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Nah, there's hurricanes there.G-King said:Personally, my first choice would be Trevor Lawrence and the Florida sun. Give me fishing in the gulf on my off season.
Nah, there's hurricanes there.G-King said:Personally, my first choice would be Trevor Lawrence and the Florida sun. Give me fishing in the gulf on my off season.
G-King said:I’m basing it being the top destination also on Herbert, Keenan, Derwin James, Bosa, Ekeler solid LB crew, etc.
As far as the Eagles, I know you are well aware of the control issues of upper management and the fight over which underachieving QB is going to start. That definitely is a turn off to potential coaching options. And yes, the media and a lot of fans (see in this thread) in that town are relentlessly unappreciative of any thing a coach does. They helped run a Super Bowl winning one out of town (and maybe it was time) but what do you think they will do when the next Vince Lombardi comes in and goes 7-9 two seasons in a row? My opinion is that head coaches are not kicking down Howie the Greats door to lay in that guillotine. Maybe change is coming? Lurie is a helluva good owner, maybe he gives a coach total control and gets the right guy. The players deserve it and so do the fans.
I think LA would be a lot more desirable to some coaches, and a lot less to others. It takes a special coach to want to come to Philly. At the end of the day, I'm not sure if the weather, subway, or natural disasters really matter much at all.Bigboy10182000 said:You based it on much more than the talent you now mention.
Not aware of any upper management issues with which QB to start. There was a time that maybe was an issue and that was like a month ago. By all accounts and purposes everyone seems to agree it’s Wentz
Yes, we do not appreciate when someone does a terrible job. Coaches, like players, work on a limited amount of equity at this level.
And you’re not paying attention. The total control or requesting it is what DOESNT work here. Andy had it and couldn’t handle it, Chip did the same and Doug wanted more as well. And who knows who wants to come here and who doesn’t?
And this is where it’s subjective IMO. You could interview 5 HC candidates and depending on scheme and what they see get 5 separate answers on who they’d rather have.I think you're underrating the importance of a young franchise QB though.. I think that's THE #1 factor in making a team attractive,
Ya I'd put Philly in 4th.https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-head-coaching-vacancies-examining-top-candidates-2020
i just found this and it was obviously written before the Pederson vacancy, but I would agree with the order. I feel like Philly would come in just above or below Atlanta- depending on a few circumstances. Hard to argue with some of the talent on that team, and of course Matty Ryan would be a big decision also.
Possibly. As much as I hate Herbert and love Wentz, I think most coaches would rather Herbert though.And this is where it’s subjective IMO. You could interview 5 HC candidates and depending on scheme and what they see get 5 separate answers on who they’d rather have.
https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-head-coaching-vacancies-examining-top-candidates-2020
i just found this and it was obviously written before the Pederson vacancy, but I would agree with the order. I feel like Philly would come in just above or below Atlanta- depending on a few circumstances. Hard to argue with some of the talent on that team, and of course Matty Ryan would be a big decision also.
4th like below the Jets 4th?Ya I'd put Philly in 4th.
Possibly. As much as I hate Herbert and love Wentz, I think most coaches would rather Herbert though.
Yes. It's not crazy. This article puts the Jets at 3rd and Eagles at 7th. I think it has us too low, but this is not a top 3 job with what's out there this year. The fact that you think we're the 2nd most desirable job is crazy to me.4th like below the Jets 4th?
I have friends in who Live in LA and my best friend she's married to a Chargers fan from SD. This isn't baseless accusations. Most people in California don't care about the Chargers or Rams. A lot of the people who do care are transplants and or celebs who go to games just to have the tabloids writing about them unless you are Jack who's been a huge Lakers fan for yrs now. My point is there's more passionate cities sports Wise then LA. I also had a friend who works as a big time manager for the Whole Foods out there who was evacuated and displaced do to the wildfires and a mudslide. They may have to return home do to the cost of living in California now as well. So my claims aren't baseless. I'm going off of what people have told me. I also had a cousin who lived in SF for awhile and traveled to LA a lot. Its terrible and he's super glad his companies parent location he was able to move SEA and get away from the California. The time he would've spent on the road he gets to spend with his girlfriend now doing stuff had they lived in Cali wouldn't be able to since he had to cancel a ton of times on herG-King said:no one cares? Not one fan? Really? Like they black out Chargers games? I’m not taking cheap shots, but some of your absolutes are a bit outlandish. “No fans, everyone walks around with nose in the air, earthquakes and wildfires.” Come on, YOU should be better than that. Don’t ruin your reputation for mostly very informative inside information on your team with generalized nonsensical accusations of others which you know nothing about.
