babydemon90
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And the Titans aren't likely to pull away. Their next 4 are Bills, Chiefs, @Colts, then Rams. The could easily lose all 4.
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2021 Philadelphia Eagles - Queued up a playlist of our greatest zits throughout the season for final game (7 Viewers)
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They have a bunch of patsies left on their schedule. It's highly unlikely they'll be eliminated early with HOU and JAX in the same division.
DJackson10
Footballguy
He did nothing in the first half. Once Colts lost two starters on defensive Backend he put up those numbers. Also those stats are great talk to me when he does it in the playoffs where he goes MIA and is benched for a QB not even playing in the league right now. Regular season numbers are nice can he win me a SB though?
Insein
Footballguy
To be fair, he got them down there for a game winning FG and the kicker choked. Kicker also missed a PAT and got another FG blocked.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Kicker cost them this game and the defensive injuries to the DBs as well. This wasn't a Jalen Hurts 2nd half MIA act
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Wentz got them the win, the defense and the kicker gave it away. Wentz looked better than he has in years.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Really disappointed in this guy but it looks like Dal is getting the bad boys together
Dal LB gloats about giving Giants QB a concussion
Dal LB gloats about giving Giants QB a concussion
DJackson10
Footballguy
Through 5 weeks of action, Wentz has played close to 98% of the teams’ snaps despite the weekly stress of potential injury concerns.
need2know
Footballguy
That's fair. It's still a loss though. And he watched Jackson score 3 straight tds in the 4th/OT
Ravens def looked like trash btw
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DJackson10
Footballguy
Ravens are lucky to not be 1-4 right now. They've gotten real lucky. I think if they played Buff last night they get smashed and people are talking about Lamar differently today. He did nothing vs Indy Defense till they lost 2 starting DBs. Credit to Harbaugh for taking advantage of that but Indy's kicker was apparently hurt missed an XP early and then got a FG blocked and missed another FG.
need2know
Footballguy
i actually fell asleep in the early 4th. i thought the colts had it in the bag. ravens looked cooked
DJackson10
Footballguy
Yeah Ravens Defense is awful getting carved up now. Took a Justin Tucker 64 YD kick bounced off the crossbar and go in to win. MNF this year allowed OAK to march up and down field lost in OT. Literally had to comeback in a game where Mahomes had his worst game or one of his worst as a pro ever on a suspect KC DEF. Beat a Den team with a weak offense. And should've lost last night. Despite the DB injuries had the Colts K even made one FG and or XP Bal loses. Props for Baltimore again taking advantage but they've been lucky this year. And I think a lot of Bal fans would agree. I have a friend whos a Baltimore fan who doesn't want them to make the playoffs because it'd give them false hope with the holes they have. I think the missing RBs aren't as big of an issue as their Defense being so bad (As opposed to what we're use to from a Ravens D).
DJackson10
Footballguy
Dallas Goedert put on Covid 19-reserve list. Definitely missing TNF
babydemon90
Footballguy
So will Doug Pederson be coaching the Raiders or Jax next year?
ProstheticRGK
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
The obligatory should we sign him post
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The Seahawks are releasing former starting CB Tre Flowers, source said, a move that he recently requested. An experienced corner with four years of starting experience now available.
Ian Rapoport
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The Seahawks are releasing former starting CB Tre Flowers, source said, a move that he recently requested. An experienced corner with four years of starting experience now available.
SeniorVBDStudent
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Terpman22
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Wentz quit on our team, for the record. No chance any real Eagle fan should be rooting for this guy OR the Colts. Frank Reich, great guy, yadda yadda yadda we got their 1st*, we should want them to lose every single game and Wentz to play every single snap. I'm glad he looked good last game for my fantasy league, thats about it haha. He's not going to be benched to "save a 1st" b/c he'll just ask to be traded again, so don't worry about that.
Insein
Footballguy
Keep telling yourself that if it makes you feel better. Him leaving had nothing to do with the fans or his team. It had to do with the front office. The same front office most of you agree is awful. So I'm not sure why Wentz wanting out irks some of you so bad. Most of you would have done the same thing.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Doug didn’t get a single HC’ing interview 3 years after winning a SB. That’s pretty telling.babydemon90 said:
With that said, I’d rule out Oakland entirely and fully expect a POC choice there after what’s happened and I could totally see the Jaguars being stupid enough to get him.
