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This.Adam Gase has been hired twice in that span. A very risky hire to be sure, but no way it is the worst hire.
Aren't those both Heavy Metal bands?Don't forget Urban Blight & Urban Decay.
They made the playoffs once?you guys forget about Chip Kelly in Philly already?
Jags fans can rest easy on this news. We all know there is no better judge of character than Urban Meyer. If you can’t trust the guy who vetted and signed up Aaron Hernandez, who can you trust?
Why on earth, when you have the pick of all the strength and conditioning coaches from the collegiate ranks or the professional ranks -- even in the world -- do you hire this guy? This particular one? Another terrible hire. He's lighting it up, isn't he?https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30882524/jacksonville-jaguars-urban-meyer-defends-hiring-controversial-chris-doyle
Urban Meyer being forced to defend his decision to hire a former Iowa strength coach accused of making racial statements and abusing his players.
“But it was the hiring of Doyle, who had been Iowa's director of strength and conditioning from 1999 until this past June, that drew the most attention. Over the past year numerous former Iowa players spoke out about mistreatment within the Iowa program. A number of Black players said that Doyle used racist language and treated them differently based on their race.”
Because when you have a chance to hire a disgraced former strength coach over a similar candidate with no baggage, you have to take it. I’m sure this will go over well in the locker room. Things are shaping up nicely in JAX.
Was about to say the same. Why hire him out of all the strength coaches on earth?Why on earth, when you have the pick of all the strength and conditioning coaches from the collegiate ranks or the professional ranks -- even in the world, do you hire this guy? This particular one? Another terrible hire. He's lighting it up, isn't he?
I'm seriously confused. Unless you're out to prove some sort of weird point about immediate second chances, you try to avoid doing this. Maybe, once your culture is established you bring him is as a consultant in a year or so. But right now? In a position where the players have to trust their strength coach, he hires a coach fired for belittling and racially-tinged comments towards his own players?Was about to say the same. Why hire him out of all the strength coaches on earth?
Probably hubris more than anything else. I can’t even say I’m surprised. Meyer’s record when it comes to character issues speaks for itself. But the people who liked JAX’s hire of Meyer probably won’t be too concerned. This is a quote from the NFL.com article Faust linked above:Why on earth, when you have the pick of all the strength and conditioning coaches from the collegiate ranks or the professional ranks -- even in the world -- do you hire this guy? This particular one?
Exactly. The guy is toxic, and Meyer seems like he was going to prove some sort of point by hiring him. Makes no sense.When you even have to consider whether your strength coach hire might affect your ability to attract free agents, you’re doing it wrong.
He should hire Jim Turner next - collect all the garbage.Johnny Utah #9 said:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30882524/jacksonville-jaguars-urban-meyer-defends-hiring-controversial-chris-doyle
Urban Meyer being forced to defend his decision to hire a former Iowa strength coach accused of making racial statements and abusing his players.
“But it was the hiring of Doyle, who had been Iowa's director of strength and conditioning from 1999 until this past June, that drew the most attention. Over the past year numerous former Iowa players spoke out about mistreatment within the Iowa program. A number of Black players said that Doyle used racist language and treated them differently based on their race.”
Because when you have a chance to hire a disgraced former strength coach over a similar candidate with no baggage, you have to take it. I’m sure this will go over well in the locker room. Things shaping up nicely in JAX.
Oh wow. That's straightAnd - Doyle has resigned.
Nice work, Urbs.
And now that he is resigned amid controversy, Meyer Era off to a roaring start.Johnny Utah #9 said:https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30882524/jacksonville-jaguars-urban-meyer-defends-hiring-controversial-chris-doyle
Urban Meyer being forced to defend his decision to hire a former Iowa strength coach accused of making racial statements and abusing his players.
“But it was the hiring of Doyle, who had been Iowa's director of strength and conditioning from 1999 until this past June, that drew the most attention. Over the past year numerous former Iowa players spoke out about mistreatment within the Iowa program. A number of Black players said that Doyle used racist language and treated them differently based on their race.”
Because when you have a chance to hire a disgraced former strength coach over a similar candidate with no baggage, you have to take it. I’m sure this will go over well in the locker room. Things shaping up nicely in JAX.
There is some recently biases with Gase. Yes he was terrible but he had a 10 win season and made playoffs. Gus Bradley won 14 games in 4 years for the Jags. Hue Jackson won 3 games in 2.5 years in Cle.Gase was my first choice also. He has already shown that, while Meyer still has time.
