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15 hours ago, Deranged Hermit said:

My counter is: for how many years has the opposing TE totally decimated the Eagles defense. For as long as I can remember,  the Eagles just get torn up in the intermediate routes.

Rather get beaten to short to intermediate then beat deep constantly. Just like baseball football is about keeping the ball in front of you. It's why some OFers like playing deeper, some because they are more comfortable coming in then backtracking and others because they have the speed to makeup for the ground to coverage. Football you want to always keep your man and the ball in front of you. If I was a DC I'd preach on my players playing physical at the line but at the same time keeping the play in front of you. Just need to have better tackling which has been one of the Eagles achilles since Jim Johnson left but I also feel since the Rule changes for TC and OTA's have limited contact it doesn't help guys either. Most teams only play 2 LBs anymore as a base defense. Why put huge amounts of money and draft capital in a position you don't believe is as important as others especially if you play a Nickel or dime base to start? 

I like LBS as much as the next guy. I really Love Alex Singleton. There's a guy in the 2nd round maybe 3rd depending how people feel from LSU named Jabril Cox who played first at NDST and finished his last 2 yrs at LSU. He really impressed me and can cover TEs. If he played at LSU his whole career he's in the same conversation as Parsons. If he lives up to the expectations he's a day 2 steal maybe the biggest. by far 

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3 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

I’d be happy if that’s who either one picked. As long as they neglect OL and defense tha good for us. 

Horn or Sewell to Dallas would not be lovely. 

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21 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Guess Swartz didn’t like retirement....

haha damn.  Prob saw the writing on the wall here anyways for him.  Titans gig should be good for him. Less stress and pressure, and I think he still has some stuff to offer.

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17 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

I want them to stay as far away from Fields as possible. 

 

If Dal or NYG get Pitts we are screwed. I hope Dal goes Defense like they should and Engram seems to have blackmail on the GM or someone inside the Org because any other team he's probably gone already. 

Doesn't seem like Pitts will make it to Dallas or NYG. 

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22 minutes ago, Ilov80s said:

Doesn't seem like Pitts will make it to Dallas or NYG. 

Yeah it's way more likely they draft surtain, horn, or parsons

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Saw some more stats on the age/experience of the coaching staff and besides the obvious age ones we know about, this stood out:

  • Core coaching staff (HC/OC/DC/ST) years of experience in that role
    • Eagles: 1 year (Steichen has 1 year as OC, rest have 0)
    • NFL average staff experience: 21 years
    • Average staff experience of 6 other teams with new staffs in 2021: 10 years

Prepare for a lot of growing pains...

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On 4/5/2021 at 12:46 PM, Insein said:

I see mocks that have Smith at 15 and Horn at 16. Someone will be there. 

It's possible both Smith and Waddle will be there. I mean look how far Lamb went last year, people were talking about him being top 10 too.  Lineman and CB's got the early pick love. 

But man looking how all those other WR's produced all around us last year makes me sad, dont make me go look at that 2020 draft. Forget Jefferson - Aiyuk, Higgins...  even Pittman and Senault had mroe productive years. Really really hope Reagor takes a step forward this year.

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8 minutes ago, babydemon90 said:

It's possible both Smith and Waddle will be there. I mean look how far Lamb went last year, people were talking about him being top 10 too.  Lineman and CB's got the early pick love. 

But man looking how all those other WR's produced all around us last year makes me sad, dont make me go look at that 2020 draft. Forget Jefferson - Aiyuk, Higgins...  even Pittman and Senault had mroe productive years. Really really hope Reagor takes a step forward this year.

well his early injury plus the junk makeup of our offense plus how bad wentz was hides what he really is.   We just dont know yet

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7 minutes ago, babydemon90 said:

It's possible both Smith and Waddle will be there. I mean look how far Lamb went last year, people were talking about him being top 10 too.  Lineman and CB's got the early pick love. 

But man looking how all those other WR's produced all around us last year makes me sad, dont make me go look at that 2020 draft. Forget Jefferson - Aiyuk, Higgins...  even Pittman and Senault had mroe productive years. Really really hope Reagor takes a step forward this year.