I'm not saying LA isn't great. I have friends out there but you literally need to be making huge money to want to go there. Also if you want to GO to LA because of media then thats fine but I'd personally rather coach or play for a team where people won't accept avg and fill the stadiums. Not stadiums that are filled 60-75% of the away teams fans that it feels like you play on the road every game.ProstheticRGK said:me personally, I wouldn't consider living in Los Angeles unless I was making huge baller money. And, I'd snap up the Philly job in a heartbeat, but I doubt I'll get an interview.
But, my man, take off the homer glasses for a minute. LA is a much bigger draw than Philly for almost everyone else in the history of everyone.
It's great It feels like a dating profile bio. We just need likes and description of physical traits and we got ourselves an A+ Dating BioThread title.
I'd put the Eagles at 4 or 5 on those lists, depending how you feel about the Falcons. The Lions peak at average 2 or 3 years out of 10 and the Texans are an absolute cluster#### with no draft capital. Both those situations have poor ownership IMO.Yes. It's not crazy. This article puts the Jets at 3rd and Eagles at 7th. I think it has us too low, but this is not a top 3 job with what's out there this year. The fact that you think we're the 2nd most desirable job is crazy to me.
https://www.sportingnews.com/ca/nfl/news/nfl-head-coaching-vacancies-ranked-jaguars-chargers/10f3tou6jqqzm162yvm6i38y8g
Some other ones:
This has us 4th
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/nate-davis/2021/01/11/nfl-2021-seven-head-coaching-jobs-ranked-eagles-jaguars-chargers/6628065002/
This has us 5th
https://www.nj.com/eagles/2021/01/ranking-eagles-head-coaching-vacancy-among-other-nfl-openings-is-it-the-most-appealing-job.html
This has us 6th
https://www.crossingbroad.com/2021/01/the-eagles-head-coach-job-is-not-desirable.html
I can't find a single list that has us in the top 3.
haha that's the point man, jeeeeezzzIt's great It feels like a dating profile bio. We just need likes and description of physical traits and we got ourselves an A+ Dating Bio
Agree. I have us tied with the Falcons for 4th.I'd put the Eagles at 4 or 5 on those lists, depending how you feel about the Falcons. The Lions peak at average 2 or 3 years out of 10 and the Texans are an absolute cluster#### with no draft capital.
Not saying you can't get a great candidate, but when the owner is on record as saying the team needs a multi-year rebuild and the teflon GM isn't held accountable by the owner and is involved in his 3rd coaching hire, I'd be cautious.
Can you explain why you don't like him? Thats a little weird when you got guys like Karem Hunt and Myles Garret playing.I think LA would be a lot more desirable to some coaches, and a lot less to others. It takes a special coach to want to come to Philly. At the end of the day, I'm not sure if the weather, subway, or natural disasters really matter much at all.
If you're going on situation/power/control, that is up for debate and depends on how Howie/Lurie handle the new coach.
I think you're underrating the importance of a young franchise QB though.. I think that's THE #1 factor in making a team attractive, and unfortunately, I think the Chargers have us beat on that one right now (And Herbert is my least fave player in the entire league)
1. I'm a Beavers fan and hate all things Duck related.Can you explain why you don't like him? Thats a little weird when you got guys like Karem Hunt and Myles Garret playing.
I might put us ahead of ATL but I could see us behind ATL. Their issues is they are similar with Cap and they have a QB who right now is getting by on his name recognition. No real young starter waiting in the Wings. They got some nice offensive pieces including Ridley but Julio isn't a spring chicken either. The only good thing of ATL with that Ryan situation is if they let the HC choose who the next QB is.https://www.pff.com/news/nfl-ranking-head-coaching-vacancies-examining-top-candidates-2020
i just found this and it was obviously written before the Pederson vacancy, but I would agree with the order. I feel like Philly would come in just above or below Atlanta- depending on a few circumstances. Hard to argue with some of the talent on that team, and of course Matty Ryan would be a big decision also.
Half of those reasons are why I hate McSorely. Just switch the team to PSU SEC fan in B1G country and it's the same.1. I'm a Beavers fan and hate all things Duck related.