So much for Meyer’s “I’ve known him for 20 years” comment hoping to smooth things over. Coming from a guy like Meyer, that’s not going to help Doyle’s case.And now that he is resigned amid controversy, Meyer Era off to a roaring start.
Yes, and we're so bad that we dip pigtails in ink blotters, too.Looks like the shark pool is sure he’ll be terrible. Guess I should put some money on them winning the super bowl in 2023.
Vast majority of time when this place gets riled up for no reason, it’s wrong by miles. Unless Josh Boyce is breaking out this year.Yes, and we're so bad that we dip pigtails in ink blotters, too.
Guy just made one of his first hires for an important position and picked a guy that got unceremoniously fired for racially insensitive comments. That's not "no reason." It was a stupid hire. If you really want the guy in your clubhouse, bring him in later when things are quiet. But it'sVast majority of time when this place gets riled up for no reason, it’s wrong by miles. Unless Josh Boyce is breaking out this year.
Username checks out. You go do that. You could also just cut out the middle man and literally light the money on fire as well.Looks like the shark pool is sure he’ll be terrible. Guess I should put some money on them winning the super bowl in 2023.
That’s the problem Meyer is going to have. He’s not at Ohio State anymore, one of the 12 or 13 programs that can win a title every year and that recruits are dying to play for - he’s in the nfl coaching multi-millionaire players and they will all be quick to tell him to piss right off if he goes too far.Guy just made one of his first hires for an important position and picked a guy that got unceremoniously fired for racially insensitive comments. That's not "no reason." It was a stupid hire. If you really want the guy in your clubhouse, bring him in later when things are quiet. But it's
- A bad look to his players
- A bad look around the league
- Reaffirming that he's a real "my way or the highway" guy, and that won't necessarily play in the NFL
naah swing for the fences get a bad person who is also a terrible coach:On the coaching hire, they should have settled for the "base hit" instead of trying for the home run. There has to be plenty of "not terrible" coaches to choose from. They have the Lawrence pick, cap space and some decent pieces in place. Who wouldn't be excited to come in and take on that challenge?
Yup and coming to a place where players are routinely metaphorically shooting their way out of town.Guy just made one of his first hires for an important position and picked a guy that got unceremoniously fired for racially insensitive comments. That's not "no reason." It was a stupid hire. If you really want the guy in your clubhouse, bring him in later when things are quiet. But it's
- A bad look to his players
- A bad look around the league
- Reaffirming that he's a real "my way or the highway" guy, and that won't necessarily play in the NFL
You should check in at the Mike McCarthy thread next. I'm sure you'll love that one as well.Vast majority of time when this place gets riled up for no reason, it’s wrong by miles. Unless Josh Boyce is breaking out this year.
He definitely got 10-12. No doubt in my mind.I don't think details of his contract are known, are they? That $12m amount was made up by the internet.
Another potential sore spot with players on an under cap team. Wait, you can't afford to get us more help but you can give this guy $10-12MM?He definitely got 10-12. No doubt in my mind.
Didn’t Pete Carroll leave USC just before all hell broke loose on the Reggie Bush scandal? That seems easily as bad as the scandal hopping from Meyer.This is a pure last pay day of his life, there will no Pete Carroll reincarnation in Jacksonville, Pete is a completely different type of coach and I don't think Meyer will be able to hold the locker room together when things go South.
You’re not likely to find the details unless you get your hands on the actual contract. It was widely reported he was seeking 12 mil. Ian Rapoport pushed back on the story but it wouldn’t be the first time he carried water for the NFL (his bosses). It was widely reported Matt Rhule got 9 per from Carolina, so if you think Urban and his inflated ego would settle for anything in that ballpark or south of it, I don’t know what to tell you. Given his mercenary nature and possibility of this being his last big cash grab, I would be very surprised if he didn’t get the 12 or very close to it.I don't think details of his contract are known, are they? That $12m amount was made up by the internet.
What Carroll did was happening on every campus in the country. I had the pleasure of living in SoCal/LA/SantaMonica from '00-'08, got to watch USC rise the entire time. I grew up in Miami/South Florida on the Miami Hurricanes, there were similarities plus the. Canes won in '01 with a dream team, they bent a few rules like everyone else, players get money put in their laps/hands in a variety of ways.Hot Sauce Guy said:Didn’t Pete Carroll leave USC just before all hell broke loose on the Reggie Bush scandal? That seems easily as bad as the scandal hopping from Meyer.