I think that had a lot to do with coaching and the poor QB play (love Carson but he was bad last year). Better offensive scheme and no reliance on older veterans should give us a good idea of what reagor really is. 

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Teams haven't taken a WR high in the past 3 years.  The last time WR's were picked in the top 10 was 2017, and that went poorly...   John Ross at #9? Man imagine if Howie had made that pick.  Kevin White a few years before that?

Maybe things change this year, but WR's taken high are no guarantee - yea, a bunch last year panned out (except us), but there seem to be a lot more misses then hits. I think there's a great chance Chase is the only WR taken before us - and even then we might not go WR.

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9 hours ago, Deamon said:

haha damn.  Prob saw the writing on the wall here anyways for him.  Titans gig should be good for him. Less stress and pressure, and I think he still has some stuff to offer.

I think he still has a place in Tennessee too. I remember a few years back he posted a video heading out to his car and a bear strolling by IIRC. 

 

1 hour ago, The Noid said:

Saw some more stats on the age/experience of the coaching staff and besides the obvious age ones we know about, this stood out:

  • Core coaching staff (HC/OC/DC/ST) years of experience in that role
    • Eagles: 1 year (Steichen has 1 year as OC, rest have 0)
    • NFL average staff experience: 21 years
    • Average staff experience of 6 other teams with new staffs in 2021: 10 years

Prepare for a lot of growing pains...

So long as they show growth in good with it but it will be interesting to see how they hold the team together if things aren’t going well. We do have a solid core of veterans that I hope will assist with that. 

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3 hours ago, The Noid said:

Saw some more stats on the age/experience of the coaching staff and besides the obvious age ones we know about, this stood out:

  • Core coaching staff (HC/OC/DC/ST) years of experience in that role
    • Eagles: 1 year (Steichen has 1 year as OC, rest have 0)
    • NFL average staff experience: 21 years
    • Average staff experience of 6 other teams with new staffs in 2021: 10 years

Prepare for a lot of growing pains...

I'm a little surprised they didn't hire a former head coach as a senior assistant without portfolio just for some practical experience to lean on. Someone like Marty Mornhinweg (but absolutely not him).

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12 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Guess Swartz didn’t like retirement....

I told ya his excuse was BS. Everyone I talked to said he got real lazy and Doug wasn't holding Coaches he deemed to be "friends" with accountable. 

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12 hours ago, Deamon said:

haha damn.  Prob saw the writing on the wall here anyways for him.  Titans gig should be good for him. Less stress and pressure, and I think he still has some stuff to offer.

Schwartz became complacent after the SB like many of the coaches. Use to be the hardest working coach there but once he got his he got real lazy. Lost track how many times I heard he was caught sleeping in his office. One of the reasons Lurie didn't want Doug hiring his own coaches wasn't just trusting him to have the right guys but he basically let stuff go and didn't hold coaches he deemed as friends accountable 

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3 hours ago, The Noid said:

Saw some more stats on the age/experience of the coaching staff and besides the obvious age ones we know about, this stood out:

  • Core coaching staff (HC/OC/DC/ST) years of experience in that role
    • Eagles: 1 year (Steichen has 1 year as OC, rest have 0)
    • NFL average staff experience: 21 years
    • Average staff experience of 6 other teams with new staffs in 2021: 10 years

Prepare for a lot of growing pains...

I'm ok with this. We aren't a win now team and one of the other reasons I don't get the Watson/Wilson Trade speculation to here other then we'll need a QB probably and we have the assets to get it done. I do like their fire and Passion. Sirianni reminds me of a young Chucky Grudden in that regard. 

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2 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

I think he still has a place in Tennessee too. I remember a few years back he posted a video heading out to his car and a bear strolling by IIRC. 

 

So long as they show growth in good with it but it will be interesting to see how they hold the team together if things aren’t going well. We do have a solid core of veterans that I hope will assist with that. 

Heard from people he got home sick and missed Tenn. He was traveling back and fourth in the beginning here from where he lived in Tenn. 

