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One good reason Carson stays is to watch all these clowns who wanted him gone just implode. That would be just as entertaining if not More. Plus imagine if he comes back and has an MVP like Season next year. Angelo, Gigolo and others would be backpedaling for answers.
I think some would backpedal but guys like Angelo would try to justify it. Angelo to this day is still trying to Justify The Dirty 30 and kicked Shaun Young off the morning show appearance he did because he asked Shaun to get the Dirty 30 back together to boo McNabb's first game here with WAS. When Young refused Cataldia had temper tantrum and kicked Shaun off the show.
Slobbering over talk radio banter aside...What are the odds you’d put on him being in Philly next year and wining the MVP?
I hope they don’t pull the trigger for something too weak. According to today’s media the market has cooled.
Nonsense is his thing. He didn't bring up random people from work this time, so there's that.
I was just saying it'd be fun to watch. I think the Odds are better he stays in Philly and gets back to at least pre MVP level then going further down hill
Why do you continue to bring up reports that were already proven incorrect constantly?
This. Point of no return. No chance both Wentz/Hurts are back for 2021.need2know said:
Honestly if they don't get what they want I could see them waiting till camp or something. Hoping some team has a Bridgewater situation where the QB goes down and are desperate as they need to compete next year.
It’s in their best interest to take this as close to his roster bonus as possible to see where we are with it. They don’t have a QB and their HC wants Wentz. They’re not in a great spot and I’m sure they don’t want Darnold. If they want him they will have to pony up. If not, keep him. If he’s bad his value is shot, we play Hurts and he’s cuttable. If he does well his value increases for a trade or you possible keep him. IMO we are not in as bad a spot as people think.
I think the offer is pretty lousy but what is fair value? He's not worth what Stafford hauled in? He's more Goff at this point, yes/no? And if that's the case then why not start adding picks with Wentz to get back something special?
I'd take either. I was just setting up a scenario as just from what it seems like Hurts doesn't have a lot of favor in the org either. I could see a scenario Both Wentz and Hurts not being on the roster by 2022.
Most will forget about the report or claim someone leaked something to get people excited.
that's a terrible offer. If I'm getting 2 2nds I expect a player from the colts coming my way too
That just might be the market for him. What I’m saying is that is not enough to move on. For that price I’d rather we put his ### on the field in 2021 and see if he has anything.
And if he’s on the team and we start 2-0, 3-1 or even a 4-3 and he looks good, is it still a disaster?
Do you take this same approach in fantasy football as well? If you have a guy that had one down year in a keeper league do you just get rid of him? You can’t be on the wrong end of the buy low.
Yep and if he blows you still have Hurts and Wentz’s value will not have changed much, if at all.
Not quite accurate. If Philly trades him Philly eats a huge piece of that contract (bonus money is the issue). The contract is rough for the Eagles no matter what they do....it's not bad at all for any team RECEIVING him.
I could see the Colts offering their #21 and eat his contract, because they can afford it. Its my understanding Philly is in cap hell, so eating his contract probably isn't an option and if their trading partner has to take on that contract, then Philly won't get as much for Wentz.
Trading him before March 19th gets every penny of Wentz' contract off the books this cap year and they can move on, free and clear, in 2022 when they will also be free of the dead weight from the Alshon and Malik Jackson contracts (they are both going to be cut) and some others that are coming off or will also be gone (like Ertz, DJax and maybe even Graham.) It makes no sense to be in a "rebuild" mode this year and do things like restructure aging vets to kick the cap can down the road just so you can hang more money from Wentz around your neck, all of which will affect the 2022 cap. 2021 is the purge. It's the ugly, you-feel-nauseous-but-know-you-have-to-puke-before-you-can-start-to-feel-better season.
I’m going to peg it at 1%. The messages seem to point toward him wanting out, however, I don’t recall a Deshaun Watson type report where he said he wanted out. Maybe I missed it though.
He hasn't said anything. Which most likely means he wants out. But it would be nice if the baby said something
There’s no upside and hasn’t been for a while to say anything.need2know said:
As crazy as you and a few million others asking a guy in your league for a deal you know he won’t take right away.
Love the analogy, but "I'm not that guy". When push comes to shove I think people are going to be surprised with how much they actually get and I don't think it will be a lot.
I mean, he's been available for a while now, it's pretty clear that's what the market is. It's fine if you don't want to move on for that price, but it's not like there isn't downside to that as well (yes, it could get worse)Wooderson said:
I don't participate in salary cap leagues but if I did, you're damn right I would. Vastly overpaying for poor performance is a death knell. It's not "just cause", it's 'cause they'd get 2 2nd rounders back and a bunch of dead weight off their books in the future. Yes, he's shown talent, but he's also shown horrendous play, and that MVP like season was a long time ago.Bigboy10182000 said:
Nonsense. If they keep him and he sucks again you can say goodbye to any draft pick compensation (and more cap space in 2022).Bigboy10182000 said:
What I'm reading is Philly eats a bunch of space but he would still count $25.4 mil for the acquiring team in 2021 and $15 mil in 2022 becomes guaranteed on the 3rd day of the 2021 season. That's a lot of money if he doesn't get a heck of a lot better quickly.renesauz said:
You’re also not the guy who would look at the sticker price of a car as an insulting asking price as well. There’s more than enough analogies and chances are you’ve negotiated a bunch in your life already. The thought that it’s “crazy” to ask for two first round picks is what’s actually crazy.
There’s always a market for a young, once promising looking QB. For a recent example, see every QB ever traded.
Perhaps you are right and if the Colts love Wentz they probably should consider give up more than the #21, but you also have to consider that the Colts should try and pay as little as possible. This is a two way street. They have some leverage giving his performance and situation in Philly and that awful contract. If the Colts are willing to take that contract off Philly's hands, then IMO it would be foolish not to use that as leverage in their trade talks. In other words, don't take the contract and give up the farm. To me, that would be stupid. You said, and I paraphrase, "that if Wentz gets them to the SB isn't 2 first round picks worth it?". Yes, it would be worth it, but that is a BIG IF. Ballard needs to do some good negotiation and not give up the farm and take on his full contract.
I agree 100%. This is what makes their negotiations interesting, in my opinion. What will decide it is how long the need for a QB lasts. We don’t need a QB, Indy does and IF the HC thinks he’s getting a good one there’s internal pressure as well because you guys are close.
Correct, however, you still have the player if needed. Taking a monumental cap hit, when the cap is lower, for him to be elsewhere is bad all around.
He's a "buy low" from his peak but not from his current season. Giving up 2 2nd rounders plus paying him that contract already prices in a good amount of improvement as no one would pay anything for the QB who was on the field last year.
