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2 hours ago, jasvic said:

The tweet he was relying to was this. Basically believe nothing unless Les comes out later and hears the same.  It’s draft season and we are gonna pick everyone

“Great respect for @mortreport but if the Eagles really are sure about Jalen Hurts going forward, that’s a conclusion they have come to very very very recently, and I don’t think he’s produced any new tape to evaluate.”

**ETA** The surrounding him with talent comes on the heels of us discussing trading Brandon Brooks, so there’s that as well lol

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I think the Lurie thing is overblown. If he's that involved, we should be having multiple reports from the local sources confirming it. This sounds like the owner said, "don't leave Hurts out to dry like you did Wentz so we can see what we have before paying him" and it got twisted to "Lurie says make Hurts the starter or else."

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3 hours ago, jasvic said:

Take Lurie with a Grain of Salt here. He was 100% on siding with Carson till the very last minute. There's about 80% of the team right now who doesn't trust Hurts for now or in the future. I think this is a smoke screen as I believe the Eagles will take a QB at some point this year. 

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1 hour ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

The tweet he was relying to was this. Basically believe nothing unless Les comes out later and hears the same.  It’s draft season and we are gonna pick everyone

“Great respect for @mortreport but if the Eagles really are sure about Jalen Hurts going forward, that’s a conclusion they have come to very very very recently, and I don’t think he’s produced any new tape to evaluate.”

**ETA** The surrounding him with talent comes on the heels of us discussing trading Brandon Brooks, so there’s that as well lol

Yeah take when Lurie says with a grain of salt. If they did come to this decision it just happened because back in January everyone who I talked to said gun to their head pick a '22 QB1 for the Eagles and most said if the Eagles don't make the proper changes Carson wants neither Hurts/Wentz will be on the team. Not sure how you can go from one extreme to the he's the guy.

Surrounding Hurts with talent clearly tells me the Eagles know he's not as talented as Wentz was and needs guys around him to succeed. Hurts has to manage the game for them. That's all that says to me 

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18 minutes ago, Insein said:

I think the Lurie thing is overblown. If he's that involved, we should be having multiple reports from the local sources confirming it. This sounds like the owner said, "don't leave Hurts out to dry like you did Wentz so we can see what we have before paying him" and it got twisted to "Lurie says make Hurts the starter or else."

Lurie and others don't necessary believe in Hurts. So like I said months ago take whatever he says with a huge grain of salt 

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53 minutes ago, Insein said:

I think the Lurie thing is overblown. If he's that involved, we should be having multiple reports from the local sources confirming it. This sounds like the owner said, "don't leave Hurts out to dry like you did Wentz so we can see what we have before paying him" and it got twisted to "Lurie says make Hurts the starter or else."

Agreed 

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1 hour ago, Insein said:

I think the Lurie thing is overblown. If he's that involved, we should be having multiple reports from the local sources confirming it. This sounds like the owner said, "don't leave Hurts out to dry like you did Wentz so we can see what we have before paying him" and it got twisted to "Lurie says make Hurts the starter or else."

Also I agree. We'd have already had multiple reports. Only Thing I go by is just take it with a grain of salt what Lurie says. He's more involved then he says but how involved he is, is overblown. 

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3 minutes ago, Deranged Hermit said:

If they aren't taking a QB, I'm trying to move up a bit to get Sewell. Failing that, Chase or Pitts, in that order. One of the three will be there since 3 QB are likely going in the top five before them.

 

Honestly I think it's all a smoke screen They know what they want. I think if there's a QB they like that drops later they will take him. Other then that I think they take a WR/Pitts at #6. I'm not wasting draft picks to move up. We need them. If whats not there at #6 then I trade back a little for more picks maybe try and snag a 3rd this year and something for next year. 

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2 hours ago, Insein said:

Trading back to 8 if the Panthers want a QB makes the most sense. Maybe get a 3rd+ and still be in position to take the guy they want. 

I would imagine they would have the choice of two of the top three WR and probably Pitts. Guessing would come down to if there was one of who they fell in love with. 

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33 minutes ago, Deranged Hermit said:

I would imagine they would have the choice of two of the top three WR and probably Pitts. Guessing would come down to if there was one of who they fell in love with. 

So, they trade down and instead choose the 4th or 5th best wide receiver?

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27 minutes ago, rzrback77 said:

So, they trade down and instead choose the 4th or 5th best wide receiver?

???

If they trade to 8 as was suggested in the previous post, one of Pitts, Chase, Devonta or Waddle should be there. Probably more than one.

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I know Carson is gone and had a bad year but it was still the right decision to pay him when they did. If he had stayed on track, he was making $26m a year. Dak is going to get $42m a year for the next 3 years. Jesus. 

