Insein
Footballguy
This tactic is not exclusive to the right or the left. It's used all the time by the elites. Divide and conquer.
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It is funny that you only notice it when the right does it because it is a common tactic of the left too.
Please tell me which major shows on the left do this like Carlson-hannity-ingraham. I only notice it on the right as its part of their agenda.
Its not close
BladeRunner
Footballguy
No joke. Take the challenge or move on.
we’re talking about a major “left” talking head that talks about the “right” in broad strokes to demean - ala Fox primetime
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Rachel maddow, lawrence odonnel, don lemon, etc, etc.
This is like shooting fish in a barrel. I mean, this was so easy a caveman could have done it.
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dawgtrails
Footballguy
I am quite pleased that there is nobody in my extended circle that watches any cable news shows like Maddow, Hannity, Carlson, Lemon, etc.
Alex P Keaton
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BladeRunner
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You are right that these have bias but they do not fit the discussion.Wait, wut? Really?
Explain to me why that's not even close?
Hannity routinely shows some quack or remote incident and then follows it up with something like “this is how the left thinks.”
Looking to sow fear through deceit. That’s the spine through Fox primetime shows.
that doesn’t exist to the same magnitude in any of the shows you mentioned. Not close.
we should have a hannity watch and mock party
BladeRunner
Footballguy
OMG. This is absurd.
You seriously telling me Maddow, Lemon and O'Donnel (just to name a few - there's a ton more) doesn't "fit the discussion"? With all due respect, you are out of your mind if you think that. A classic example of "your side does it but not mine" thinking.
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squistion
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Maddow and O'Donnell don't talk about the “right” in broad strokes to demean, if they have criticism it is specific as to who on the right they are referring to (and if you ever watched those shows you would agree).
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parasaurolophus
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First they make the broad statement. Then they shrink it.
They say things like the GOP is the party of violent extremism. Then they say a follow up like Marjorie taylor greene said xyz and is terrible.
People then read that as see, she is being specific. She is only criticizing that crazy congresswoman!
I watched a few minutes of Hannity on Fox last night, and a few minutes of Cuomo on CNN last night. Just for fun.BladeRunner said:
Hannity had senator Lindsey Graham on as a guest discussing impeachment. He thinks it's unconstitutional.
Cuomo had some guy nobody ever heard of that wrote a book about impeachment discussing impeachment. He thought Trump was still a threat to ruin democracy and destroy America.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
yeah, his whole premise is simply absurd. Not even sure why I'm wasting my time with it.I watched a few minutes of Hannity on Fox last night, and a few minutes of Cuomo on CNN last night. Just for fun.
Hannity had senator Lindsey Graham on as a guest discussing impeachment. He thinks it's unconstitutional.
Cuomo had some guy nobody ever heard of that wrote a book about impeachment discussing impeachment. He thought Trump was still a threat to ruin democracy and destroy America.
FairWarning
Footballguy
You’re a better man than me Tony, for watching both of them.
I know you want to brand it as bias blindness - but it’s two different things.BladeRunner said:
the ones you noted do not attempt to brand people by their party like the guys I mentioned
The Fox tactic is akin to prejudice - assuming everyone of a certain affiliation acts in the same way - which may be why it sells on Fox
BladeRunner
Footballguy
B and S.
Again, your assertion that "your side does it but not mine" is laughable on it's face. You're so blinded by partisan nonsense you can't see the forest for the trees.
Have a good day!
The distinction is clear if you are viewing both groups of speakers objectively
thats where your argument fails
i will try to stomach an hour of hannity lies soon and give some examples
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Let’s see if we can do a hannity watch party next week. I think that would open some eyes - and maybe even mineExcept you're not viewing anything objectively.
Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Cuomo might be worse than Hannity now.I watched a few minutes of Hannity on Fox last night, and a few minutes of Cuomo on CNN last night. Just for fun.
Hannity had senator Lindsey Graham on as a guest discussing impeachment. He thinks it's unconstitutional.
Cuomo had some guy nobody ever heard of that wrote a book about impeachment discussing impeachment. He thought Trump was still a threat to ruin democracy and destroy America.
Why are you acting like you know what you're talking about while simultaneously acting like you don't know what Hannity's show is like? Can't imagine anyone taking you seriously, let alone taking you up on your imaginary watchathon.
Avennatti was on CNN and MSNBC almost nightly before he was indicted. Talk about not vetting.
