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If there are genuinely no takers, they should cut him and let Goedert play. I hope this isn't Howie misjudging the market and being stubborn. Ertz money can be used for extensions or rolled forwards. He's been a great Eagle but it's time to move on, even if it means cutting him. This situation should have been resolved months ago, the team has botched it.
The difference is that I’m pretty sure Ertz is a free agent at the end of the year. He’s gone either way, you may as well save the money.
If Ertz can rebound though - having him AND Goedert can only help Hurts succeed.
It's not really already spent since cap space can roll over (even over multiple years) so it's not a "use it or lose it" type thing. And even though they are under the cap now, it's literally just barely ($2MM) and they traditionally like to have some breathing room in case of in-season injuries.
I agree that the best case scenario is that they get a pick and can move on. But Ertz is not a locker room cancer like Alshon was.It's not really already spent since cap space can roll over (even over multiple years) so it's not a "use it or lose it" type thing. And even though they are under the cap now, it's literally just barely ($2MM) and they traditionally like to have some breathing room in case of in-season injuries.
If they truly think of this as a "rebuild year" it makes more sense to free up $8.5MM in cap space instead of keeping him and taking time away from Goedert's development (and evaluation for whether or not to pay him a big 2nd contract.)
I think moving on is the right thing to do for the team and still believe there's a high probability he's gone before the season starts. But they've screwed up obvious things before, like carrying Alshon last season and wasting a roster spot for months, followed by giving him snaps over the younger guys late in the season.
Definitely not. However, just him still being there (and maybe being relegated to a back-up) still could cause a bit of a distraction for the team if it snowballs from the media coverage. "SB hero treated like poop" is a likely narrative.
initial reaction is i'm excited. thinking about it though, let's say this happen, watson will be suspended for a part or all of the season. so hurts is a lame duck during that time. how does a qb perform at peak levels under these circumstances? the odds of hurts outperforming watson's potential is absolute zero. as a fan excited for 2022 i guess in that case. i think this is the first time i feel bad for hurts. it's the same thing wentz went through with a different name.
No thanks too much smoke with these accusations. Give me a QB we can mold as our own. Plus I'm hesitant to give up assets when we aren't a QB a way from being a contender
I'm not trading anything for that guy unless its a lower picks. Maybe a conditional pick for goals achieved like making playoffs, winning the SB etc but I ain't giving up 2 1sts a couple 2nds and so fourth for a guy a team is desperate to trade and also doesn't want to play there and on top of that has questionable character concerns right now and legal issues.
On the surface I’d say no team in its right mind would usurp its newly appointed starting high round QB pick from last year with a deal like this. But this is Howie.
Oh I'm not either and I wasn't happy at all with signing said player. I always said glad he got his life together but he should've been banned from life for football. It's a privilege to play pro not entitlement Unfortunately these pro leagues will continue to sign these guys or play them without repercussions as long as fans keep paying to see them on the field.
While true, and I was not a fan of it, at least there was "no further punishment" coming. Other than from the fans.
More importantly for me, there actually was punishment. He went to prison, paid his time, turned his life around. Good redemption story. The way this is looking to unfold there will be zero consequences for him (oh, he misses a few games? boo hoo) and his life will continue as normal. Obviously, none of us know what really went down, but it sure as hell doesn't look good.
Truth here. And honestly, it felt GREAT having a wholesome QB. Until he turned into a little *****.
Slight tangent and then I'll shut up. Not defending what Vick did in the slightest, but it always bothered me that what he did he went to prison for, but when Wentz put pics online with him and a whole row of dead animals he shot and killed he's considered wholesome. Society is really messed up.
Even at the risk if there is no punishment law wise something could pop up in the future? Thats the biggest risk a team runs getting him. Theres just too much smoke here. Yeah maybe they settle out of court this one but who's to say 3 yrs from now something does happen that gets attached to him going to court and ending up with a cellmate?
Can't argue your first point, but your second if you have a QB like that then you're almost always a SB contender unless the team is absolute garbage around him (like HOU last year). If you have a known top QB you're ahead of the game, and his cap salary (since the signing bonus wouldn't count) would be a slight bargain compared to the other top QBs in the league.
Dogs are different a family animal. Also Wentz hunts for food like a lot of people in the wilderness or very rural areas do. Vick killed an animal for sport and gambling. One is legal one isn't as well. Now if Wentz was going around shooting endangered animals or on a reserve killing protected wildlife then there's a bigger issue IMHO. Also a lot of people including myself are more emotional to dogs then people. A lot of people suck where Dog is man's best friend. Vick did what he did out of ignorance. I don't hunt but if I could I would.