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46 minutes ago, Tom Hagen said:

I'm a little surprised they didn't hire a former head coach as a senior assistant without portfolio just for some practical experience to lean on. Someone like Marty Mornhinweg (but absolutely not him).

Yeah they usually do this too. Even like a special teams coach or say DC like Schwartz.

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1 hour ago, DJackson10 said:

I told ya his excuse was BS. Everyone I talked to said he got real lazy and Doug wasn't holding Coaches he deemed to be "friends" with accountable. 

well now he can fall asleep in his office in Nashville

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Just now, need2know said:

well now he can fall asleep in his office in Nashville

Dude literally just pulled an Urban Meyer on the Eagles. I'm leaving for health reasons but months later takes a new coaching job. But Schwartz did it without the extra scummy behavior Meyer has done throughout his career. 

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2 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

Dude literally just pulled an Urban Meyer on the Eagles. I'm leaving for health reasons but months later takes a new coaching job. But Schwartz did it without the extra scummy behavior Meyer has done throughout his career. 

His contract was up anyway wasn’t it?

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3 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

I told ya his excuse was BS. Everyone I talked to said he got real lazy and Doug wasn't holding Coaches he deemed to be "friends" with accountable. 

I’m good with it, he’s run his course here. 

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2 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

His contract was up anyway wasn’t it?

Yeah It was but as recently as OCT they were trying to resign him. He told them he was taking time off for health reasons. People I talked to called BS on it and he was just being lazy and didn't want to do the grind and had some home sickness 

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4 minutes ago, need2know said:

I like the Eric Wilson signing 

I do too

I don't like resigning Jordan Howard unless he's just gonna be a camp body. 

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  • The Noid changed the title to *Official 2021 Philadelphia Eagles Thread* Always two, there are. No more. No less. One good signing, and one bad signing.

2020 Eagles historically bad O-Line continuity

The 2020 Philadelphia Eagles Offensive Line: A Tragedy

The Eagles troubles actually began in June, when right guard Brandon Brooks tore his Achilles, ending his 2020 campaign before it even started. As Scott Spratt noted in Football Outsiders Almanac 2020, Brooks' absence "will also disrupt the unit's continuity, which can often be as important to a team's blocking as the talent of its individual blockers." Spratt's words proved to be prophetic. Things only got worse when Andre Dillard, the projected starter at left tackle, tore his biceps in August, ending his season as well.

Though the injuries to Brooks and Dillard did not have a direct effect on Philadelphia's continuity score (which is based on week-to-week changes, not total injuries), it did set the tone for the chaos that was to ensue. Jason Peters, the Eagles' long-time starter at left tackle, was originally re-signed to play in Brooks' place at right guard, but promptly shifted back to left tackle after Dillard was hurt, and things proceeded to spiral out of control from there. If you'll indulge us for a while, it's worth going over what happened to the Eagles offensive line one week at a time (for the tl;dr version, you can skip to the table at the end of this section):

Week 1: The Eagles open against Washington with only two preferred starters on the line: left guard Isaac Seumalo and center Jason Kelce. With Peters manning the fort at left tackle, Nate Herbig—who didn't start a game as an undrafted rookie out of Stanford in 2019—fills in for Brooks at right guard. Meanwhile, as Lane Johnson is sidelined with an ankle injury, fourth-round rookie (and noted ape fighter) Jack Driscoll starts at right tackle. The Eagles give up eight sacks in a 27-17 loss to Washington.

Week 2: Johnson returns to the starting lineup against the Rams; the Peters-Seumalo-Kelce-Herbig-Johnson quintet is the closest thing the Eagles will field to a full line all season. It does not last long—Seumalo leaves the game with a knee injury in the first half and does not return until Week 11. The Eagles lose 37-19.

Week 3: Herbig moves over to left guard to fill in for Seumalo with 2018 sixth-rounder Matt Pryor starting at right guard, the first start of his NFL career. The line manages to survive four quarters without another significant injury and the Eagles salvage a 23-23 tie against Cincinnati.

