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5 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Tony Pauline, who called us picking Reagor last year, reported today that we LOVE Paye and could pick him at 12.

If we pick him over a WR or a CB I’m logging off lol

I said weeks ago we're probably picking a DE at 12.  I do still think CB is a much better use, because we are completely bare at CB - but a DE is a need as well.

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Coach K announcing his retirement, followed by a Lakers season-ending loss and the Yankees lose today as well.  Just a brutal 48 hours for Cowboy fans 

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Whoever this guy in the Eagles draft room is, he did NOT like the Milton Williams pick 

30 minutes ago, Deamon said:

That's 4 Jalen's too many on our team.

Waddle is the only one deserving the Jalen name 

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43 minutes ago, Ash said:

Not sure where Jaelan Phillips will go, UCLA doctors refused to clear him due to several concussions and he initially retired before transferring to Miami.  Big candidate for a Chris Borland style early retirement IMO, even if he doesn't get another concussion.

No idea how that plays into when he goes, but for me it would be 3rd?  Or do you just take him off the board altogether?  I'd hate to pick a guy with his history, then have him get another concussion and wind up with some kind of permanent health impact afterwards.

I think he'll be a 1st rounder. It just takes 1 team, and in a draft full of raw, potential edge rusher talent, he is probably a 30-40% chance Phillips is the first pass rusher off the board.

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9 hours ago, Deamon said:

I'm pretty sure he's going Top 20. He's been constantly mocked to the Giants at 11 or else in the mid to late teens. 

If Howie picks the first dlineman in a historically bad dlineman class that sounds about right.  Showing everyone how much smarter he is than anyone else on earth.

This Michigan guy isn't even the best dlineman either.   Ugh

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44 minutes ago, need2know said:

If Howie picks the first dlineman in a historically bad dlineman class that sounds about right.  Showing everyone how much smarter he is than anyone else on earth.

This Michigan guy isn't even the best dlineman either.   Ugh

I'm not saying it wouldn't be bad. I don't want him either. But he's gonna go top 20 and seems to be the most commonly taken first DL-man off the board in most mocks. 

 

Hoping the giants take him. 

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1 hour ago, Deamon said:

I'm not saying it wouldn't be bad. I don't want him either. But he's gonna go top 20 and seems to be the most commonly taken first DL-man off the board in most mocks. 

 

Hoping the giants take him. 

Me too

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12 hours ago, babydemon90 said:

I said weeks ago we're probably picking a DE at 12.  I do still think CB is a much better use, because we are completely bare at CB - but a DE is a need as well.

Yep and we didn’t sign a single CB all off season. Also, we have not had a wide receiver gain 1,000 yards in a season since 2014. That’s 6 straight years. 

They are the only team in the NFL without at least one WR to gain 1,000 yards during that time. 

That’s gross incompetence. They can’t afford to pass on a WR in the 1st.

The first two picks HAVE to be WR and CB and at this stage I don’t care which goes first but it HAS to be those positions and they HAVE to be in the field week 1. 

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Man remember that Lito, Sheldon, Michael Lewis, Bwest draft? Seems like a million years ago. 

We drafted all those guys with Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent and Duce Staley still on the team. 

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18 minutes ago, Insein said:

Man remember that Lito, Sheldon, Michael Lewis, Bwest draft? Seems like a million years ago. 

We drafted all those guys with Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent and Duce Staley still on the team. 

Good times 

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i have tuned out Eagles stuff until this week. I know WR has been the talk for most of the off-season, but if we go with Smith are we not basically saying Raegor is a lost cause and they totally screwed that pick up? Giving up on Raegor already seems like a big mistake, can Raegor and Smith play on the field at the same time?

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If I'm left with the choice of Devonta Smith or trading back and accumulating more assets (#TrustTheProcess2!!!!!!!),  I'd like the assets.  Sure, that's just more picks for Howie to outsmart the league with, but Devonta Smith feels more like a luxury than a building block.  I think Smith will be successful in the league as the league moves more towards less/lighter contact, but initially  I think he'll need to go to a team/be with a coach who will hide him enough on the field to get him into space.  He seems more suited to being a great number 2 than a true number 1 and the Eagles just don't have enough talent around him. He doesn't feel like a 8-14 targets a game guy and I don't really trust the Eagles enough to reliably or creatively get him more touches.

