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The Biden executive order is far more ambitious. Any school that receives federal funding—including nearly every public high school—must either allow biological boys who self-identify as girls onto girls’ sports teams or face administrative action from the Education Department. 
 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/joe-bidens-first-day-began-the-end-of-girls-sports-11611341066

 

any thoughts on this from the Biden fans?

 

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Biological males playing female sports is not a good idea.  

I do appreciate that this thread is nearly 100% cordial and respectful. If this thread popped up 10 years ago, I can't imagine the level of discourse would be anywhere near this. It is such a com

I've read just about all of your posts here.... I'll be honest.  I don't know what to think about this topic specifically anymore.  Not because I am incapable of forming an opinion (we all know that i

2 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

Hmmm

Just scrolling  worked for me. I’m not a subscriber 

Nothing to do with this specific article, but I have noticed that the paywall status on various sites can depend on the browser, link source (e.g. paywalled if going direct, not if sourced from, say, Digg or Chrome), ad blockers, etc.  There are enough variations that I generally don't bother trying to figure it out.  If it works off the bat I read, if not I usually don't.

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3 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

Do you think there's going to be a significant number of athletes that want to do this?

Well didn't you read the title? Apaprently enough to destroy women's sports in totality

Joe Biden’s First Day Began the End of Girls’ Sports

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22 minutes ago, Rich Conway said:

Nothing to do with this specific article, but I have noticed that the paywall status on various sites can depend on the browser, link source (e.g. paywalled if going direct, not if sourced from, say, Digg or Chrome), ad blockers, etc.  There are enough variations that I generally don't bother trying to figure it out.  If it works off the bat I read, if not I usually don't.

 

17 minutes ago, squistion said:

Me too, have to subscribe to read the full story. 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-executive-order-lgbtq-womens-sports-transgender-1563631%3famp=1

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13 minutes ago, dawgtrails said:

Well didn't you read the title? Apaprently enough to destroy women's sports in totality

Joe Biden’s First Day Began the End of Girls’ Sports

It’s an opinion piece

any thoughts on the EO?

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Just now, Cowboysfan8 said:

It’s an opinion piece

any thoughts on the EO?

I get that it is an opinion piece. The title is garbage though.

And I am with @The Z Machinehere in that this EO is going to affect such a miniscule number of people that I really haven't given it much thought

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8 minutes ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

I can read this one.  Seems a lot more opinion and "reactions to" than actual substance about the EO itself.  I don't have time to look up the text of the EO at the moment, but my initial reaction at first blush is that I can see where it might create unfair competition in specific instances.  I also suspect that most critics are (intentionally) grossly exaggerating the number of instances where this will occur.  Ultimately, my answer is "I don't know".  We should strive to be fair.  We should also strive to not discriminate on the basis of gender.  Those two goals appear to be in conflict here, at least on the margins.

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https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/22/transgender-athletes-joe-biden-executive-order

Joe Biden's gender discrimination order offers hope for young trans athletes

Joe Biden’s first day in office delivered an incremental victory for transgender athletes seeking to participate as their identified gender in high school and college sports.

Among the flurry of executive orders signed on Wednesday, Biden called on all federal agencies to enforce a US supreme court decision from last year that expanded the definition of sex discrimination to include discrimination based on sexual orientation as well as gender identity – with language that explicitly referenced the arena of high school and college sports.

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports,” the directive states, adding that the incoming administration is committed to “prevent and combat discrimination on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation”.

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1 hour ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

The Biden executive order is far more ambitious. Any school that receives federal funding—including nearly every public high school—must either allow biological boys who self-identify as girls onto girls’ sports teams or face administrative action from the Education Department. 
 

 

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.wsj.com/amp/articles/joe-bidens-first-day-began-the-end-of-girls-sports-11611341066

 

any thoughts on this from the Biden fans?

 

This is so crazy, no way males should be playing female sports. Completely unfair. 

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25 minutes ago, squistion said:

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2021/jan/22/transgender-athletes-joe-biden-executive-order

Joe Biden's gender discrimination order offers hope for young trans athletes

Joe Biden’s first day in office delivered an incremental victory for transgender athletes seeking to participate as their identified gender in high school and college sports.

Among the flurry of executive orders signed on Wednesday, Biden called on all federal agencies to enforce a US supreme court decision from last year that expanded the definition of sex discrimination to include discrimination based on sexual orientation as well as gender identity – with language that explicitly referenced the arena of high school and college sports.

“Children should be able to learn without worrying about whether they will be denied access to the restroom, the locker room, or school sports,” the directive states, adding that the incoming administration is committed to “prevent and combat discrimination on the basis of gender identity or sexual orientation”.

[...]

 

I'm all for inclusion, and helping trans folks fit in.......BUT, there's got to be some boundaries, and common sense.  

Let's say you have a 6'7" 250 lb. biological male who identifies as a girl and he plays women's B-ball in high school......how does that make any sense?  I mean at what point does your biology matter?