Week 4: Peters suffers a toe injury in practice, knocking him out for several weeks. Jordan Mailata—a gargantuan Australian who was drafted in the seventh round in 2018 but had failed to see the field in his first two seasons—starts at left tackle. The Eagles get their first win of the year, defeating the San Francisco 49ers (who are dealing with their own injury nightmares) 25-20.

Week 5: For the first time all season, the Eagles start the same five linemen in the same positions in back-to-back weeks. Johnson is promptly carted off the field during the game. The Eagles lose to the Pittsburgh Steelers 38-29.

Week 6: Driscoll returns at right tackle in place of Johnson. Pryor goes on the reserve/COVID-19 list. (This is the only in-season disruption to the line caused by COVID protocols, though both Mailata and Johnson had spent time on the COVID list over the summer.) His spot is taken by Jamon Brown, a 27-year-old playing for his fourth team in three seasons; he plays so badly that he is released before Philadelphia's next game. The Eagles lose to Baltimore 30-28 as a potential game-tying two-point try comes up short.

Week 7: Brown is released and Herbig goes back to right guard. The new left guard is Iosua Opeta, an undrafted rookie out of Weber State who had played a total of five offensive snaps coming into the week. Johnson returns at right tackle but lasts only 60 snaps before spraining his MCL. Nevertheless, the Eagles score two touchdowns in the last five minutes to beat the Giants 22-21; at 2-4-1, the Eagles sit alone in first place in the NFC East.

Week 8: Peters and Pryor take back their respective spots at left tackle and right guard. This allows Herbig to shift back to left guard and Mailata to move over to right tackle. Each of Philadelphia's five starting linemen manages to play every snap on offense, the first time that has happened all season. The Eagles defeat the Cowboys 23-9 and stay in first place at 3-4-1, going into the bye week with nothing but good news.

Week 10: Bad news! Herbig, limited in practice with a finger injury, plays just one snap against the Giants—and on special teams, at that. Opeta returns at left guard, while Johnson returns (for the third time) at right tackle. Philadelphia loses 27-17, kicking off a four-game losing streak.

Week 11: Things get weird. Herbig is apparently a healthy scratch, inactive against the Browns despite being cleared to play. The Eagles roll with Seumalo at left guard and Pryor at right. Johnson leaves the game with an ankle injury and does not play again in 2020. Cleveland beats Philadelphia 22-17.

Week 12: With Herbig benched and Johnson on IR, the Eagles blow up everything. Peters moves to right guard, the spot which he was originally re-signed to play, with Pryor moving over to right tackle and Mailata back at left tackle. Philadelphia falls to Seattle 23-17 on Monday night to drop to 3-7-1 and behind Washington and the Giants (both 4-7) in the standings; they never rise higher than third in the division from that point forward.

Week 13: Pryor is benched after his one-game stint at right tackle, replaced by Driscoll. Peters leaves the Packers game with a toe injury that would prove to be season-ending. Green Bay beats Philadelphia 30-16.

Week 14: Herbig returns to his spot at right guard, and the Mailata-Seumalo-Kelce-Herbig-Driscoll unit lasts every snap in a 24-21 upset over the Saints, which would prove to be the Eagles' last win of the year. After the game, however, it is learned that Driscoll has torn his MCL; his season is over.

Week 15: Pryor moves back into the starting right tackle slot. The Eagles fall to the Cardinals 33-26.

Week 16: The Mailata-Seumalo-Kelce-Herbig-Pryor lineup returns, making this just the second time the Eagles are able to start the same five linemen in back-to-back weeks. It is also the last time—Mailata leaves the game with a concussion and misses the season finale as well. Dallas beats Philadelphia 37-17.

Week 17: Pryor moves from right tackle to left, his third different starting position. Brett Toth, who had gone undrafted out of Army in 2019, starts at right tackle, the first start of his NFL career. Washington beats Philadelphia 20-14 to mercy-kill the Eagles season.