Sure you do the research. However for me there's just too much smoke and even if he gets out without any prison time, there's just too much there for potential for a criminal case later to pop up in the next couple of years. Then we are back to square one again. Next year we might have our best chance other then 5 yrs ago to pick a top QB potential franchise guy. I'd rather risk getting my guy then passing, having Watson for a year or so, not make it to the SB and then he's in jail. Thats the risk you are taking here. Passing up on a potential player who could be here for awhile in the draft.
I mean the only thing I can think of here is you think differently about hunting and dogs then myself and others. I don't know what those are. I got zero issue people hunting because some in rural areas need to survive off the land as going to a grocery store a few blocks away or the market is not an option and might have to travel 30-40 mins to the closes town. I got issue with hunting for sport, population control? Sure go ahead. Hunting endangered animals? No.
Depends on what blowing up the draft picks farm means exactly. You know what you’re getting in Watson and it’s a young great NFL QB. Is that worth taking the chance on picking the next young great QB?
I don't know. Watson's, without baggage, trade value is PROBABLY every bit HURTS + 2 1sts this year + 1 1st next year AND some combo of 2nds, 3rds and 4ths over the next two years. He's 26. He's prime. He's a great passer. I'm drawing a brain fart....but I don't remember any high level, prime age QB being moved ever.
I’m thinking if you offered 2 first round picks it would be done. He doesn’t want to be there and his value is low. I don’t even know who our competition would be. You hear Miami but doubt they’re giving up on Tua so soon and they don’t have enough anyway.
Why would the Colts being good help us get the 1st rounder? It all just depends on Carson not getting hurt. There's no advantage to our pick if they win. We want them to lose.
I'm sure you eat meat? Wentz' treatment of those animals is far better than the ones that you purchase.
It's sort of tied to them winning, though. If Carson is stinking it up and they are not winning, they probably aren't going to keep playing him (which keeps him from hitting the 75% trigger) so they can keep their 1st rounder.
Yep, true. But I think it's unrealistic that the Colts will be so awful this year that they won't be in the playoff race. They're the favourites to win their div... it would take a miracle for them to not be contenders for at least a playoff spot 75% the way through the season.It's sort of tied to them winning, though. If Carson is stinking it up and they are not winning, they probably aren't going to keep playing him (which keeps him from hitting the 75% trigger) so they can keep their 1st rounder.
What we want to root for is a slight combination of him (staying healthy) and playing just ok and the Colts staying in the playoff race for the first 12 or so games before stinking it up the last few weeks and they miss the playoffs. That gives us a late-teens or early 20's first rounder, which is best case.
If they are out of it, or he's hurt, any earlier than that the Colts will definitely have a higher 1st rounder, but will be keeping it for themselves. The consolation prize is then a high second-rounder.
Worst case is a movie we've all seen before: Wentz plays great, stacks wins then gets hurt in the 12th game before hitting the 75% mark and Jacob Eason comes in and carries them to a Super Bowl. Then we get the last pick in the 2nd round
Thats my point. Thats the rub for me haha.
Ya so they're already gonna do good, we just have to cheer for them to do the worst as possible for a higher 1st rounder
Ah ok, didn't know you were Vegan. I take my statement back, and I can see how you would be upset by Wentz' photos too.
I'd be shocked if the Eagles were that bad this year. This is a gamut team this year. A 5 win season wouldn't be surprising, and neither would a playoff berth. The NFC East in a nutshell basically.
I dunno, I think you're thinking with your heart, not your head. I see 6 wins at best, but 3 at worst. That's a very old defense and a very brittle offensive line. Plus, I don't like Hurts even a little bit.
Here's the thing people forget though. He's absolved of this but this was a civil suit not a lawsuit nor was he or has been charged with a crime. Say a few of the women settle in court though. There is almost TWO DOZEN WOMEN with the same or similar story. Noway this case doesn't pop up again in another year or two when those girls find a capable lawyer who could make charges stick though. Then the Eagles are back to square 1 anyway. That the biggest risk the team is taking with all of this. Just because he gets in the clear now doesn't mean he's not good for the rest of his career. I'd rather let some other team sucker their way into taking Watson and if something pops up and he doesn't play again then thats their problem not us.
