*Official 2021 Philadelphia Eagles Thread* Always two, there are. No more. No less. One good signing, and one bad signing.

[Deamon 5,607]

Just now, Ash said:

Starting to think I might prefer Waddle over Smith, but having him over Chase is interesting.  

It's crazy how players have shifted since end of the college season.  Wilson was for sure below Fields, and Waddle was for sure below Smith a month ago, but Waddle seems to be making big strides. 

Is this another Ruggs' speed over Jeudy's talent situation like we had last year?

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

12 minutes ago, Deamon said:

CBS's newest mock draft is interesting.  They have their top 10 as:

JAX- Lawrence
NYJ- Fields
HOU- Sewell (trading Watson to Miami)
CAR- Wilson (Swapping picks with Atlanta in a trade)
CIN- Darrisaw
PHI- Waddle
DET- Chase
ATL- Pitts
DEN- Farley (first defensive player at 9)
DAL- Slater

Interesting they have Waddle of Chase. I wouldn’t be necessarily mad but I prefer Chase. 
 

7 minutes ago, Ash said:

If Chase, Sewell, Wilson and Fields are gone, I wouldn't be super surprised if the Eagles took a CB.  Slay is here for another 1-2 yrs at the most and outside him they have literally nothing.

Outside that, it could be somewhere 8-10.  Now that I think about it though, Dan Campbell @7 seems like a Micah Parsons guy.

I think Waddle and Chase are pretty close with Smith not to far behind. I think WR there is an absolute must. 

Im curious what they do with Slay. He’s getting older and makes a good bit of money and a lot of what I read seems like we may be more zone oriented like Indy. I don’t know how he’d fit in with that

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

5 minutes ago, Deamon said:

It's crazy how players have shifted since end of the college season.  Wilson was for sure below Fields, and Waddle was for sure below Smith a month ago, but Waddle seems to be making big strides. 

Is this another Ruggs' speed over Jeudy's talent situation like we had last year?

Chase, Smith and Waddle have all been in the same breath from what I remember. Waddle just had ankle issues this year and kept him kind of off the radar to some. I honestly believe all 3 end up as pro-bowl WR’s 

Edited February 23 by Bigboy10182000

[Deamon 5,607]

5 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Interesting they have Waddle of Chase. I wouldn’t be necessarily mad but I prefer Chase. 
 

I think Waddle and Chase are pretty close with Smith not to far behind. I think WR there is an absolute must. 

Im curious what they do with Slay. He’s getting older and makes a good bit of money and a lot of what I read seems like we may be more zone oriented like Indy. I don’t know how he’d fit in with that

Ya the parallels between this year and last year at WR are crazy.

Alabama WR that got all the stats- Smith/Jeudy

Alabama under the radar guy that is faster and may not have the same stats as the guy above but is creeping up boards closer to the draft and may actually be a surprise pick for top WR taken- Waddle/Ruggs

WR from another team that is regarded as the best all around WR, but could slip in the draft below the rising Alabama guys- Lamb/Chase

Edited February 23 by Deamon

[Pigskin Fanatic 619]

2 hours ago, Deamon said:

Ya the parallels between this year and last year at WR are crazy.

Alabama WR that got all the stats- Smith/Jeudy

Alabama under the radar guy that is faster and may not have the same stats as the guy above but is creeping up boards closer to the draft and may actually be a surprise pick for top WR taken- Waddle/Ruggs

WR from another team that is regarded as the best all around WR, but could slip in the draft below the rising Alabama guys- Lamb/Chase

not to stir up fresh wounds, but who, then, is this year's jefferson? let's draft him.

[need2know 6,405]

18 minutes ago, Pigskin Fanatic said:

not to stir up fresh wounds, but who, then, is this year's jefferson? let's draft him.

Chase or Smith is better than Jefferson 

[Pigskin Fanatic 619]

1 minute ago, need2know said:

Chase or Smith is better than Jefferson 

i think i agree, my response was half joking regarding the similarity to last year. personally i'd be happy with either of these two if we end up taking a receiver, over Waddle.

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

26 minutes ago, Pigskin Fanatic said:

not to stir up fresh wounds, but who, then, is this year's jefferson? let's draft him.

It’s not the popular thing to say now but I still believe Reagor will be good. I also believe Jefferson is good but not as great as he appeared last year. He had a lot going for him IMO. 