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6 minutes ago, Thunderlips said:

If I'm left with the choice of Devonta Smith or trading back and accumulating more assets (#TrustTheProcess2!!!!!!!),  I'd like the assets.  Sure, that's just more picks for Howie to outsmart the league with, but Devonta Smith feels more like a luxury than a building block.  I think Smith will be successful in the league as the league moves more towards less/lighter contact, but initially  I think he'll need to go to a team/be with a coach who will hide him enough on the field to get him into space.  He seems more suited to being a great number 2 than a true number 1 and the Eagles just don't have enough talent around him. He doesn't feel like a 8-14 targets a game guy and I don't really trust the Eagles enough to reliably or creatively get him more touches.

smith is a high target guy.  he just had 117 recs 1,856 yards and 23 tds in 13 games

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1 hour ago, Insein said:

Man remember that Lito, Sheldon, Michael Lewis, Bwest draft? Seems like a million years ago. 

We drafted all those guys with Bobby Taylor, Troy Vincent and Duce Staley still on the team. 

Great times and I didn't have people accusing me of Florida biased with Lito either because he was so good. No one forgets Sheldon turning Reggie Bush's lights out in the playoff game and Lewis was a great support Safety for BDawk at the time. Westbrook could do it all on offense. 

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29 minutes ago, modogg said:

i have tuned out Eagles stuff until this week. I know WR has been the talk for most of the off-season, but if we go with Smith are we not basically saying Raegor is a lost cause and they totally screwed that pick up? Giving up on Raegor already seems like a big mistake, can Raegor and Smith play on the field at the same time?

Reagor was a lost cause the minute we drafted him over Jefferson. The top WRs in this draft are better then him. I don't see Reagor being anything more then a return specialist gadget player. 

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15 minutes ago, Thunderlips said:

If I'm left with the choice of Devonta Smith or trading back and accumulating more assets (#TrustTheProcess2!!!!!!!),  I'd like the assets.  Sure, that's just more picks for Howie to outsmart the league with, but Devonta Smith feels more like a luxury than a building block.  I think Smith will be successful in the league as the league moves more towards less/lighter contact, but initially  I think he'll need to go to a team/be with a coach who will hide him enough on the field to get him into space.  He seems more suited to being a great number 2 than a true number 1 and the Eagles just don't have enough talent around him. He doesn't feel like a 8-14 targets a game guy and I don't really trust the Eagles enough to reliably or creatively get him more touches.

No thanks Lurie has some respect. We're the football team from Philly. 

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9 minutes ago, need2know said:

smith is a high target guy.  he just had 117 recs 1,856 yards and 23 tds in 13 games

I know.  That's college though.  The world is filled with college greats who didn't pan out.  There's something about him* that I'm leery of.

 

* To be fair to him though....I think it's not quite "something about him"....it's "something about him with the Eagles" that makes me leery.  If Belichek, Reid, Payton....any of these guys were getting him; I'd pencil him in as NFL Elite.  

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15 minutes ago, Thunderlips said:

He doesn't feel like a 8-14 targets a game guy and I don't really trust the Eagles enough to reliably or creatively get him more touches.

Have to also consider the quality results of his targets. Tyreek Hill averages 7 targets a game, but his 14 yards/rec and 10 yards/target are what make him an impact player. Even Marvin Harrison, who Smith is most compared to only averaged 9 targets/game, which is barely on the low end of that 8-14 range. 

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14 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

Reagor was a lost cause the minute we drafted him over Jefferson. The top WRs in this draft are better then him. I don't see Reagor being anything more then a return specialist gadget player. 

i'll disagree a bit. considering no off-season, and the QB excahnges from last year, i really don't think he is a lost cause already. Could be a quality WR still, jury definitely still out

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2 minutes ago, modogg said:

i'll disagree a bit. considering no off-season, and the QB excahnges from last year, i really don't think he is a lost cause already. Could be a quality WR still, jury definitely still out

i think putting a great wr with him is what he really needs 

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1 hour ago, modogg said:

i have tuned out Eagles stuff until this week. I know WR has been the talk for most of the off-season, but if we go with Smith are we not basically saying Raegor is a lost cause and they totally screwed that pick up? Giving up on Raegor already seems like a big mistake, can Raegor and Smith play on the field at the same time?