2. He has the most punchable face in the league.
3. He was a Duck.
4. He's quite douchey.
5. He went to Oregon.
Really? Even with those comments, you get a nice place to live and a once in a decade type QB. Easy #1 for me. If you love Fields then I could see the Jets up there even pushing the Chargers for 2nd. But Jax and LAC are the easy top 2 choices for me... lots of cap room, warm cities, and very clear, very young franchise qb's. Those are great spots.I wouldn't put the Jags at #1 though, after the owner's comments on how he will have final say on all personnel decisions, and the way the handled the Yannick Ngokwe situation. Jets / Chargers, then Jags at 3.
Who wants to be the next iteration of the guys who got told to draft Johnny Manziel? QBs are never guaranteed either. I don't follow CFB so have seen very little of any of them, but history says of the 4 people say are Top 10 picks, 2 will be average to bad. Doesn't always go in draft order either.Really? Even with those comments, you get a nice place to live and a once in a decade type QB. Easy #1 for me. If you love Fields then I could see the Jets up there even pushing the Chargers for 2nd. But Jax and LAC are the easy top 2 choices for me... lots of cap room, warm cities, and very clear, very young franchise qb's. Those are great spots.
Lawrence isn't Johnny. He's maybe the best QB prospect outside of Luck and Elway, of all time. Lawrence is not going to bust.Who wants to be the next iteration of the guys who got told to draft Johnny Manziel? QBs are never guaranteed either. I don't follow CFB so have seen very little of any of them, but history says of the 4 people say are Top 10 picks, 2 will be average to bad. Doesn't always go in draft order either.
John McMullenOne of the few Staff decisions Doug got right
@RobMaaddi
I'm told by 2 people with direct knowledge of the situation that Doug Pederson stood up for Frank Reich when management wanted to fire him as OC after the 2016 season. Reich stayed, #Eagles won the Super Bowl the next season and the #Colts hired him away as head coach.
6:57 PM · Jan 12, 2021·Twitter Web App
Well he seems to have turned Trubisky's career around.John McMullen
@JFMcMullen
#Eagles were seriously cosidering elevating John DeFilippo at the time.
Nice try, Doug.One of the few Staff decisions Doug got right
@RobMaaddi
I'm told by 2 people with direct knowledge of the situation that Doug Pederson stood up for Frank Reich when management wanted to fire him as OC after the 2016 season. Reich stayed, #Eagles won the Super Bowl the next season and the #Colts hired him away as head coach.
6:57 PM · Jan 12, 2021·Twitter Web App
Not buying the Trubisky stuff. Mitch looks like a dude whos always gonna be inconsistent. Doesn't mean the dude isn't a good coach just was able to coach him to be consistent enough for this year. I think CHI needs to move on from both QBs, find a stop gap for a year or 2, draft a guy next year and let said QB play when readyWell he seems to have turned Trubisky's career around.
Joe Douglas and Doug are pretty close I've heard so I can see him going there but I don't see the Jets having much either. Douglas didn't impress me especially if he was the one who decided on taking guys like Sidney Jones, Pumphrey, etc etc.And I can’t think is anything the Jets have better than us besides the 2nd overall pick.
Wasn't comparing those two players, just making the point about what happens when owners start meddling in decisions. Even if Lawrence doesn't bust, he might turn out to be just pretty good as well, like Matt Stafford.Lawrence isn't Johnny. He's maybe the best QB prospect outside of Luck and Elway, of all time. Lawrence is not going to bust.
This is what I was alluding to earlier. Lurie is in there and knows who’s calling for who. I’m not giving Howie a pass but I’m sure there’s cases where he wanted a superior player only to be overruled by coaches. When Lurie chuckled and said something like “maybe I’ll write a book some day” it led me to believe this was the case.
I was curious to see how this shook out. If Douglas passes on Doug that’s pretty telling right?Joe Douglas and Doug are pretty close I've heard so I can see him going there but I don't see the Jets having much either. Douglas didn't impress me especially if he was the one who decided on taking guys like Sidney Jones, Pumphrey, etc etc.
More control of the rosterAnd I can’t think is anything the Jets have better than us besides the 2nd overall pick.
I think with Lawrence it's pretty much a guarantee he will be a pro-bowler though. I'd put it above 95% barring injury. I don't remember Carr or Bradford having remotely close to this much hype and "can't miss" potential.Wasn't comparing those two players, just making the point about what happens when owners start meddling in decisions. Even if Lawrence doesn't bust, he might turn out to be just pretty good as well, like Matt Stafford.
