to see at least one of those old man pass rushers signed. Ideally with a cap friendly incentive deal. I'd imagine lining up opposite Bosa will motivate someone.
Overthecap has released their predictions for compensatory picks now that window is closed and I was surprised to see them projecting 3 6th rounders and 1 7th.
I thought with the fa pickups that wasn't happening, but I guess the Henry and Linsley deals cancel each other as well as the Feiler and Jenkins cancel out. So they get 6s for Tevi, Taylor and Feeney. 7 for Perryman
No thanks. I appreciate Ingram for his time with the Chargers, but I can't imagine they can sign him for a true bargain price. Would rather they sign others at value prices.The have Ingram highest ranked of the old man pass rushers available. Bring him back if the price is right? Dude has trouble staying healthy, and the new regime owes him no allegiance. Still I don't know that there's better out there for them.