Terpman22
Footballguy
LOL ok. He quit on our team right? "When did you know you needed a change" The Green Bay game. The first time he was ever benched, dude dipped out. I'm sure its MUCH more complicated than just the front office and coaching. He's not mentally tough, thats part of it. Stemming from injuries, Foles' success, the fact it seems the team would prefer ANY other QB on the roster than him...etc. Not to mention, he's kind of the opposite vibe of the city of Philadelphia. Likes to hunt. Doesn't like to get vaccinated in the middle of a pandemic.
The whole "we woulda done the same' fallacy is absurd. Let your work put $120M in front of any one of us right now and tell me which will go to your boss the next year and say "ya know this isn't right for me" lol.
T.O. irked me when he wanted out the next year after signing "a record breaking contract" and Wentz did the same here.
I'm the kind of guy that gets irked when players for his favorite team quit.
I'm not a Sixers fan, but I have yet to meet a Sixers fan giving Ben Simmons a pass. Tell me how they are different if you're hating on Ben Simmons (for the record I am, he's making a chump move).
Insein
Footballguy
Hating on Ben Simmons is for the fact that he refuses to do one of the basic fundamental things a basketball player needs to do. If Wentz decided as a QB he was only going to hand the ball off instead of making forward passes, that would be the same as Ben Simmons.
As for his quote on the McAfee show, he said Green Bay game was the first time he realized he may not finish his career there not that he decided he needed a change. And he never started another game for them. So he was right.
Terpman22
Footballguy
Fair point. I suppose there are levels to the "hate" of each player:
But under the "took the bag and dipped" to me its the same b/c neither player would ever act the way they did, leading up to their imminent departure, unless they already secured the bag.
babydemon90
Footballguy
Two different things. Both players are whiny, selfish, low character clowns based on their demand to go to a new team with many years left - in Wentz's case he hadn't even STARTED his extension.
Simmons gets extra hate because he refuses to try and get better and do the things players in his position should do, and wont even acknowledge the issue.
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
DJackson10
Footballguy
Ben Simmons quit on Basketball and his team. Carson didn't quit at all but hey if that helps you make you feel better have at it.
Carson actually wants to win, wants to play. Ben feels there's no need for him to play or win satisfied with a paycheck. At least Carson when out on the field tried to win at all cost even if it got him injured. Ben was scared to go to the rim because he was scared of getting fouled.
Dipped out? I personally don't care what his views are on his personal life as long as he's not out there throwing it in everyone's face like Kyrie Is. When did everyone have to have the same mantra as the city? The fans and radio jabronies just use this constantly when a player doesn't work out. It's used at nauseam at this point
Wentz didn't want out at first it was a multiple of behind the scenes stuff. TO was just a team cancer wherever he went. It was part of what you got when taking him on.
DJackson10
Footballguy
yeah I don't get it either. Also the same stuff is used at ad nauseam constantly "Didn't fit in the city", "Didn't get the fans", "too thin skinned", etc. I could see the excuses why he didn't succeed before he was gone from some fans because it's like clockwork.
I've said for like 2 yrs the media and fans ran the wrong athlete out of town. Everything people accuse Wentz of Ben has done 10xs worst and the 76ers can't buy a trade for him.
DJackson10
Footballguy
How is Wentz a low character clown? Low character to me is gets in trouble a lot and stuff.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
After benching him, they began the off-season trying to trade him. Then when they saw the price, they came back to try to mend the relationship. After he saw what they wanted for him, then he decided it was time to go.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Can you stream line that into how the FO failed Wentz and not how the media, fans, Bradford, Foles, Jeffrey, Hurts and his hero ball mentality failed him?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Not sure stream line means what you think it does.
But the bolded all were brought here or kept by the front office. The previous HC as well…and lack of weapons and, never mind, just read it instead of skipping lol
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
Everything you mentioned is something I expect a top NFL QB to work through. Brady dealt with Belichick constantly berating every mistake, the team drafting Jimmy G, consistently being paid less than lesser QBs and the team banning his personal trainer from the building. After 20 years it finally became too much but he he's the most accomplished QB of all time and he put up with a lot. Garoppolo was a 2nd round pick for a team that already had Brady. The Eagles drafted Kolb in the 2nd and McNabb of all people just went about his business and didn't take it personally.