Plainly, a barrage of injuries was the main cause behind the Eagles' lack of cohesion on the offensive line. The Eagles led the league with 57.1 adjusted games lost to offensive linemen, the highest for any team since Minnesota had 57.2 in 2016. Even that Vikings line, though, was more cohesive than last year's Eagles—their continuity score was 23. It looks like Philadelphia head coach Doug Pederson and offensive line coach Jeff Stoutland were panicking as they tried to mitigate the damage; the shuffling of Pryor, Herbig, and Driscoll often seemed random and haphazard.

Regardless, the results were a mess. The Eagles used 11 different starters on the offensive line, which is a lot, but hardly unprecedented. (Kansas City led the league with 12, largely because they rested all five starters in Week 17. The record is 13 by the 2007 Rams and the 2018 Cardinals.) Philadelphia's 13 line changes, however, is second-most on record behind those 2015 Patriots, and they join those Patriots and the 2017 Lions as the only teams in our database to never make it three straight games with the same five starting linemen. And the Eagles' total of 14 different starting lineups is likely unprecedented—the 2015 Patriots only had 13, and the 2017 Lions had but 11. Philadelphia finished with three different starters at both left tackle and left guard, four at right guard, and a stunning five at right tackle. For the sixth straight year, Jason Kelce started every game at center, and the Eagles still tied the record for offensive line discontinuity.

If all that is too much information to digest, the following table gives a neat, mind-blowing summary:

Philadelphia Eagles Starting Offensive Line, Week-by-Week, 2020
Week Opp LT LG C RG RT
1 WAS 71-J.Peters 73-I.Seumalo 62-J.Kelce 67-N.Herbig 63-J.Driscoll
2 LAR 71-J.Peters 73-I.Seumalo 62-J.Kelce 67-N.Herbig 65-L.Johnson
3 CIN 71-J.Peters 67-N.Herbig 62-J.Kelce 69-M.Pryor 65-L.Johnson
4 SF 68-J.Mailata 67-N.Herbig 62-J.Kelce 69-M.Pryor 65-L.Johnson
5 PIT 68-J.Mailata 67-N.Herbig 62-J.Kelce 69-M.Pryor 65-L.Johnson
6 BAL 68-J.Mailata 67-N.Herbig 62-J.Kelce 66-J.Brown 63-J.Driscoll
7 NYG 68-J.Mailata 78-I.Opeta 62-J.Kelce 67-N.Herbig 65-L.Johnson
8 DAL 71-J.Peters 67-N.Herbig 62-J.Kelce 69-M.Pryor 68-J.Mailata
9 BYE — — — — —
10 NYG 71-J.Peters 78-I.Opeta 62-J.Kelce 69-M.Pryor 65-L.Johnson
11 CLE 71-J.Peters 73-I.Seumalo 62-J.Kelce 69-M.Pryor 65-L.Johnson
12 SEA 68-J.Mailata 73-I.Seumalo 62-J.Kelce 71-J.Peters 69-M.Pryor
13 GB 68-J.Mailata 73-I.Seumalo 62-J.Kelce 71-J.Peters 63-J.Driscoll
14 NO 68-J.Mailata 73-I.Seumalo 62-J.Kelce 67-N.Herbig 63-J.Driscoll
15 ARI 68-J.Mailata 73-I.Seumalo 62-J.Kelce 67-N.Herbig 69-M.Pryor
16 DAL 68-J.Mailata 73-I.Seumalo 62-J.Kelce 67-N.Herbig 69-M.Pryor
17 WAS 69-M.Pryor 73-I.Seumalo 62-J.Kelce 67-N.Herbig 64-B.Toth

 


Other Notable Bad Teams

With a continuity score of 19, the Chargers would have finished last or tied for last in 17 of the last 22 seasons. Los Angeles was stable at left tackle, left guard, and center, where Sam Tevi, Forrest Lamp, and Dan Feeney missed only one start between them. At right guard, however, they moved from Tyree St. Louis to Trai Turner, back to St. Louis, then to Ryan Groy and finally back to Turner. At right tackle, they went from Bryan Bulaga to Trey Pipkins, then back to Bulaga, then Pipkins, then Bulaga again, then Storm Norton, then Bulaga again, and finally Pipkins again.

