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On 7/22/2021 at 5:40 PM, Insein said:

On Watson, I don't see the rush. We don't know what his suspension will be and Houston is desperate right now. So there's no way I'm giving up the king's ransom for him. Maybe 1 first or even a 2nd right now if they really want to get rid of him. That way we have his rights if Hurts doesn't work out. 

Otherwise, the big deal will still be there next off-season and we'll know more about his situation by then. We'll also know if Hurts can play or not. Of he's good, then pass. We'll use the 3 1sts on players to get this team younger and cap controlled. Plus hurts will cost $1-3m/yr over the next 3 seasons where as Watson will be $40m next year. 

Point is, we don't need to do any deal now unless he's super cheap.

i also don't think there is too much of a market for Watson right now, really no reason to rush in and jump on it. 

I also don't know what the advantage is to bringing Watson in right now with the team rebuilding a few positions. if they were only a QB away sure, but they bring Watson in it isn't like they are all of a sudden winning the championship

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Don't want any part of the Watson drama. Certainly don't wanna part with premium picks to obtain the drama

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14 hours ago, Insein said:

Waaaaaay cheaper too. 

Plus I said this way back when things started happening here with Watson. I talked to some people in the Know who said Watson was a fraud and not the person you see on TV. Not back then there was zero character issues or red flags with Watson. I just put it down as maybe a few guys had a bad experience with the payer. 2 of those people I know are a bit difficult for anyone to deal with so I was more inclined to be like "yeah I'm not surprised the dude reacted to the way he did to you." I also heard this from a few other pretty solid people including people my cousin knew from his HS coaching contacts with pro and college contacts. However given what I heard then and now with this stuff I'm more inclined to believe those past people on Watson. 

The thing back then was I was never given any specific details on why he fake, fraud etc. I was just told he's not the person off the camera you see on. Now I know there were friends he had had from HS that were questionable but from what I could tell they were all no longer associated with one another and had a falling out with him prior to going pro around his SO/JR year at Clemson

Point is its not only cheaper but you can get a kid with less significant baggage if any at all. You won't have to worry about availability. 

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6 hours ago, renesauz said:

Don't want any part of the Watson drama. Certainly don't wanna part with premium picks to obtain the drama

I don't think any one here disagrees with this part on the picks. I think the disagreement here is more or less how much better are we with Watson and what kind of team we are. That's really hard to say right now with a new staff and players with a 2nd year Rookie QB who played Meh football. 

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18 hours ago, Deranged Hermit said:

I dunno, I think you're thinking with your heart, not your head. I see 6 wins at best, but 3 at worst. That's a very old defense and a very brittle offensive line. Plus, I don't like Hurts even a little bit.

Their best bet is if they can keep both lines healthy and grind the ball with Sanders. IMO anyway.

I agree with you that they will be bad, but let's say they win 5 games.  That is pick 7, 8, or 9 based on last year.  You saying "I'm pretty sure they will pick top 3" means you're projecting them at 3 wins max which was your low end.

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1 hour ago, Deamon said:

I agree with you that they will be bad, but let's say they win 5 games.  That is pick 7, 8, or 9 based on last year.  You saying "I'm pretty sure they will pick top 3" means you're projecting them at 3 wins max which was your low end.

Gun to my head, yes, I would go with the low end of my prediction. 

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Just now, Deranged Hermit said:

Gun to my head, yes, I would go with the low end of my prediction. 

So you're "pretty sure" that the Eagles go 0-17, 1-16, 2-15, or 3-14 this year?  

That's bold. I don't see it. 

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7 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

I don't think any one here disagrees with this part on the picks. I think the disagreement here is more or less how much better are we with Watson and what kind of team we are. That's really hard to say right now with a new staff and players with a 2nd year Rookie QB who played Meh football. 

We can't really answer that question until we know if the new coaches can make Hurts into a better QB, and until we know what's happening with Watson. Since both of those things aren't going to be known for a while, there's no rush to make a decision now. It's all just people talking/writing for the sake of it until then. 

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6 hours ago, Deamon said:

So you're "pretty sure" that the Eagles go 0-17, 1-16, 2-15, or 3-14 this year?  

That's bold. I don't see it. 

Yeah, we'll be bad, but so will a lot of other teams. And you know if we're sitting on 3 or fewer wins late in the season, we'll pull off a meaningless win or two to worsen draft position. 

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On 7/23/2021 at 6:25 PM, Deranged Hermit said:

I dunno, I think you're thinking with your heart, not your head. I see 6 wins at best, but 3 at worst. That's a very old defense and a very brittle offensive line. Plus, I don't like Hurts even a little bit.

Their best bet is if they can keep both lines healthy and grind the ball with Sanders. IMO anyway.