[Pigskin Fanatic 619]

1 minute ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

It’s not the popular thing to say now but I still believe Reagor will be good. I also believe Jefferson is good but not as great as he appeared last year. He had a lot going for him IMO. 

absolutely agree about Reagor, and that it's not a popular opinion in my circle either. he was an early fantasy pick for me in my keeper league and i don't plan on letting him go.

again, it was a half joking response to the point made that there are similarities to last draft. too soon i guess.

[Deamon 5,607]

40 minutes ago, Pigskin Fanatic said:

not to stir up fresh wounds, but who, then, is this year's jefferson? let's draft him.

The 4th best wr at pick 6?  No thanks. 

[need2know 6,405]

If the eagles dont draft a wr at pick 6,  I hope it's not cause we just drafted one in round one last year.    Our wrs are that bad

Edited February 24 by need2know

[DJackson10 3,192]

3 hours ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

the topic title  

@The NoidDOES NOT DISAPPOINT!!!! Hence why we allowed him to continue starting the season threads.  

[Ash 710]

3 hours ago, Deamon said:

Ya the parallels between this year and last year at WR are crazy.

Alabama WR that got all the stats- Smith/Jeudy

Alabama under the radar guy that is faster and may not have the same stats as the guy above but is creeping up boards closer to the draft and may actually be a surprise pick for top WR taken- Waddle/Ruggs

WR from another team that is regarded as the best all around WR, but could slip in the draft below the rising Alabama guys- Lamb/Chase

Waddle might be different to Ruggs because he was injured. I have seen people ask the question if Smith's season would have happened at all if Waddle hadn't been hurt.

Edited February 24 by Ash

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

15 minutes ago, need2know said:

If the eagles dont draft a wr at pick 6,  I hope it's not cause we just drafted one in round one last year.    Our wrs are that bad

Agreed. Reagor, Hightower and Watkins last year with Fulgham. Now go get the banger at 6 and add a guy with system experience like a Terrance Williams if he’s cheap and let’s see what Sirianni and company can do with them. 

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

Just now, Ash said:

Waddle might be different to Ruggs because he was injured. I have seen people ask the question if Smith's season would have happened at all if Waddle hadn't been hurt.

I think it goes without saying that the numbers wouldn’t be as gaudy. 

Waddle is built better than Ruggs and also has elite game speed. 

[Ash 710]

1 hour ago, Pigskin Fanatic said:

absolutely agree about Reagor, and that it's not a popular opinion in my circle either. he was an early fantasy pick for me in my keeper league and i don't plan on letting him go.

again, it was a half joking response to the point made that there are similarities to last draft. too soon i guess.

I think Reagor can be better, there were some things he was doing well later in the year.  Hurts missed him on two TD opportunities in the last few games.  He has to improve some mechanical stuff when to turn his head for the ball, get his hands up etc, and if he works that should come.

What I didn't like is that he wasn't particularly strong in contested situations and there was at least the appearance of lack of effort there a couple of times.   The frustration appeared to get to him with body language at points too.

 

Edited February 24 by Ash

[DJackson10 3,192]

3 minutes ago, Ash said:

I think Reagor can be better, there were some things he was doing well alter in the year.  Hurts missed him on two TD opportunities in the last few games.  He has to improve some mechanical stuff when to turn his head for the ball, get his hands up etc, and if he works that should come.

What I didn't like is that he wasn't particularly strong in contested situations and there was at least the appearance of lack of effort there a couple of times.   The frustration appeared to get to him with body language at points too.

 

I heard this was a concern with coaches and someone brought it up (BGN or some writer) that there was concern in the org about Reagor's lack of effort the last few weeks of the season. It obviously didn't get a lot of air time because of other issues but I think if we didn't have a lot more pressing issues this would've been a hot topic Convo. Thought it was interesting given that wasn't in the scouting report of concerns of effort.

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

Best breakdown I’ve read on Jaylen Waddle

 

[JetMaxx 1,112]

7 minutes ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Best breakdown I’ve read on Jaylen Waddle

 

Beating off man in college with his speed and the other offensive weapons providing spacing should happen like that. 

[JetMaxx 1,112]

4 hours ago, Deamon said:

It's crazy how players have shifted since end of the college season.  Wilson was for sure below Fields, and Waddle was for sure below Smith a month ago, but Waddle seems to be making big strides. 

Is this another Ruggs' speed over Jeudy's talent situation like we had last year?