For the Panthers—third from the bottom ahead of the Eagles and Chargers—the problems were mostly limited to left tackle. Left guard Chris Reed, center Matt Paradis, right guard John Miller, and right tackle Taylor Moton missed only four starts between them. Left tackle, though, was a turnstile, with seven starts from Russell Okung (spread out over three separate stretches), four from Trenton Scott, three from Greg Little, and one each from Dennis Daley and Michael Schofield.

The Indianapolis Colts completed a wild three-year run last season. They had a score of 24 in 2018 that climbed to a perfect 48 in 2019, the largest year-to-year increase on the books. Last year, that number fell to 23, tied for the largest year-to-year decrease on the books. After using just five starters in all of 2019, they had four starters at left tackle alone in 2020 (Anthony Castonzo, Le'Raven Clark, Chaz Green, and Jared Veldheer). As it turns out, that's the norm for the Colts—aside from 2019, they haven't had a continuity score in the 30s or 40s since 2007. What's really unusual is that Indianapolis actually won four more games in 2020 than they did in 2019. They are the only one of the 11 teams that saw their continuity score dip by 20 or more from one season to the next (a list that includes their division rivals in Jacksonville) to win more games that second year. The other 10, on average, declined by about 3.5 wins apiece.

Biggest Year-to-Year Declines in Continuity Score, 2000-2019
Year Team Continuity
Score, Yr-1
Wins,
Yr-1
Continuity
Score
Dif Wins Dif Continuity
Score, Yr+1
Wins,
Yr+1
Dif,
Yr+1
2014 CHI 48 8 23 -25 5 -3 26 6 +1
2016 MIN 48 11 23 -25 8 -3 27 13 +5
2020 IND 48 7 23 -25 11 +4 — — —
2004 STL 48 12 25 -23 8 -4 25 6 -2
2001 MIN 45 11 23 -22 5 -6 34 6 +1
2004 TEN 48 12 26 -22 5 -7 45 4 -1
2009 DEN 48 8 26 -22 8 0 32 4 -4
2014 PHI 48 10 27 -21 10 0 34 7 -3
2002 DAL 44 5 24 -20 5 0 27 10 +5
2006 TB 48 11 28 -20 4 -7 42 9 +5
2020 JAX 44 6 24 -20 1 -5 — — —
Average 47.0 9.2 24.7 -22.3 6.4 -2.8 32.4 7.2 0.8

 


Good Teams

As noted, two teams tied for first with offensive line continuity scores of 36 in 2020. One of those teams was the Los Angeles Rams, making this the third time in four seasons since they hired head coach Sean McVay that they have finished first or tied for first in that category. (The exception was in 2019, when they finished 12th; it's likely not a coincidence that was the one season McVay has missed the playoffs.) The Rams had a perfect score of 48 in 2018, and they would have done it in 2017 too if they had not rested starters in Week 17. Remember when we said the Eagles used 11 starters on the line in 2020? Well, the Rams have only used 11 real starters in the last four seasons. (Technically, they have used 14, but that includes three one-game wonders in that Week 17 game in 2017.) L.A. leads the league with an average offensive line continuity score of 39.0 since 2017, well ahead of the second-best team (Tampa Bay, 33.8). It's difficult to write off this kind of consistent excellence entirely as good fortune. This is a credit to McVay, his assistants, and general manager Les Snead for acquiring durable linemen and protecting them from injury in both practices and games, and for having a solid plan on the rare occasions when things do go wrong. In 2020, the Rams got 16 starts apiece from center Austin Blythe, right guard Austin Corbett, and right tackle Rob Havenstein. Left tackle Andrew Whitworth and left guard David Edwards missed nine starts between them, with Joseph Noteboom filling in for both.

The team that tied the Rams for first place was the New York Giants. Left tackle Andrew Thomas, center Nick Gates, right guard Kevin Zeitler, and right tackle Cameron Fleming missed only one start between them all season. The only significant change was at left guard, where Will Hernandez started the first seven games of the year before going on the COVID-19 list. Rookie Shane Lemieux started every game after that, though Hernandez made regular relief appearances throughout the second half of the season.