I don’t think it’s a sign that they gave up on him but the position just needs more talent overall. If you can pair Smith with Reagor that’s a good start. Than the coaches have to get more growth from Fulgham, Hightower and Watkins. It would be a talented young core to start with. Also most good teams today have 2-3 good WRs. 

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58 minutes ago, modogg said:

i'll disagree a bit. considering no off-season, and the QB excahnges from last year, i really don't think he is a lost cause already. Could be a quality WR still, jury definitely still out

totally agree.  reagor just witnessed his qb and coach getting canned in his rookie year because of how bad they were. start producing or you are out. that's a pretty serious lesson to learn in year 1 and hopefully he gets it.   anyone can say oh well they know all this going in.   when you see the top end guys you work with getting shipped off or fired it makes an impression.  you dont forget that.  just saying this for all the young guys on the team.  not just reagor

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2 hours ago, need2know said:

i think putting a great wr with him is what he really needs 

exactly. Getting someone to take the pressure off could be what he needs to succeed. Yes, we all wanted Jefferson (or Lamb), but can't change that now. Now, how best to help Reagor succeed is the question.  Many WR's don't do well their first year, its waaay too early to write him off.

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I also think the coaching staff was a #### show last year. So I can't properly evaluate how good or bad Reagor is based on how they were utilizing WRs. 

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Eagles drafts, by year, with how many of their picks have played a full NFL season as a starter for the team since being drafted:

2016: 3* (Wentz (2x) & Seumalo (1x), plus Mills started 15 games in '17 but sat out the meaningless W17 game)

2017: 0

2018: 0

2019: 0

2020: 0

36 players drafted in the last 5 years and only 3 have contributed as a starter for at least one entire season (8.3%).

Of the possible 107 seasons a draft pick from the last 5 years could have started all 16 games, it's only happened 4 times (3.7%).

That's some seriously poor drafting with a good dose of bad injury luck thrown in. Yikes. 

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11 minutes ago, The Noid said:

Eagles drafts, by year, with how many of their picks have played a full NFL season as a starter for the team since being drafted:

2016: 3* (Wentz (2x) & Seumalo (1x), plus Mills started 15 games in '17 but sat out the meaningless W17 game)

2017: 0

2018: 0

2019: 0

2020: 0

36 players drafted in the last 5 years and only 3 have contributed as a starter for at least one entire season (8.3%).

Of the possible 107 seasons a draft pick from the last 5 years could have started all 16 games, it's only happened 4 times (3.7%).

That's some seriously poor drafting with a good dose of bad injury luck thrown in. Yikes. 

thats depressing

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4 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Yep and we didn’t sign a single CB all off season. Also, we have not had a wide receiver gain 1,000 yards in a season since 2014. That’s 6 straight years. 

They are the only team in the NFL without at least one WR to gain 1,000 yards during that time. 

That’s gross incompetence. They can’t afford to pass on a WR in the 1st.

The first two picks HAVE to be WR and CB and at this stage I don’t care which goes first but it HAS to be those positions and they HAVE to be in the field week 1. 

We’ve been crippling our QBs with bad WRs since McNabb.  Apart from a few years with Jackson and Maclin they’ve had bad WRs since the 90s.  Hopefully that position being Sirianni’s specialty can turn things around.

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27 minutes ago, The Noid said:

Eagles drafts, by year, with how many of their picks have played a full NFL season as a starter for the team since being drafted:

2016: 3* (Wentz (2x) & Seumalo (1x), plus Mills started 15 games in '17 but sat out the meaningless W17 game)

2017: 0

2018: 0

2019: 0

2020: 0

36 players drafted in the last 5 years and only 3 have contributed as a starter for at least one entire season (8.3%).