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18 minutes ago, Insein said:

I know Carson is gone and had a bad year but it was still the right decision to pay him when they did. If he had stayed on track, he was making $26m a year. Dak is going to get $42m a year for the next 3 years. Jesus. 

Yeah, that's the downside of waiting to pay a QB.  He had no reason to do a deal that wasn't clearly better than getting franchised and testing the market.

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21 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Two different mocks I saw today had phi taking a qb in round 1 -  Trade up for fields in 1; taking Mac at 6.

The more the Eagles are mocked taking a QB, the more confident I am that they are not taking a QB. 

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1 hour ago, Insein said:

Jesus Christ that Dak deal.

What have I been saying for the last few yrs now? The Cowboys will get desperate and overpay DAK. They had no out. They could franchise him again but they got cap issues this year as well. DAL was negotiating without any ammo left. After last year how DAK played and I'm sure how the Carson thing went down DAL didn't want to question themselves on the QB situation. Horrible contract from the team stand point. Great for DAK though 

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14 minutes ago, Deranged Hermit said:

Oooofff, Mac at 6.? Eagles fans would have issue with that I'm sure. 

I'll take Mac over Justin Fields any day of the week and twice on Sundays. I think he's this drafts most underrated QB and is gonna surprise some people. Fields is way too inconsistent for me 

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6 minutes ago, Insein said:

The more the Eagles are mocked taking a QB, the more confident I am that they are not taking a QB. 

I think they will take a QB in this draft but it's gonna be no one a lot of people are thinking of. 

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36 minutes ago, The Dude said:

Two different mocks I saw today had phi taking a qb in round 1 -  Trade up for fields in 1; taking Mac at 6.

Would be surprised if either of these happened.  Am fine with Fields but not with a trade up.  Mac at 6 would be rough.

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1 minute ago, Deamon said:

Would be surprised if either of these happened.  Am fine with Fields but not with a trade up.  Mac at 6 would be rough.

Not that he's always right, but Chris Simms had them like this:

  1. Zach Wilson
  2. Trevor Lawrence
  3. Mac Jones
  4. Kellen Mond
  5. Justin Fields
  6. Trey Lance

For comparison, he had Tua at #4 last year and Herbert at #2 after Burrow.  That doesn't mean I want Mac Jones at 6, but I would like to have a QB who can work the quick game as well as be able to go downfield.  Lance is very raw and Fields has a cannon and is accurate but with a slow release and a bad habit of hanging in the pocket.

In the end, I think after the first two, however you rank them, there will be better players at #6 than any of the remaining QBs.

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2 minutes ago, Ash said:

Not that he's always right, but Chris Simms had them like this:

  1. Zach Wilson
  2. Trevor Lawrence
  3. Mac Jones
  4. Kellen Mond
  5. Justin Fields
  6. Trey Lance

For comparison, he had Tua at #4 last year and Herbert at #2 after Burrow.  That doesn't mean I want Mac Jones at 6, but I would like to have a QB who can work the quick game as well as be able to go downfield.  Lance is very raw and Fields has a cannon and is accurate but with a slow release and a bad habit of hanging in the pocket.

In the end, I think after the first two, however you rank them, there will be better players at #6 than any of the remaining QBs.

a 4th round prospect in Mond as the #4 QB?  Oof.

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7 hours ago, Insein said:

I think the Lurie thing is overblown. If he's that involved, we should be having multiple reports from the local sources confirming it. This sounds like the owner said, "don't leave Hurts out to dry like you did Wentz so we can see what we have before paying him" and it got twisted to "Lurie says make Hurts the starter or else."

It’s foolish to think that all that is true and factual in a guarded organization makes it to the press and subsequent public. 

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3 minutes ago, Ash said:

Not that he's always right, but Chris Simms had them like this:

  1. Zach Wilson
  2. Trevor Lawrence
  3. Mac Jones
  4. Kellen Mond
  5. Justin Fields
  6. Trey Lance

For comparison, he had Tua at #4 last year and Herbert at #2 after Burrow.  That doesn't mean I want Mac Jones at 6, but I would like to have a QB who can work the quick game as well as be able to go downfield.  Lance is very raw and Fields has a cannon and is accurate but with a slow release and a bad habit of hanging in the pocket.

In the end, I think after the first two, however you rank them, there will be better players at #6 than any of the remaining QBs.

That's where I'm at on QB. Also I'd put Trask well before Kellen Mond. I've seen that guy play and he's not that impressive and to have Mond over Fields and Lance is laughable to me as well. However going back to the QBs after the first two I look at it like this. Is any of the QBs after them worth taking in the top 10 and where would you rank these guys if the QB class from the year before was available? Would #s 2.3 and 4th QB options be ahead of last years at those spots? if the answer is no you go with the other positions available prospect wise. 