The pre draft value of players shift merely in response to media and their interaction with agents. There is rarely a big shift among the draft decision makers 

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

4 minutes ago, JetMaxx said:

Beating off man in college with his speed and the other offensive weapons providing spacing should happen like that. 

He was the one mostly drawing the doubles and even when he did he blew away the double teams as well. 

[Ash 710]

1 hour ago, JetMaxx said:

The pre draft value of players shift merely in response to media and their interaction with agents. There is rarely a big shift among the draft decision makers 

What I've heard (I think Daniel Jeremiah? say) is that the "movement" is the media catching up with the way NFL team see the players. 

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

12 minutes ago, Ash said:

What I've heard (I think Daniel Jeremiah? say) is that the "movement" is the media catching up with the way NFL team see the players. 

I’ve been told the public is “always two weeks behind”

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

Eagles 2021 draft prospect review: BYU QB Zach Wilson

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

Three free agents who make sense for the Eagles, version 1.0

Three free agents who make sense for the Eagles, version 2.0

[need2know 6,405]

1 minute ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Three free agents who make sense for the Eagles, version 1.0

Three free agents who make sense for the Eagles, version 2.0

can we just get all those guys?   Good lists

[DJackson10 3,192]

14 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

I’ve been told the public is “always two weeks behind”

Yep I think we learned that from DH when he had his buddy there. He was giving us info the media spouted 2-3 weeks if not more after he told us what was going on. 

[DJackson10 3,192]

1 hour ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Three free agents who make sense for the Eagles, version 1.0

Three free agents who make sense for the Eagles, version 2.0

There's a few surprises Jimmy left off but I'm sure that was more intentional do to the fact the Eagles might have Blantant interest but did put in Hooker who is kind of a blatant (put him with the Eagles interest with Gannon and Siranni here). 

Kaze I like and Hooker with Marcus Maye (Wasn't mentioned but getting some push) who's Secondary coach is here now. 

Weatherspoon was a guy I really wanted and I wasn't sold on Conley in College but he's played fairly well. 

Don't know if they'd take Arnold given the project TEs they have and they could maybe find one in the draft just as good as him and cheaper. 

No Thanks on John Ross. This guy is just as hurt if not more then DeSean has been and has never lived up to the hyped. He's one of those moved up draft boards do to his speed and return specialist but can't really do much else. 

 

[DJackson10 3,192]

Found this interesting in Breer's article today when talking about NFL dipping into College for assistant coaches mentions one I don't think has been mentioned at all for us. 

Ohio State WRs coach Brian Hartline: The ex-Dolphins receiver drew pass-game coordinator interest from Eagles for the second consecutive year, while Miami, Buffalo and Detroit showed interest in him for position coach jobs as well. The talent development at Ohio State has been top-notch—there are two potential 2022 first-rounders on the roster.

Breer also has some Cap info and on potential cuts (Not mentioning candidates) and why the big cuts won't happen for another week or two 

Cuts are going to happen in phases over the next couple weeks. We saw some notable names let go this week. Philly cut DeSean Jackson. Green Bay let go of Christian Kirksey and Rick (formerly Ricky) Wagner. Carolina cut K.K. Short and Tre Boston. But the truth is, the real bloodletting may be a couple weeks away. We know now, per a league memo this week, that the cap will be set at a minimum of $180 million. That’s up from the previously stated minimum of $175 million. What we don’t know is whether the television deals will get done before St. Patrick’s Day and, if they do, how that’ll impact the cap. And while it may not seem like a huge deal, going from $180 million to, say, $200 million, that could mean a team having to cut four good players or a couple outstanding ones to get in compliance. So the cuts you’re seeing, for now, are guys would be gone under a team’s plan to get itself under a higher cap—and guys who might’ve been gone even without the pandemic rocking NFL economics. The closer calls (and, in many cases, better players) are the ones teams are pausing on now, to see how all this shakes out.

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

18 hours ago, Bigboy10182000 said:

Agreed. Reagor, Hightower and Watkins last year with Fulgham. Now go get the banger at 6 and add a guy with system experience like a Terrance Williams if he’s cheap and let’s see what Sirianni and company can do with them. 

The Raiders released WR Tyrell Williams two years into a 4-year, $44.3M free agent deal. He missed last year with a torn labrum.

**This is who I meant above, not Terrance Williams 🤦‍♂️ 

[renesauz 3,055]

All the talk about not reaching for a QB, but the fact remains that it's twice as important as any other position on the field, and darn near impossible to win without a good one.