Not to rag on you, because I I've always enjoyed your insight in here.  But if you're confident that the Eagles will win under 5 games this year (to have a shot at top 3 pick) then you should really hit the under on the Vegas O/U line of 7 wins HARD.

I would LOVE a top 3 pick next year but I just don't see any way that that is possible.

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no result from 3 wins to 9 wins would surprise me. The Vegas O/U of 7 seems about right to me. This isn't a good team, but it has some pieces, it's not complete garbage we should be expecting just a couple wins from

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8 hours ago, Deamon said:

Not to rag on you, because I I've always enjoyed your insight in here.  But if you're confident that the Eagles will win under 5 games this year (to have a shot at top 3 pick) then you should really hit the under on the Vegas O/U line of 7 wins HARD.

I would LOVE a top 3 pick next year but I just don't see any way that that is possible.

I don't bet much anymore,  but I did take the under for the Eagles this year. 

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I must be in the minority, but I think this team will exceed expectations this year (low bar). I'm not predicting 10+ wins, but they won't be complete garbage either with two MAJOR caveats:

1. Better injury luck. Especially along the o-line. I mean, this trend can't continue with this team, right? It has to end eventually...right? Please say I'm right...

2. Improved play from Hurts. He doesn't have to become Rodgers or even Prescott, but just show some improvement throwing the ball and not fumbling twice a game.

This team has some potential and the hope is the new coaching staff will know how to use and motivate it. Maybe I'm being a homer, but usually this team doesn't follow expectations and does the opposite.

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4 hours ago, renesauz said:

no result from 3 wins to 9 wins would surprise me. The Vegas O/U of 7 seems about right to me. This isn't a good team, but it has some pieces, it's not complete garbage we should be expecting just a couple wins from

They are gonna win at least one game they had no business winning this year because of something flukey or Injuries like the NO game last year. Bress hurt and Lutz missed 3 FGs and Taysom Hill missed 2 wide open WRs at two points one in the EZ. We'll win a game like that this coming season 

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5 hours ago, renesauz said:

no result from 3 wins to 9 wins would surprise me. The Vegas O/U of 7 seems about right to me. This isn't a good team, but it has some pieces, it's not complete garbage we should be expecting just a couple wins from

Ya I'm right there too.  9-8 would be mildly surprising, as would 3-14.

I'm thinking 7-10 or 6-11 is probably where we finish which kinda sucks because it likely puts us outside the top 7 picks.

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Madden apparently doesn't have much faith in Hurts. Initial rating Is a 71

To put things in perspective Wentz is a 72. 

Mac Jones Rookie is also a 71

Devona Smith is a 75

Kyle Pitts a 81

Both Fields and Lance got 74s 

Waddle was a 76 

New Teams ratings for a few guys. 

Matthew Stafford, QB, Los Angeles Rams - 83 OVR

Jared Goff, QB, Detroit Lions - 77 OVR

Carson Wentz, QB, Indianapolis Colts - 72 OVR

Jalen Hurts, QB, Philadelphia Eagles - 71 OVR

Sam Darnold, QB, Carolina Panthers - 71 OVR

Julio Jones, WR, Tennessee Titans - 95 OVR

JJ Watt, DE, Arizona Cardinals - 94 OVR

Jonnu Smith, TE, New England Patriots - 81 OVR

 

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  • The Noid changed the title to 🦅Official 2021 Philadelphia Eagles Thread🦅 Welcome to Philly, Steven Nelson! CB2 no longer our biggest weakness.
1 hour ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Eagles sign Stephen Nelson to a 1 year deal. 

Happy about the signing but can’t help be a bit 🤔 about why he went unsigned so long and only got $4MM from a team most expect to be a bottom of the league team. 

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The two factors to wins this year are O-line play/health, and Hurts development. If both go well, we could be 9-10 wins. If one goes well, 6-8.  If both fall apart, 3-5 wins.

Obviously not factoring crazy stuff like our top 4 CB's all getting injured, which honestly wee probably should factor in.

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2 minutes ago, babydemon90 said:

The two factors to wins this year are O-line play/health, and Hurts development. If both go well, we could be 9-10 wins. If one goes well, 6-8.  If both fall apart, 3-5 wins.

Obviously not factoring crazy stuff like our top 4 CB's all getting injured, which honestly wee probably should factor in.

ALWAYS FACTOR IN THE CRAZY WITH US 

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On 7/25/2021 at 2:09 AM, Deamon said:


I would LOVE a top 3 pick next year but I just don't see any way that that is possible.

I see them as closer to that Vegas predicted 7 win season - but there’s surely an obvious way they can end up with a top 3 pick, and that would be Hurts not developing into an NFL level QB. Personally I think he has some intangibles and will be at least adequate but if he’s bad enough where they have to turn to Joe Flacco, things could be quite ugly.