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51 minutes ago, Manster said:

Biological males playing female sports is not a good idea.

 

If those people choose to live as female, not just on the sports fields, but all the time, I think allowing those individuals to play on the girls team is just fine by me. 

I highly doubt there will be a single instance of a kid trying to game the system by changing their gender in all aspects rather than just for sports.

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2 minutes ago, The Z Machine said:

If those people choose to live as female, not just on the sports fields, but all the time, I think allowing those individuals to play on the girls team is just fine by me. 

I highly doubt there will be a single instance of a kid trying to game the system by changing their gender in all aspects rather than just for sports.

Not what I'm saying at all....

I'm saying if you are male, biologically, you shouldn't play women's sports.

It's kinda like pee wee football where you have some kids who are huge compared to others, at that age.  So they have a weight limit on who can play RB.......so the small kids don't get trucked every play.

imo, it's not all or nothing with this stuff.  Some decisions need to weigh factors other than feelings.....

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Remember when allowing people to use the restroom of the gender they identify as was going to result in a bunch of perverts peeping and sexually assaulting women?

It’s the same scenario here. The assumption is that a bunch of kids are going to abuse this rule and ruin women’s sports. Reality is that some may try to so but it’s very unlikely to be widely abused and become a significant issue. Sure it will cause some problems from time to time but it’s a way to help a group that’s highly likely to suffer from severe depression and consider suicide. The good outweighs the bad.

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I disagree with this policy. As much as I support trans rights, this will lead to unfair advantages in sports and potentially dangerous scenarios too. That being said, I view the overall issue similar to others in this thread. I don’t see a ton of people abusing it and in terms of other issues currently facing the country, this one is very low on the totem pole.

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53 minutes ago, Manster said:

I'm all for inclusion, and helping trans folks fit in.......BUT, there's got to be some boundaries, and common sense.  

Let's say you have a 6'7" 250 lb. biological male who identifies as a girl and he plays women's B-ball in high school......how does that make any sense?  I mean at what point does your biology matter?

:goodposting:

Exactly, I want everyone to be happy but if this is a decision you make to be happy then you need to be ok sacrificing female sports. It’s not safe and ridiculous. 

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35 minutes ago, GoBirds said:

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Exactly, I want everyone to be happy but if this is a decision you make to be happy then you need to be ok sacrificing female sports. It’s not safe and ridiculous. 

I don't agree with @GoBirds often - but I think the EO is ridiculous. Give the LGBQT community the bakeries and bathrooms. Males playing female sports is a line that shouldn't be crossed.

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3 hours ago, Cowboysfan8 said:

any thoughts on this ....?

 

 

Three core issues

1) Will this new public policy essentially come in contradiction to Title IX? And if so, at what points? Effective public policy does not act in a regressive manner to established previous policy that no one is arguing about and everyone can see the merits of it.

2) How will this impact, if at all, athletic scholarships? For some, success in athletics and getting a scholarship is the only real way they can go to and afford college/university.

3) In terms of politics, will several public test cases that spin in a negative direction cause Biden/Harris to lose the critical suburban female vote. Everyone is extremely "liberal" out loud, but once you come near their homes and their children, you'll find a much different response.

As I've said for years on this site, if you want to find the two biggest groups of bigots, xenophobes and racists in America, just look at parents and homeowners. I've never heard more racist things in my life than when a parent is screaming about some perceived harm coming near their child. Or encroaching into their actual neighborhood.

The Squad original member Ayanna Pressley just asked her local police department for a full time security detail around her residence. This after calls for defunding the police and saying in public that "there must (definitely).... be...  unrest...in the ... streets....as long.....as.. there will be... unrest... in all our lives"  Lori Lightfoot encouraged protests that turned to riots and looting, except when it encroached into her neighborhood, then she declared no one could protest in her neighborhood on the public streets, then stationed up to ONE HUNDRED AND FIFTY OFFICERS A NIGHT outside her residence. Her tactical commanders begged her to take her wife and relocate into a secure high rise ( much easier to secure and defend with less manpower) so they could redeploy those officers into critical riot zones, and she said No.

So the public reaction will come down to the test cases. If you have X number of high school and college sports, and you'll have Y number of total men playing women sports, and out of those, you'll have Z number who are just gaming the system in some fashion. Out of group Z, how many will end up raping one of their female teammates?

Because that's the only narrative needed, just one high profile case, for Biden/Harris to lose the entire suburban female voting block.

LGBT are only a small percentage of the total population, but the critical issue is where they have density ( Big Blue cities that the DNC needs) They are also disproportionately represented in Hollywood against the average. Anywhere from 72 to 81 percent of all registered LGBT voters who did vote did so for Joe Biden. The turn out rate was 93 percent out of total registered, but the critical number is that roughly 25 percent were first time voters. In order to hold those voters, Biden has to give them something for their votes.

Here's the problem for the DNC, they need both the LGBT vote AND the suburban female vote to win POTUS and down the ticket. When one interferes with the vote for the other, you have problems.