I won't defend keeping Alshon, that was stupid. Wentz has never finished an NFL playoff game. Having a good backup is in the best interest of the team. They needed Foles against the Bears the following season so I'd say it's a good thing they kept him. I disagree with drafting Hurts specifically, but with an injury prone starter and having seen how important a backup QB can be I get why the Eagles drafted a QB.
I think the disconnect is that you and Carson feel like Hurts was drafted to be a replacement while I believe Hurts really was intended as a solid backup with upside on an inexpensive rookie deal.
Also, the Cards got rid of Rosen because he's not good.
Tom Hagen
Footballguy
Didn't Ertz and Brandon Brooks have the same thing happen in the offseason but still showed up and played? If the benching is the problem, Carson lacks self awareness because he earned that with his play.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
This isn’t an apples to apples comparison. For starters:Tom Hagen said:
1. A coach berating a player was never mentioned. That just goes without saying and surly happens in most places
2. After the Patriots won the SB in 2001 did they keep their starter (Bledsoe) for a QB factory or did they move on from him? Wonder why.
3. NE drafted Garoppolo when Brady was 37. Not 10 before, a year after singing a 100+ million dollar deal. Brady constantly being underpaid is by design. It’s been his idea and pretty well documented on how they skirt that
4. Kolb was picked when McNabb was 31 and I’m not sure if you follow the team but McNabb was one of the more sensitive Eagles we have ever had. To say it didn’t affect him is laughable.
5. Wrong about the Rosen/Cardinals as well. They knew they were picking a QB and a speed bump is smart enough to understand the politics of an NFL locker room specific to the QB position.
Like I said in that old post. If Dallas drafted a QB in the second round this year, after giving Dak huge money, what would Eagles fans reactions be? You’d laugh and call it stupid. But when a GM who everyone hates does it, we understand lol.
Did we all expect more from Wentz? Of course. That doesn’t mean the trash GM and coach who nobody wants didn’t handle him horribly.
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The Noid
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He decided to go the night he got benched in GB, regardless of whatever other things anyone might say led him to that point. He was having a (historically) bad season and showed zero interest in accepting it or that he needed to self-reflect and improve or work to be better (Ben Simmons parallel alert!) He took the benching as a personal affront that he never got over. He pouted, stopped talking to the coach, and set the wheels in motion for his exit.Insein said:
The front office may have done some questionable (but not fully unreasonable after he failed to finish the previous 3 seasons) things, but it was his hubris that prevented him from even considering any accountability or desire to challenge adversity that could have ever led to him playing for this team again.
Insein
Footballguy
That's how some see it and that will be their view forever. Carson never said the GB game was when he decided to leave. It was when he realized he may not be on Philly forever. Everything after that was what led to him ultimately deciding that he was done here.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
This is the disconnect and honestly I can’t tell why some are flat out dismissive of what lead to his departure.
“Straw that broke the camels back” comes to mind.
Ben Simmons and Wentz are comparable in that they were drafted too high (to clean), never were the players we like and not gritty enough for this city. Wentz is “mentally fragile” because he dealt with a horribly ran organization, HC, GM, lack of talent and played through numerous injuries. Only in this city is that NOT mentally tough. Oh and he hunts, whatever the hell that means.
And can we stop with the “you’re given 100 million and than you quit” nonsense as well? Athletes who are coveted can make decisions that a person in sales can’t. As you can see, he walked away and still had someone want him. Someone who sought him out for employment. If guy want to test this, quit your job and see how many job offers your agent passes along from the people lined up to have you lol
Simmons’ is completely different. He actually IS SOFT. His words, actions, everything. if you can look at both of their interviews and actions and come to conclusion they’re even in the same ballpark you’re beyond reason.