I think there is a flaw in your logic. Are you admitting he is over the top in anti-dem messaging? Cause that was the crux of the conversation
Yes. Then I switch the channel to CNN and Cuomo, and it was even worse from the left:
Some of us aren't completely blind to one side, some of us apparently are.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Just stop watching cable news shows. It's pretty simple folks. They are all garbage, some more than others obviously. Read a newspaper, listen to NPR, follow some good folks on twitter, download a podcast. We all deserve better
timschochet
Footballguy
This is a rare occasion in which I agree with @BladeRunner. All three of the people you mention will quote one extreme conservative and then attempt to paint all conservatives with the same broad brush. I tend to like all 3 of these folks but it would be dishonest to pretend that they don’t do this, exactly like Hannity and Carlson do to liberals.BladeRunner said:
MSNBC Host Rachel Maddow: All Republicans are “Violent Fascists”
Rachel Maddow Reveals What Republican Voters Really Want In Scathing Takedown
Rachel Maddow: GOP has become party of a 'fringe, violent, extremist criminal movement'
Rachel Maddow Says ‘Violent Insurrectionism’ Is Now The Core Of The Republican Party
In fairness, Maddow is better than most at focusing on the issue and not painting with broad strokes. But Don Lemon? He generalizes about as much as anyone. I could post his examples but I don’t have the time.
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Not being dishonest - but open minded enough to say maybe I should take a second look
timschochet
Footballguy
There’s an added problem here: for many years these liberal opinion shows offered the worst sort of stereotypes about conservatives: that they were racist, homophobic, xenophobic, sexist, unfeeling, authoritarian, militaristic (without actual military service), pro-fascist, etc etc. These stereotypes were almost always unfair and conservatives were rightly pissed off about them.
Then the Republican Party chose as its leader a guy who openly embraced every one of these stereotypes!! And even now he remains the most important person in the GOP. This makes it a lot easier for the liberal opinion hosts, and a lot harder for conservatives to be angry about the stereotypes.
rockaction
Footballguy
This is very true. One of the worst things to happen to Republicans was to nominate and send a man to the presidency who was the embodiment of liberal smears against GOP members. Just when we were getting over it, along comes this happening to reaffirm, and in some cases, confirm, what people who were dyed-in-the-wool liberals thought about GOP members. The untold damage this has done to the GOP will reverberate among voters and its effects will last another thirty years. Republicans, long on the side of political majoritarianism when it comes to social issues (meaning that majorities acting through the legislature are something to consult when determining rights rather than through an individualistic/court lens) will have a hard time positing that it is political science rather than hate that motivates them with respect to this view
DocHolliday
Footballguy
You are a brave man. Watching any of those right or left smear shows is a waste of time. You may as well watch infomercials.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
And I bet you think she's doing this out of the kindness of her own heart too, don't you? Very cute.
But, in all reality, it's still a GOOD thing regardless of the motivations behind it.
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IvanKaramazov
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If we establish a new norm whereby the preferred means of trolling the other side is to raise money for their constituents, that would be a good step in the right direction.
Why not just say it rather than add a laughing emoji and taking a shot? Set a higher bar for yourself.And I bet you think she's doing this out of the kindness of her own heart too, don't you? Very cute.
But, in all reality, it's still a GOOD thing regardless of the motivations behind it.
and let me post your standard response and save you processing time ====>
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tommyGunZ
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Perhaps the may of the accusations and descriptions were not as unfair and off base as you thought back then?
Sabertooth
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Exactly. It does some good and is easy political loot to get. Win win for all involved. Especially those in need.And I bet you think she's doing this out of the kindness of her own heart too, don't you? Very cute.
But, in all reality, it's still a GOOD thing regardless of the motivations behind it.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
So re:the panic button story...
What makes more sense here?
Sinister plot to single out Ayanna Pressley. Which for some reason was never carried out and they never even attempted to enter the building where Pressleys office is.
Or.....
Pressley was in an office that was registered to Katie Hill and they removed the buttons(some time ago) because Katie Hill wasnt there anymore.
(Katie hill and Pressley swapped offices because Hill found out the former holder of that office was an idol of Ayanna Pressleys.)
Also the buttons arent "torn out" they are actually removed every time an office is scheduled to be turned over or even have new furniture so that they dont get set off accidentally.
What makes more sense here?
Sinister plot to single out Ayanna Pressley. Which for some reason was never carried out and they never even attempted to enter the building where Pressleys office is.
Or.....
Pressley was in an office that was registered to Katie Hill and they removed the buttons(some time ago) because Katie Hill wasnt there anymore.
(Katie hill and Pressley swapped offices because Hill found out the former holder of that office was an idol of Ayanna Pressleys.)
Also the buttons arent "torn out" they are actually removed every time an office is scheduled to be turned over or even have new furniture so that they dont get set off accidentally.
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Sabertooth
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