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18 hours ago, The Noid said:

Happy about the signing but can’t help be a bit 🤔 about why he went unsigned so long and only got $4MM from a team most expect to be a bottom of the league team. 

Probably because the rest of the league thinks he sucks. I’ll be happy with average but I’m. It expecting anything more. Ideally he allows Maddox to stay in the slot and gives the younger guys time to develop. 

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On 7/25/2021 at 2:07 PM, DJackson10 said:

Madden apparently doesn't have much faith in Hurts. Initial rating Is a 71

To put things in perspective Wentz is a 72. 

Mac Jones Rookie is also a 71

Devona Smith is a 75

Kyle Pitts a 81

Both Fields and Lance got 74s 

Waddle was a 76 

New Teams ratings for a few guys. 

Matthew Stafford, QB, Los Angeles Rams - 83 OVR

Jared Goff, QB, Detroit Lions - 77 OVR

Carson Wentz, QB, Indianapolis Colts - 72 OVR

Jalen Hurts, QB, Philadelphia Eagles - 71 OVR

Sam Darnold, QB, Carolina Panthers - 71 OVR

Julio Jones, WR, Tennessee Titans - 95 OVR

JJ Watt, DE, Arizona Cardinals - 94 OVR

Jonnu Smith, TE, New England Patriots - 81 OVR

 

But also, Madden is garbage.

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Happy about the Nelson signing. Should hopefully allow us to have a middle of the road secondary as a unit as a floor.

 

Houston is high. Want no part of Deshaun and even moreso as they seem to be playing "on tilt" poker right now. 

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1 hour ago, Terpman22 said:

Happy about the Nelson signing. Should hopefully allow us to have a middle of the road secondary as a unit as a floor.

 

Houston is high. Want no part of Deshaun and even moreso as they seem to be playing "on tilt" poker right now. 

Apparently there's another 10 accusers filing suit against him too. No way is he traded this year unless it's at a huge discount. 

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2 hours ago, Deranged Hermit said:

Apparently there's another 10 accusers filing suit against him too. No way is he traded this year unless it's at a huge discount. 

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So we're up to what 32 WOMEN NOW? Jesus didn't this guys mother tell him how to treat ladies with respect? 

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1 hour ago, DJackson10 said:

So we're up to what 32 WOMEN NOW? Jesus didn't this guys mother tell him how to treat ladies with respect? 

The term ladies is very loosely applied here but Watson brought this on himself. 

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Trading for him right now is a disaster. I mean if you can get a steep discount, then maybe - but there is so much unknown. The women in the lawsuit aren't being deposed until September - can/has the NFL even interviewed them? Seems like the NFL is going to wait till after that for any official action. Seems like a strong chance though in September he gets suspended. Then there's the trial, which I think won't be till next year, and I think there's still the possibility of criminal charges.  It's a mess. Just give Hurts the year to see what he can do - if we need a QB next year we can go get one then, and there will be more clarity.

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1 hour ago, babydemon90 said:

Trading for him right now is a disaster. I mean if you can get a steep discount, then maybe - but there is so much unknown. The women in the lawsuit aren't being deposed until September - can/has the NFL even interviewed them? Seems like the NFL is going to wait till after that for any official action. Seems like a strong chance though in September he gets suspended. Then there's the trial, which I think won't be till next year, and I think there's still the possibility of criminal charges.  It's a mess. Just give Hurts the year to see what he can do - if we need a QB next year we can go get one then, and there will be more clarity.

Yes no chance he's getting traded if they still want top dollar. 

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14 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

So we're up to what 32 WOMEN NOW? Jesus didn't this guys mother tell him how to treat ladies with respect? 

No, 24.  8 of the 10 reported women who filed criminal complaints overlap with the civil suits.

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20 hours ago, Insein said:

The term ladies is very loosely applied here but Watson brought this on himself. 

Literally had some guy trying to argue with me and another guy today that because they were "escorts" then the claims are BS and extortion. I blocked him but not before telling him the fact you are **** shaming these girls is why most women of sexual assault don't come forward. Even if they are escorts if he didn't pay them or didn't pay enough it's considered Sexual assault by the courts today. 

It just boggles my mind the amount of people who will defend these guys anyway and say they should play while also having an issue with a stand up guy given a chance of making a team. 

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9 hours ago, babydemon90 said:

Trading for him right now is a disaster. I mean if you can get a steep discount, then maybe - but there is so much unknown. The women in the lawsuit aren't being deposed until September - can/has the NFL even interviewed them? Seems like the NFL is going to wait till after that for any official action. Seems like a strong chance though in September he gets suspended. Then there's the trial, which I think won't be till next year, and I think there's still the possibility of criminal charges.  It's a mess. Just give Hurts the year to see what he can do - if we need a QB next year we can go get one then, and there will be more clarity.