Of the possible 107 seasons a draft pick from the last 5 years could have started all 16 games, it's only happened 4 times (3.7%).

That's some seriously poor drafting with a good dose of bad injury luck thrown in. Yikes. 

Not disagreeing that the drafting has been bad, but Barnett, Maddox?  Or are you only counting a full season of 16 games started?

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5 hours ago, modogg said:

i have tuned out Eagles stuff until this week. I know WR has been the talk for most of the off-season, but if we go with Smith are we not basically saying Raegor is a lost cause and they totally screwed that pick up? Giving up on Raegor already seems like a big mistake, can Raegor and Smith play on the field at the same time?

WE can play, um, 2 or 3 WRs on the field at the same time. Even 4 or 5 on (rare) snaps.

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4 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

Reagor was a lost cause the minute we drafted him over Jefferson. The top WRs in this draft are better then him. I don't see Reagor being anything more then a return specialist gadget player. 

Honestly think this is revisionist history. Reagor was panned as a good pick (often mocked ahead of Jefferson), and it's far too early to throw in the towel on him.

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3 hours ago, renesauz said:

WE can play, um, 2 or 3 WRs on the field at the same time. Even 4 or 5 on (rare) snaps.

Yeah but you get an X and Y Wr. Would you really see a lineup with like Alston Jeffrey and say Jason avant? You need an X to spread the field and a Y to be a big body over the middle 

 

I assume with ertz leaving the eagles will not be going as much 12 man person e. Which will be nice 

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4 hours ago, Ash said:

Not disagreeing that the drafting has been bad, but Barnett, Maddox?  Or are you only counting a full season of 16 games started?

add Mailata too since I think he can be a starter for sometime with us. Throw in Driscoll or some of the other OL pairings and those numbers should change. 
 

also add the heavy favor of veteran players the last few years. Keeping JP in there forever, or going back to Alston Jeffrey can be considered terrible calls. And if fulgham continues to develop I’ll be more than happy to credit the eagles for grabbing and developing him and Alex singleton 

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8 hours ago, modogg said:

i'll disagree a bit. considering no off-season, and the QB excahnges from last year, i really don't think he is a lost cause already. Could be a quality WR still, jury definitely still out

I don't see him anymore then a slot guy In the NFL honestly with return specialist ability. Nothing wrong with that but considering the guys available when we took him it's a bad pick 

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On 4/26/2021 at 12:59 PM, The Noid said:

Let's make this draft, and all the possibilities (horrible or exciting), a little more fun by playing the "Predict what the Eagles will do in the 1st round" game. Winner gets a TBD Eagles-related prize. Here are the rules:

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             1. Stay at 12/Trade Up/Trade Down

             2. Player they will pick with their first pick in the draft

             3. Guess the # of total letters in the full first and last name of the final player the Eagles select 

  • One entry per FBG
  • Entries locked in at noon EST, Thursday (no edits to entry post after that time)
  • #3 above will be used as the first tie-breaker (closest correct guess, high or low), second tie breaker will be random selection using random.org

1. Trade up (8)

2. Ja’marr Chase

3. 13

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4 hours ago, renesauz said:

Honestly think this is revisionist history. Reagor was panned as a good pick (often mocked ahead of Jefferson), and it's far too early to throw in the towel on him.

Not really I was on the Jefferson bandwagon before a lot of people last year. I was yelling for Jefferson in this draft for awhile. 

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5 hours ago, Ash said:

Not disagreeing that the drafting has been bad, but Barnett, Maddox?  Or are you only counting a full season of 16 games started?

Just starting a full season of 16 games 

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An NFC executive told ESPN that he believes that Alabama WR Jaylen Waddle is the "best player in the entire draft."

ESPN's Jeremy Fowler and Dan Graziano pass along that current buzz has the Eagles keen on Waddle. To the point where Philadelphia might trade up to get him. The reporters note that because Dallas (No. 10) and the New York Giants (No. 11) both have picks ahead of the Eagles (No. 12) right now, any trade up would likely need to be with another outfit -- simply due to the fact that all three teams are in the NFC East and thus (presumably) won't be trading with each other. As for who could be a willing trade partner should Philly really, truly be enamored with Waddle, look toward the Lions (No. 7) and the Panthers (No. 8). 