If there's one there that they like, they have to pull the trigger, regardless of what else is available.

[DJackson10 3,192]

24 minutes ago, renesauz said:

All the talk about not reaching for a QB, but the fact remains that it's twice as important as any other position on the field, and darn near impossible to win without a good one.

If there's one there that they like, they have to pull the trigger, regardless of what else is available.

We reached for one in the 2nd round last year. People saying we would waste the Hurts pick taking a QB when we essentially wasted our 2nd on Hurts already by over drafting the guy. 

[DJackson10 3,192]

Daniel Jeremiah's top 50 NFL Draft Prospects V: 2.0

[GoBirds 10,369]

52 minutes ago, DJackson10 said:

We reached for one in the 2nd round last year. People saying we would waste the Hurts pick taking a QB when we essentially wasted our 2nd on Hurts already by over drafting the guy. 

Unless Hurts turns into a good starting QB that pick sets our franchise back years. 

[DJackson10 3,192]

2 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

Unless Hurts turns into a good starting QB that pick sets our franchise back years. 

Yeah he literally has to become a pro bowler. Not every year but a consistently good starter for it to be a good pick. It's why I don't get the people complaining and using the "if we take a QB 1.6 we just wasted the pick on Hurts" when the pick was essentially wasted already drafting the guy. Gonna go down in Eagles history as one of the worst picks along with Mamula and Fireman Dan 

[GoBirds 10,369]

1 minute ago, DJackson10 said:

Yeah he literally has to become a pro bowler. Not every year but a consistently good starter for it to be a good pick. It's why I don't get the people complaining and using the "if we take a QB 1.6 we just wasted the pick on Hurts" when the pick was essentially wasted already drafting the guy. Gonna go down in Eagles history as one of the worst picks along with Mamula and Fireman Dan 

Unless he becomes a stud it really was an all time terrible draft pick. Not only does it run your “franchise” QB out of town but now they have to hesitate to consider a QB at what is our highest draft pick I can remember. We could have a mediocre years with uninspiring play from Hurts and end up drafting 5 spots lower next year. This draft would be the spot to make a play for QB. 

[GoBirds 10,369]

21 hours ago, need2know said:

If the eagles dont draft a wr at pick 6,  I hope it's not cause we just drafted one in round one last year.    Our wrs are that bad

Like this pic better?

[need2know 6,405]

12 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

Like this pic better?

I do

[Insein 10,879]

The closer we get to the draft, the more I dread us taking a QB in the first. I think it will be a huge mistake and cause a major distraction right out of the gate for this new coach. 

Take the year to see if Hurts can play. The advantage is he's cheap. So if he's good, low cost. If he's not, nothing lost. 

Cut the guys we know are not going to be here long term and have little value staying on the team. Ertz is a luxury. Cox is on the down turn. BG I might bring back if he restructured but otherwise thanks for your time.

Don't get rid of guys that can help us though. Lane and Brooks I keep. Run the contract out. At most they're here until 2024 and by then their bodies are done and/or they can move on easier cap wise. 

I don't see the logic in "don't fear taking a QB high again." I look it as don't keep making the same damn problem. Give Hurts pieces to prove if he can play or not. Then we can know going forward what we have. 

[babydemon90 1,104]

1 hour ago, GoBirds said:

Unless Hurts turns into a good starting QB that pick sets our franchise back years. 

It was a second rounder. It's fine. Teams miss on 2nd rounders all the time. What sets you back is not having consistent QB play and hitting on SOME of your picks. I don't know what the average is, but misses are fine. You just can't miss on ALL your picks, year after year.

[GoBirds 10,369]

28 minutes ago, babydemon90 said:

It was a second rounder. It's fine. Teams miss on 2nd rounders all the time. What sets you back is not having consistent QB play and hitting on SOME of your picks. I don't know what the average is, but misses are fine. You just can't miss on ALL your picks, year after year.

Disagree, it was a 2nd rounder that forced a starting QB out of town creating a void instead of adding a skill player at a supporting position. Now that 2nd rounders uncertainty has our #1 pick in play for QB again.....instead of going to another position. I know Carson wasn’t Mahomes but at the time it was a terrible pick unless Hurts becomes a stud. 

[JetMaxx 1,112]

17 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

Disagree, it was a 2nd rounder that forced a starting QB out of town creating a void instead of adding a skill player at a supporting position. Now that 2nd rounders uncertainty has our #1 pick in play for QB again.....instead of going to another position. I know Carson wasn’t Mahomes but at the time it was a terrible pick unless Hurts becomes a stud. 