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4 minutes ago, Deamon said:

a 4th round prospect in Mond as the #4 QB?  Oof.

I saw the rankings on twitter before but until now I hadn't noticed how high he put Mond. 

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i know this is pure Wentz drama, but:

Dov Kleiman

@NFL_DovKleiman

#Eagles QB Jalen Hurts said Carson Wentz has not spoken to him since Wentz was traded to the #Colts last month.

i guess that isn't too abnormal, but still seems awfully petty

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1 hour ago, Deamon said:

a 4th round prospect in Mond as the #4 QB?  Oof.

I like listening to him because he doesn't just go with the groupthink and always has a reason for how he ranks them.  He's wrong sometimes sure, but he also talks at times about guys he's been wrong on, and what he's learned from it.

 

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1 hour ago, DJackson10 said:

That's where I'm at on QB. Also I'd put Trask well before Kellen Mond. I've seen that guy play and he's not that impressive and to have Mond over Fields and Lance is laughable to me as well. However going back to the QBs after the first two I look at it like this. Is any of the QBs after them worth taking in the top 10 and where would you rank these guys if the QB class from the year before was available? Would #s 2.3 and 4th QB options be ahead of last years at those spots? if the answer is no you go with the other positions available prospect wise. 

I think Fields has a pretty low floor.  From Simms POV, he struggles with pre snap recognition, holds the ball and thinks he can shake off rushers like 2010 Big Ben, and that's the kind of thing that can turn a guy into a bust in a couple of years.  

I'm getting pretty comfortable there's only 2 QBs I'd take at 6 and they'll both be gone.  Otherwise I think they're better off taking whoever is still that that has a chance to be elite, with a high floor.

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1 hour ago, JetMaxx said:

It’s foolish to think that all that is true and factual in a guarded organization makes it to the press and subsequent public. 

It's been years since these rumors have surfaced. No one has ever clarified it? No former employees or players have spilled the beans? No one has ever open d up after leaving that Lurie secretly meddles in team affairs? No reporter has any connections that can't get the real story? Come on now. 

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1 hour ago, modogg said:

i know this is pure Wentz drama, but:

Dov Kleiman

@NFL_DovKleiman

#Eagles QB Jalen Hurts said Carson Wentz has not spoken to him since Wentz was traded to the #Colts last month.

i guess that isn't too abnormal, but still seems awfully petty

I mean would you talk t the guy who stole your job? 

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In safety news a guy who was a possible target Jets Marcus Maye was just franchised so take him off potential targets list there. The good thing some projected DAL to sign him with his old College DC Dan Quinn there. We were projected to take him for safety need and his DB coach just came here 

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4 hours ago, Deranged Hermit said:

???

If they trade to 8 as was suggested in the previous post, one of Pitts, Chase, Devonta or Waddle should be there. Probably more than one.

Like a year ago, they would decide the 4th best was better than the top three even if all of them were not gone. Reshot << Jefferson

sort of kidding, or tongue n cheekish

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11 hours ago, Ash said:

I like listening to him because he doesn't just go with the groupthink and always has a reason for how he ranks them.  He's wrong sometimes sure, but he also talks at times about guys he's been wrong on, and what he's learned from it.

 

i love the guy's who don't just regurgitate the group think. 

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2 hours ago, modogg said:

i love the guy's who don't just regurgitate the group think. 

At this stage I have no interest in the same cookie cutter mocks anyway. They’re all the same now and it’s always “OMG THIS SUCKS” even if it deviates a little bit. 

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Just now, Bigboy10182000 said:

At this stage I have no interest in the same cookie cutter mocks anyway. They’re all the same now and it’s always “OMG THIS SUCKS” even if it deviates a little bit. 

yeah. agreed a lot is mocks based off of someone else's, and teams putting info out there to try and trick other teams and lure them into trades or drafting other guys. I like to skip this part of the NFL year until we get free agents and the actual draft

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14 hours ago, Ash said:

I like listening to him because he doesn't just go with the groupthink and always has a reason for how he ranks them.  He's wrong sometimes sure, but he also talks at times about guys he's been wrong on, and what he's learned from it.

 

hes really wrong about mond. wow thats terrible

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20 minutes ago, need2know said:

hes really wrong about mond. wow thats terrible

I had no idea who he was if I’m being honest and was shocked to see him so high. With that said, he didn’t just toss his name out there and gave details why. I’m good with that. 

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5 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

I had no idea who he was if I’m being honest and was shocked to see him so high. With that said, he didn’t just toss his name out there and gave details why. I’m good with that. 

Ya but it still smells of "look at me and my crazy pick, look how many people are talking about me now".

I get deviating from the mocks, but when every scout doesn't even have him in the first two rounds, putting him that high is dumb.

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