 

Please be true

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On 4/26/2021 at 12:59 PM, The Noid said:

Let's make this draft, and all the possibilities (horrible or exciting), a little more fun by playing the "Predict what the Eagles will do in the 1st round" game. Winner gets a TBD Eagles-related prize. Here are the rules:

  • Reply to this post
  • Indicate three things:

             1. Stay at 12/Trade Up/Trade Down

             2. Player they will pick with their first pick in the draft

             3. Guess the # of total letters in the full first and last name of the final player the Eagles select 

  • One entry per FBG
  • Entries locked in at noon EST, Thursday (no edits to entry post after that time)
  • #3 above will be used as the first tie-breaker (closest correct guess, high or low), second tie breaker will be random selection using random.org

1. Trade up to 8 with Carolina

2. Waddle but I wouldn't be shocked if there's a surprise if someone else slips

3. I'm holding at 21 

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7 hours ago, renesauz said:

Honestly think this is revisionist history. Reagor was panned as a good pick (often mocked ahead of Jefferson), and it's far too early to throw in the towel on him.

Usually agree with everything you post, but Reagor was given average to below average grades by almost every media outlet.  I look at a TON of mocks and I never saw a single one that had him above Jefferson.

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39 minutes ago, Deamon said:

Usually agree with everything you post, but Reagor was given average to below average grades by almost every media outlet.  I look at a TON of mocks and I never saw a single one that had him above Jefferson.

But that 40 time

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Here's the Dream.

JAX- Lawrence
NYJ- Wilson
SF- Jones
ATL- Pitts
CIN- Sewell
MIA- Chase
DET- Fields
CAR- Surtain
DEN- Lance 
DAL- Parsons
NYG- Smith
PHI- Waddle

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16 hours ago, Ash said:

Not disagreeing that the drafting has been bad, but Barnett, Maddox?  Or are you only counting a full season of 16 games started?

Right, full season as a starter. Guys like Barnett and Maddox are part of the injury/health luck I mentioned. Even when we have found someone in the draft that can be a "starter", they can't even give us a full season. 

For comparison:

  • The Vikings' last two 1st overall picks already have as many "full season as a starter" seasons (3) as all 36 players the Eagles have drafted in the last 5 years.
  • Cowboys have at least 14 (maybe more if you count similar Jalen Mills-type situations) "full season as a starter" seasons from their last 5 years of drafts. 
  • 11 teams have at least ONE PLAYER they drafted in the last 5 years that has had as many (or more)  "full season as a starter" seasons (3) as ALL of the Eagles draftees combined the last 5 years.
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12 hours ago, modogg said:

add Mailata too since I think he can be a starter for sometime with us. Throw in Driscoll or some of the other OL pairings and those numbers should change. 
 

also add the heavy favor of veteran players the last few years. Keeping JP in there forever, or going back to Alston Jeffrey can be considered terrible calls. And if fulgham continues to develop I’ll be more than happy to credit the eagles for grabbing and developing him and Alex singleton 

Man this needs more attention, because it's a huge part of what killed us, imo. You draft Dillard in the first and don't start him?  Then a freak injury, and we have no idea what we have in him 2 years later and he's way behind the curve.

Add trading 3rd rounders for one year rentals into this too.  We tried way way way too hard to push the 2017 model and it cost us.

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17 hours ago, Ash said:

Not disagreeing that the drafting has been bad, but Barnett, Maddox?  Or are you only counting a full season of 16 games started?

Yeah, and Miles Sanders and Goedert are good.  Howie still sucks though.

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9 hours ago, Deamon said:

Usually agree with everything you post, but Reagor was given average to below average grades by almost every media outlet.  I look at a TON of mocks and I never saw a single one that had him above Jefferson.

NFL.com had them graded very close at 6.36 and 6.46. And I don’t look at a ton of mocks but revisionist history is in full swing with Jefferson, IMO. After Lamb the WR’s that were left all had concerning issues. 

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