Howie could have traded a 1 for Dhop and drafted Chinn in rd 2. I don’t think we are here today if those 2 things happen. 

[GoBirds 10,369]

1 minute ago, JetMaxx said:

Howie could have traded a 1 for Dhop and drafted Chinn in rd 2. I don’t think we are here today if those 2 things happen. 

I totally agree....and don’t even know who Chinn is. 😂

[Deamon 5,607]

1 hour ago, GoBirds said:

I totally agree....and don’t even know who Chinn is. 😂

2nd behind Chase Young in DPOY award voting.  An absolute stud this year for Carolina, and rumour is he was going to be our pick if Hurts wasn't available there.

[Pip's Invitation 7,603]

5 hours ago, DJackson10 said:

Yeah he literally has to become a pro bowler. Not every year but a consistently good starter for it to be a good pick. It's why I don't get the people complaining and using the "if we take a QB 1.6 we just wasted the pick on Hurts" when the pick was essentially wasted already drafting the guy. Gonna go down in Eagles history as one of the worst picks along with Mamula and Fireman Dan 

Don't forget Jon Harris and Michael Haddix. 

ETA: The Haddix pick doesn't get nearly enough publicity for the disaster it was. The 1983 draft was the greatest in league history. Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers throughout the first round and at various points thereafter. The Eagles had the 8th overall pick and took a fullback who was a marginal contributor at best. The team is very lucky that sports radio and saturation coverage of the draft didn't exist back then.

Edited February 25 by Pip's Invitation

[jasvic 504]

8 hours ago, Pip's Invitation said:

Don't forget Jon Harris and Michael Haddix. 

ETA: The Haddix pick doesn't get nearly enough publicity for the disaster it was. The 1983 draft was the greatest in league history. Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers throughout the first round and at various points thereafter. The Eagles had the 8th overall pick and took a fullback who was a marginal contributor at best. The team is very lucky that sports radio and saturation coverage of the draft didn't exist back then.

Harris is always the one I think of. Remember watching the draft on ESPN and they had no video footage prepped for him because it was such a stupid reach. Everyone was stunned.

[Bigboy10182000 3,965]

8 hours ago, Pip's Invitation said:

Don't forget Jon Harris and Michael Haddix. 

ETA: The Haddix pick doesn't get nearly enough publicity for the disaster it was. The 1983 draft was the greatest in league history. Hall of Famers and Pro Bowlers throughout the first round and at various points thereafter. The Eagles had the 8th overall pick and took a fullback who was a marginal contributor at best. The team is very lucky that sports radio and saturation coverage of the draft didn't exist back then.

The Jermane Mayberry pick is the one that always gets me.  He didn’t have a bad career and had some good stretches but the circumstances always killed me. 

For starters we needed a LBer (don’t we always?) and Rhodes said after missing out on Mobley and Reggie Brown that they just couldn’t pass Mayberry up at 25......the next pick was Ray Lewis

[JetMaxx 1,112]

33 minutes ago, jasvic said:

Harris is always the one I think of. Remember watching the draft on ESPN and they had no video footage prepped for him because it was such a stupid reach. Everyone was stunned.

I vividly remember Kiper leafing through his journal at a feverish pace trying to find his evaluation of Harris because he had nothing prepared to say. 🤦‍♂️

[GoBirds 10,369]

20 minutes ago, JetMaxx said:

I vividly remember Kiper leafing through his journal at a feverish pace trying to find his evaluation of Harris because he had nothing prepared to say. 🤦‍♂️

Yep, I remember that. 

[babydemon90 1,104]

14 hours ago, GoBirds said:

Disagree, it was a 2nd rounder that forced a starting QB out of town creating a void instead of adding a skill player at a supporting position. Now that 2nd rounders uncertainty has our #1 pick in play for QB again.....instead of going to another position. I know Carson wasn’t Mahomes but at the time it was a terrible pick unless Hurts becomes a stud. 

If Wentz turns back into that 2017 MVP caliber talent, sure. If he simply reverts back to that middle tier average or worse QB he was every other year, its not great loss.  Time will tell. 

I don't disagree it was a terrible pick. I didn't like it at the time, and I still don't.  Just saying it didn't set up back years. The overall bad drafting and doubling down on old, oft-injured talent did that.