With two teams tied for first, it's sort of fitting that two other teams tied for third at 32. One of those teams won the Super Bowl—The Tampa Bay Buccaneers got at least 13 starts from each of their regulars (from left to right, Donovan Smith, Ali Marpet, Ryan Jensen, Alex Cappa, and Tristan Wirfs.) The other was the Tennessee Titans, who overcame some havoc at left tackle (where Taylor Lewan, Ty Sambrailo, and David Quessenberry each started at least five games) because their other starters (left guard Rodger Saffold, center Ben Jones, right guard Nate Davis, and right tackle Dennis Kelly) missed only one start all year.

The most improved team in offensive line continuity score was the Miami Dolphins, who were last in the league with a score of 20 in 2019 before rising to a tie for seventh place at 28 in 2020. After using 10 starters the year before, the 2020 Dolphins used only six. That's largely due to the utility infielder-type season of Jesse Davis, whose 15 starts included four games at left tackle, five at right guard, and five at right tackle. Meanwhile, primary starters Austin Jackson, Ereck Flowers, Ted Karras, Solomon Kindley, and Robert Hunt each started at least 11 games. None of those men were 30 years old in 2020; Jackson, Kindley, and Hunt were rookies.

NFL Offensive Line Continuity Scores, 2020
Year Team Continuity
Score
Number of
Starters
Line
Changes
Longest
Stretch
2020 NYG 36 7 3 9
2020 LAR 36 6 2 7
2020 TB 32 8 5 8
2020 TEN 32 8 3 6
2020 ATL 30 8 7 8
2020 CHI 29 9 5 6
2020 WAS 28 9 5 5
2020 MIA 28 6 7 4
2020 MIN 27 9 5 4
2020 BUF 27 8 7 5
2020 NE 27 8 7 5
2020 ARI 27 7 7 4
2020 CLE 27 8 7 5
2020 GB 26 7 7 3
2020 NO 26 7 9 5
2020 HOU 26 9 7 5
2020 DEN 25 9 6 3
2020 PIT 24 9 9 5
2020 JAX 24 7 9 3
2020 SEA 24 9 8 4
2020 DAL 24 9 9 5
2020 SF 24 9 9 5
2020 DET 23 8 10 4
2020 IND 23 10 8 4
2020 KC 22 12 8 5
2020 BAL 22 9 9 3
2020 CIN 21 11 9 4
2020 NYJ 21 9 10 3
2020 LV 21 9 10 3
2020 CAR 20 9 10 2
2020 LAC 19 10 11 3
2020 PHI 15 11 13 2
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16 minutes ago, Insein said:

CBS latest mock has Eagles taking Smith at 12 with Horn going 13. Players are going to be there. Just hope we don't screw it up.

🤣 3 weeks to go, still time to get your draft night signs ready!

”Welcome to Philadelphia, Greg Rousseau!”

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54 minutes ago, Insein said:

CBS latest mock has Eagles taking Smith at 12 with Horn going 13. Players are going to be there. Just hope we don't screw it up.

Yep.  The trade back looks great now.  I wouldn't have even been totally pissed if we took Smith/Horn/Waddle at 6.

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3 hours ago, Insein said:

CBS latest mock has Eagles taking Smith at 12 with Horn going 13. Players are going to be there. Just hope we don't screw it up.

I highly doubt Horn will be there at 12 but passing on a alpha CB1 for a flawed WR prospect in another deep WR draft would be an epic fail

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23 minutes ago, JetMaxx said:

I highly doubt Horn will be there at 12 but passing on a alpha CB1 for a flawed WR prospect in another deep WR draft would be an epic fail

Every player at 12 will have flaws. Horn wasn’t considered an “alpha CB1” until after his pro-day and I’m sure many still have Surtain over him. 