DJackson10
Footballguy
Tom Hagen said:
Brady complained to Kraft about Jimmy G and Kraft forced Bilichick to trade Jimmy G despite not wanting too. Had NE just followed BB's play Jimmy G is probably starting for them rather then them signing damaged goods Cam Newton, Brady handled it so poorly and Kraft caved in on Brady. Brady was essentially a bully in this case. I have family up there and a Cousin who worked for Lockhead Martin who lived just 5 mins from the stadium. Brady was far worse then Wentz and acted like a child. It's why BB banned his personal trainer and everything. He was trying to stop a locker room war of players picking sides before it started. I don't get why people give Brady a pass just because he''s talented. Any other player the media is bashing them left and right. A lot of NE fans know but won't admit that Brady handled that situation so poorly. BB was just giving him tough love and showing not even TB12 gets special treatment in NE. I hate NE but I always admired how BB treated his players with respect but tough love and no one player was ever entitled to anything. Kraft kind of undermined his HC in this situation
On to Foles he was mediocre at best outside of the SB. The 2017 LAR game he came into he should've had 2 of those passes late in the game picked off. Remember how bad he played going into the playoffs many of us thought we'd be one and done. My Coworker who's son was one of the coaches told me they were lucky to have the bye week for the playoffs because it gave them time to work with Foles to put something together that might work. Reich and DeFillipo did most of the work. Foles caught lightening in the bottle. Mills should've been called for 2 DPI's in the EZ on Julio too. We were very fortunate to win the SB. The 2 games he started after the SB he had an awful first game vs ATL and then in TB against a terrible secondary only managed 1TD. When he finally played again after Wentz back injury he played the LAR. We won the game but watching the game LAR had dropped 2 INTS in the RZ he threw no TDs but had 1 INT and could've been way more. His best game came against HOU where he threw for over 400 yds and 4 TDs who were 11-5 but the 5th worst pass Defense. He threw an INTO that game too. Washington was last game so so 221 with a 2TDs and 1NT. Playoffs we had a Bears team were we won on a double doing and just barely got by an avg Bears team who got in because GB has Rodgers hurt and the bears D was #1 in the NFL. He had an avg playoff game Vs Saints as well. We didn't lose just because a ball went out of the Rats hands he was pretty bad. Foles has been more lucky then good in his career with us. Teams figured us out after the SB and Foles and the coaches didn't adjust either. Foles is a solid person but he's not the player many people think he was even as a back up. We could've gotten someone just as good as Foles for less after 2017
If you are drafting a back up QB you draft hm day 3 like Andy use to do. You don't draft a guy in the 2nd round. Sends mixed messages to everyone
DJackson10
Footballguy
Apples to oranges. Carson's only red flag was injuries and playing time plus the level of college he was at. I agree with everything you said that effected him.
As for Simmons his behavior was well documented before the draft but everyone from the media, to many scouts, to the 76ers to 76ers fans and fans of the player himself ignored the signs or didn't want to admit they were there. From day 1 I was saying it was a major red flag and anyone who drafts him will regret it later. I then said before he extended the 76ers need to trade Ben NOW while he still has value. Now we're where we are now.
Everything coming out of College said Carson worked hard, easily coached, first one in last one out etc etc. You didn't get any of that with Ben who refused shooting practice from his own uncle, looked discontent and uninterested in games LSU was loosing and got absolutely mauled by future NBA players in games. Simmons also failed to show up when it mattered or takeover games he should've against schools I still need to look up on google to know who they are.
I don't know why people keep comparing the 2 and I've said for awhile before Carson was gone people and media are driving the wrong guy out of town. I guess a lot of people needed the actual effect to happen for them to realize Ben isn't who we thought he was. Similar to the Dad or family member who won't accept people in the LGBTQ+ but the minute its their family member they do a complete 180. Probably a bad example but I think people get my point there. They had to see it themselves.
Also another key differences franchises were willing to trade and had interest in Wentz. Almost no one has interest in Simmons and most of the rumors are coming from his agents telling people IMHO.
Deamon
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Judge Smails
Footballguy
Spit out my coffee reading that thread title. Brilliant!
fred_1_15301
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foxco
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Changing gears, I actually feel like todays game will be closer than people think. TB has a slew of injuries and I feel like we match up well with them IF we tackle well. I am curious to see how they use White on Hurts. If they match him up it’s all up to Hurts to use his arm. I can see us leading heading into the 4th before the Brady magic starts
The Noid
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Eagles are 6-0 in their last 6 TNF games, Brady is 6-0 all-time at the Linc. Something's gotta give.
I’ve never heard of Ben Simmons, but I’m not a basketball fan, even care much less if he’s a Philadelphia NBA guy. Now if Djackson10 is a GENE Simmons fan/KISS authoritarian then by all means, let him enlighten us
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