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I mean I guess but I imagine Jax would absolutely thrilled if Lawrence led the league in passing yards at 70% with high TD% and only 7 INT running for 28/game at age 25. That’s mvp type stuff.
This. And listen I love Lawrence. Great head no his shoulders, he's not lazy, he will be a very good QB. But Watson is elite right now. And he's had very little stability in the offense. I think we've not seen his best football yet.
Somebody did this recently but off the top of my head...
So I guess that is 25%??
It's more important to look over the time since the recent CBA, because top rookie picks like the Sam Bradfords, Staffords, and Matt Ryans were making franchise money on draft day.
it's not just about rookie deals. brady was consistently under-market, which should also be considered.
QB as % of salary cap: Super Bowl Titles and High Salary Quarterbacks | Over the Cap
This is common misconception I'm seeing floated around here.
Almost typed something similar yesterday. This also assumes Lawrence is a stud and then doesn’t get extended early after year 3, which is becoming very common with stud young QB’s. Watson and Mahomes were just extended after year 3, there is chatter that Lamar Jackson and Josh Allen will sign massive extensions this off-season after year 3 as well.
If a major part of your job was to win games, I think he has a right to some beef with what Houston has done the last two seasons. And how much "chirping" has he actually done. It seems the same story just keeps getting repeated over and over.
Depends on how they structure it, at the very least any signing bonus would start to get pro-rated in year 4. For Mahomes it was only an extra $2M in year 4 against the cap, for Watson it was $5.4M.
A big part of that 75% is Brady who generally took a discount of his contract - which he could afford being married to Giselle.
I thought our more prominent Boston fans on the board had debunked the discount stuff? Brady had often agreed to restructure was my understanding lowering his cap #, but it’s not like he was leaving tens of millions on the table like the difference between a rookie QB contract and a veteran.
Get the memo? This philosophy has been said ad nauseam since Seattle won with Russ.
I don't remember his ever being the highest paid QB in the league. I don't believe anyone is saying he played way below market or anything but it's been pretty widely reported he's given a hometown discount. Maybe that's misrepresented though.
I don't know myself, but I think that was exactly his argument, that it was misrepresented.
Yes, yes, yes!!!!
Flacco in 2012 threw for 3800 yards with 22 TDs and 10 INTs.
It's less about having elite play on a rookie deal, it's more about never paying a QB elite money.
I think I will go with a guaranteed top end QB over Lawrence and any other player.
I disagree with your vibration on this post however...I am honestly wondering why we are even having Watson discussions just because he won't answer the phone, is that all you have to do to get out of an NFL team?
You said he chirps and that's not a compliment. Good leaders speak out and call notice to things that are not right, that's what Watson is doing, He's NOT CHIRPING! Why would you want to shut him up? What right do you have to say that a player should just take his money and not chirp?
You're a weirdo.You said he chirps and that's not a compliment. Good leaders speak out and call notice to things that are not right, that's what Watson is doing, He's NOT CHIRPING! Why would you want to shut him up? What right do you have to say that a player should just take his money and not chirp?
You couldn't be more wrong in your view of Watson. He's not chirping, the Silence was Deafening, ever hear that one? That's what Watson is doing, he's not some little sparrow chirping on the fence.
Watson is one of the Top5 QBs in the NFL IMHO and I think he also is a very intelligent player that just produced 88% of his team's entire offense, not sure that has ever been done before and between all that chirping he does according to you.
LOL at comparing these guys to Lawrence. Lawrence is a generational talent without any baggage.
I will add that of the 16 starting QB's for the team that made the Super Bowl during those 8 years (and I am counting Wentz as the starting QB for the Eagles since that is what he was until he was hurt, and the Eagles probably don't make the Super Bowl if Foles were QB the whole season), 7 were on their rookie deal, 4 were Tom Brady on his below market salary, and 5 were experienced QB's on market value contracts. So 11 out of 16 (68%) were either on rookie or discounted contracts.Edgar said:
You kind of glossed over the 88% of the total offense he accounted for, nobody else anywhere close to that as far as I know, what part of the job didn't he do Andy?Andy Dufresne said:
Since I already amended it earlier, no.
Of course it's part of the equation. But he could also be Elway, Manning or Luck which his scouting reports indicate he's closer to than the busts you and a few others have mentioned. If this is a normal year than I think 95% or more would be on the Watson side of this, including me but Lawrence is a talent that only seemingly comes around once per decade. I'll take that chance. I'm expecting a Herbert type season for Lawrence next year and I wouldn't trade Herbert for Watson straight up either.
The only difference is that Herbert has actually done it at the NFL level so the risk is diminished quite a bit so I wouldn't give up Herbert for Watson either. Lawrence on the other hand has risk. Scouts are not perfect. I see the absolute best outcome for Lawrence is to have a year like Herbert. That is if all goes right for him. It was a historic rookie QB performance. The chances of that happening are small which is why Watson would be my choice.
None of those QBs were considered to be in the same league as a prospect as Lawrence is. This does nothing to change my stance.