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32 minutes ago, JetMaxx said:

I highly doubt Horn will be there at 12 but passing on a alpha CB1 for a flawed WR prospect in another deep WR draft would be an epic fail

Smith is a baller and we will be lucky if we get him

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52 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Every player at 12 will have flaws. Horn wasn’t considered an “alpha CB1” until after his pro-day and I’m sure many still have Surtain over him. 

Please elaborate on Horn’s flaws

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On 4/7/2021 at 9:14 PM, Bigboy10182000 said:

Jordan Howard again, JC

He's our new JP/Sproles dude 

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Our boy and Nick Foles long lost twin brother Nate Sudefield signed with SF. SF now has 4QBs not including if they take one in the draft which could be up to 5. John Lynch is trying to compete with Howie's QB factory 

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8 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

There’s concerning weaknesses at this level.

In addition to that he runs his mouth, a lot, and doesn’t hit. How do you believe that plays here? 

Surtain does play with slightly more physicality while I’ve heard that Horn was considered the top SEC CB last year so he’s not a sudden riser. Horn certainly fits the mold of long limbed CBs that Gannon looks for apparently. Either way I’d prefer one of them over a rail thin WR. 

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8 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

Our boy and Nick Foles long lost twin brother Nate Sudefield signed with SF. SF now has 4QBs not including if they take one in the draft which could be up to 5. John Lynch is trying to compete with Howie's QB factory 

They surely will take a QB at 3 or they would not have moved up. They will also try and trade Jimmy G if they can get decent value for him, so signing Sudfeld is depth insurance at this point.

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47 minutes ago, JetMaxx said:

Surtain does play with slightly more physicality while I’ve heard that Horn was considered the top SEC CB last year so he’s not a sudden riser. Horn certainly fits the mold of long limbed CBs that Gannon looks for apparently. Either way I’d prefer one of them over a rail thin WR. 

Horn was selected as SECOND team all conference. He wasn’t considered the best in his own conference let alone the field until after his pro-day. 

Regardless we are in a position now at 12 where the guys we get will have flaws that need to be coached up. I’ll take Surtain, Horn or Smith. Smith is rail thin, Derek Henry is too big, Brees is too small, Marvin Harrison is rail thin etc etc. I don’t care, just be able to play at a high level. That’s the only thing that matters. 

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3 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Horn was selected as SECOND team all conference. He wasn’t considered the best in his own conference let alone the field until after his pro-day. 

Regardless we are in a position now at 12 where the guys we get will have flaws that need to be coached up. I’ll take Surtain, Horn or Smith. Smith is rail thin, Derek Henry is too big, Brees is too small, Marvin Harrison is rail thin etc etc. I don’t care, just be able to play at a high level. That’s the only thing that matters. 

Yeah surtain is better than horn

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2 hours ago, need2know said:

Yeah surtain is better than horn

I hate the fact that almost every mock draft has Surtain going to the Cowboys.

I'm also not crazy about the fact that the Surtain, Horn and Samuel I watched have children old enough to be drafted. :(

 

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13 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

Our boy and Nick Foles long lost twin brother Nate Sudefield signed with SF. SF now has 4QBs not including if they take one in the draft which could be up to 5. John Lynch is trying to compete with Howie's QB factory 

You knew Sudfeld was gone after that game 17 4th qtr performance.

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12 minutes ago, Born to Run said:

You knew Sudfeld was gone after that game 17 4th qtr performance.

cannot believe anyone still thinks he should be on an nfl roster

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4 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Horn was selected as SECOND team all conference. He wasn’t considered the best in his own conference let alone the field until after his pro-day. 

Regardless we are in a position now at 12 where the guys we get will have flaws that need to be coached up. I’ll take Surtain, Horn or Smith. Smith is rail thin, Derek Henry is too big, Brees is too small, Marvin Harrison is rail thin etc etc. I don’t care, just be able to play at a high level. That’s the only thing that matters. 

Surtain has been the consistent #1 in SEC for the last two years. Thats why when Kyle Pitts destroyed him two plays it was pretty wild. Here's a guy who's the conferences best CB and the #1 TE in the conference just obliterated him on 2 plays. Then again I'd like to see anyone thats great cover Pitts in college and not look silly though. 

 

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