Guys like David Carr and Sam Bradford were considered can't miss future stars as well. Not saying he won't be good / great, just that there's no guarantees.
What do you mean more control over the roster? That well respected GM was on the hot seat just this past year for his moves.More control of the roster
An abundance of draft capital (4 first round picks in the next 2 years)
The second-best cap situation in the league (2nd only to Jax)
A well-respected GM
2nd Overall pick (Justin Fields?)
4 first round picks is huge. As is the cap room... they have a TON of it.What do you mean more control over the roster? That well respected GM was on the hot seat just this past year for his moves.
The draft capital is there and who knows how they use the cap. Their roster is one of the few that’s worse than ours as well. They’re bad and have been bad for a long, long time.
I loved Howie before but he definitely should be gone but I think this is one of those cases where Howie should be commended on. It sounds like from everything Howie and Doug butted heads. Howie taking from his Kelly experience decided to try and be the bigger person and give Doug and his staff a few things they wanted hoping to smooth over relations even if Howie wanted a different guy instead. In the long run it didn't work. I'm starting to think the coaching staff stuff was more of Howie and Jeff trying to save Pederson from himself too.This is what I was alluding to earlier. Lurie is in there and knows who’s calling for who. I’m not giving Howie a pass but I’m sure there’s cases where he wanted a superior player only to be overruled by coaches. When Lurie chuckled and said something like “maybe I’ll write a book some day” it led me to believe this was the case.
I would think that would be. A lot are thinking now that Doug is free he might be the Jets #1 guy but what if Doug passes on the job or if Douglas passes on Doug? Those are both pretty telling IMHO.I was curious to see how this shook out. If Douglas passes on Doug that’s pretty telling right?
Those guys are just journalists. The same ones that made Gase, Chip etc gurus. They’re not involved in the league past that nor are they analysts even. They’re us basically lol4 first round picks is huge. As is the cap room... they have a TON of it.
As for more control, we don't know how much they'll give the new coach, but he'll certainly have more reign of his draft than the Eagles coach will. Howie isn't letting that go.
Either way, you're welcome to your opinion. But the OVERWHELMING opinion around the league and from analysts, is that the Jets gig is more attractive than ours.
Sure, but there's merit in what they say. More cap, More picks, potentially less locker room/FO drama, easier media to deal with (which seems crazy since they're NYC).... C'mon man, their situation is better. It is what it is.Those guys are just journalists. The same ones that made Gase, Chip etc gurus. They’re not involved in the league past that nor are they analysts even. They’re us basically lol
Yeah and it’s tough to discuss without actually knowing.I loved Howie before but he definitely should be gone but I think this is one of those cases where Howie should be commended on. It sounds like from everything Howie and Doug butted heads. Howie taking from his Kelly experience decided to try and be the bigger person and give Doug and his staff a few things they wanted hoping to smooth over relations even if Howie wanted a different guy instead. In the long run it didn't work. I'm starting to think the coaching staff stuff was more of Howie and Jeff trying to save Pederson from himself too.
Our cap situation will be fine in 2022, assuming we dont try to run it back. We just have to make the hard cuts this year.More control of the roster
An abundance of draft capital (4 first round picks in the next 2 years)
The second-best cap situation in the league (2nd only to Jax)
A well-respected GM
2nd Overall pick (Justin Fields?)
Sure, but the Jets' cap situation is still better... that's all I claimed.Our cap situation will be fine in 2022, assuming we dont try to run it back. We just have to make the hard cuts this year.
This is why.More control of the roster
An abundance of draft capital (4 first round picks in the next 2 years)
The second-best cap situation in the league (2nd only to Jax)
A well-respected GM
2nd Overall pick (Justin Fields?)
It’s the Jets. Team is awful, GM on the hot seat, owner accused of racist and sexist comments, decades of being awful and they 100% have worse media. You won’t find a worse media in the country. That’s why I call ours NY jr all the time lolSure, but there's merit in what they say. More cap, More picks, potentially less locker room/FO drama, easier media to deal with (which seems crazy since they're NYC).... C'mon man, their situation is better. It is what it is.
Well again, the majority of people disagree with you and there's a reason for it.It’s the Jets. Team is awful, GM on the hot seat, owner accused of racist and sexist comments, decades of being awful and they 100% have worse media. You won’t find a worse media in the country. That’s why I call ours NY jr all the time lol