Also who cares about Watson anymore when Aaron Rodgers will be available next year possible!!!!!!!! 

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  • The Noid changed the title to 🦅Official 2021 Philadelphia Eagles Thread🦅 Camp Wemightstinka is finally open!
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First day of camp in the books. Sifting through all the tweets from the media covering it, these were what caught my attention:

  • Dillard and Mailata rotated at LT with Dillard getting the slight majority
  • Ertz was a full participant
  • Seumalo is out with a "week to week" hamstring injury 
  • Miles Sanders did some extra "hands" work
  • Defense showed some 3-4 looks 
  • Devonta Smith was in the PR rotation
  • Sirianni: Hurts has "earned 1st team reps" but no timetable on naming a starting QB
  • Sirianni: Team has "21 speed" (aka "pony" personnel - 2 RBs, 2 WRs, 1 TE)

I'll be at camp on Friday so will have some first-hand observations to share, too. 

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In vaccine-related news, 90% of the Eagles roster has had at least 1 dose, and presumably all of the coaches (or else they wouldn't be allowed on the field with the rest of the staff.)

Out in Indy, where the GM is disappointed in the team's 60% rate, Wentz declined to reveal his "personal choice." Wouldn't it be on-brand for us to lose out on a 1st round pick because Wentz goes under the snaps threshold due to COVID-related missed time, and not poor play or injury? 

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1 hour ago, The Noid said:

 Wentz declined to reveal his "personal choice." Wouldn't it be on-brand for us to lose out on a 1st round pick because Wentz goes under the snaps threshold due to COVID-related missed time, and not poor play or injury? 

Would suck, but also make me glad we traded him.

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Apparently Hurts's accuracy problems were on display. Dont want to overreact to day one training camp, but hes gotta work on that. If you're at a 30% completion rate in practice with a red jersey, thats not great.

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On 7/25/2021 at 1:07 PM, DJackson10 said:

Madden apparently doesn't have much faith in Hurts. Initial rating Is a 71

To put things in perspective Wentz is a 72. 

Mac Jones Rookie is also a 71

Carson Wentz, QB, Indianapolis Colts - 72 OVR

Jalen Hurts, QB, Philadelphia Eagles - 71 OVR

Sam Darnold, QB, Carolina Panthers - 71 OVR

This seems mostly unfair to Mac Jones to me, he's easily the QB I'd most want out of that group.

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13 minutes ago, babydemon90 said:

Apparently Hurts's accuracy problems were on display. Dont want to overreact to day one training camp, but hes gotta work on that. If you're at a 30% completion rate in practice with a red jersey, thats not great.

That 30% is being reported somewhere? I know Eliot Shorr-Parks tracks this stat in camp for all Eagles QBs, but haven't seen anything from him yet on the results from today.

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1 hour ago, The Noid said:

That 30% is being reported somewhere? I know Eliot Shorr-Parks tracks this stat in camp for all Eagles QBs, but haven't seen anything from him yet on the results from today.

 

Here's the breakdown. Not great start, but we'll see if it's a trend as the days go by.

Quarterback Stats:
Jalen Hurts: 5/14, 2 TD, 1 INT, 20 reps (all 1st-team)
Joe Flacco: 6/10, 2 TD, 16 rep (all 2nd-team)
Nick Mullens: 8/8, 12 reps (all 3rd-team)

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So Derrick Gunn just confirmed what I put out several months ago about the team not sold on Hurts. One person I got the usual "source?" question like I would give that up. Gunn's reponse was Several 

Derrick Gunn confirms report Eagles aren't entirely sold on Hurts

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It's not great, but there aren't better options. I don't want to trade for Watson. Maybe they can instill some footwork improvements to make better accuracy, but we'll see.  I'm starting to suspect there's a real chance we see Joe Flacco at some point.

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1 hour ago, babydemon90 said:

It's not great, but there aren't better options. I don't want to trade for Watson. Maybe they can instill some footwork improvements to make better accuracy, but we'll see.  I'm starting to suspect there's a real chance we see Joe Flacco at some point.


Watson is the better option and if available it has to happen. That’s goes double if you expect to see Flacco

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It's early. If Hurts is still playing like this by preseason game 3, then I feel we just play out the year with him and our losses will net us a good pick next year. We can then draft a QB or go for Watson or Rodgers. 

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  • The Noid changed the title to 2021 Philadelphia Eagles - Dallas week! Pour yourself a nice tall glass of pickle juice.
  • Joe Bryant changed the title to 2021 Philadelphia Eagles - Bad day to be a Brandon, good day to be Bart Scott’s eyebrow.

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