I do not see this ending well. Those who say it will only impact only a small number of people, well if you were a 17 year old girl and your only hope at college is an athletic scholarship and now some guy playing on your lacrosse team is wiping everyone out, those statistics mean jack #### to her and her life and her opportunity. This doesn't even address two big fallout situations of all this

A) Lots of parents might pull their daughters out of sports over even just one male on their teams causing massive attention/mayhem/SJW grief for their own individual cause. This doesn't help our society. I have nothing against LGBT folks, but there is a balance here about fairness but also practicality.

B) Wealthier areas and parents will have a massive advantage. They'll just start private sports leagues that involve only their personal funding. Another situation where rich kids can keep trucking and poor kids, where sports if one of the few vehicles in life that can cause someone to leapfrog standard class division on society, have yet another hurdle in place.

The unsettling issue is the progressive creeping of the ever progressive/socialist leaning of our current government into telling people how to raise their kids. This goes beyond partisan politics, you don't walk into a man's home and tell him how to raise his children.

Some of you voted for this madness, so here you have it. Sit down and eat the whole meal.

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The problem where this leads is that a person too slow to qualify for the Boston marathon as a male just needs to identify as a female to get in.  Maybe we just call it sports and go co-ed.  The best play at the highest levels and the lesser athletes play rec.

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10 minutes ago, rcam said:

I don't agree with @GoBirds often - but I think the EO is ridiculous. Give the LGBQT community the bakeries and bathrooms. Males playing female sports is a line that shouldn't be crossed.

This EO is bending over backwards letting them make their own rules to be happy/comfortable in society while totally disregarding not only others feelings but their safety most importantly. 

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3 hours ago, Rich Conway said:

Nothing to do with this specific article, but I have noticed that the paywall status on various sites can depend on the browser, link source (e.g. paywalled if going direct, not if sourced from, say, Digg or Chrome), ad blockers, etc.  There are enough variations that I generally don't bother trying to figure it out.  If it works off the bat I read, if not I usually don't.

Haven't read the article. Did read the actual Executive Order.

Its rather hollow, honestly. 

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2 hours ago, The Z Machine said:

If those people choose to live as female, not just on the sports fields, but all the time, I think allowing those individuals to play on the girls team is just fine by me. 

I highly doubt there will be a single instance of a kid trying to game the system by changing their gender in all aspects rather than just for sports.

That's crazy.  Do you have any skin in the game regarding this topic?  Because it seems like those who don't have to worry about this are ALL FOR this crap.

I know someone who does have skin in the game and is currently going thru this :bs: right now.

One of the problems is that these boys playing girl are absolutely crushing otherwise superb female athletes and winning all of the awards.  This is important for some of these really good female athletes when it comes to scholarships, other educational opportunities or even payday opportunities.  Think of it as a resume. 

Not only that, in some sports like MMA and wrestling where the guys playing girl can beat the living sh#t out of these girls.  In no way, shape or form is these even remotely fair to REAL, ACTUAL women.  

I'm guessing a lot of you who want this would have a much different take if you had a daughter in sports.  I do kind of blame women too, because their the ones most of the time in support of this also.  Y'know, bleeding heart nonsense and all that.

The fringe minority groups should be catering to the other 99.9%.  We should not be catering to them.

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4 hours ago, The Z Machine said:

Do you think there's going to be a significant number of athletes that want to do this?

Cool.  Then we can keep biological males with biological males and biological females with biological females since it doesn't affect a lot of people.

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2 hours ago, Manster said:

Not what I'm saying at all....

I'm saying if you are male, biologically, you shouldn't play women's sports.

It's kinda like pee wee football where you have some kids who are huge compared to others, at that age.  So they have a weight limit on who can play RB.......so the small kids don't get trucked every play.

imo, it's not all or nothing with this stuff.  Some decisions need to weigh factors other than feelings.....

I am sympathetic to your argument.  But using the term “feelings” to describe the trans experience just proves how much work we as a society have to do here.  

Do you know any trans people?

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47 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Cool.  Then we can keep biological males with biological males and biological females with biological females since it doesn't affect a lot of people.

It’s not that simple.  If we as a society are going to accept trans people for who they are and not discriminate against them, then we can’t exclude them from certain aspects of public life based on their biology.  

It is really tough issue when it comes to athletics.  I agree a transgender biological male, all other things being equal, will have a competitive advantage in a wide range of sports. However, if that is a sacrifice we have to make to accept them fully into our society and public life, I think it is one I support.  

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3 minutes ago, zoonation said:

It’s not that simple.  If we as a society are going to accept trans people for who they are and not discriminate against them, then we can’t exclude them from certain aspects of public life based on their biology.  

It is really tough issue when it comes to athletics.  I agree a transgender biological male, all other things being equal, will have a competitive advantage in a wide range of sports. However, if that is a sacrifice we have to make to accept them fully into our society and public life, I think it is one I support.  

Not discriminate against them? This is blowing past equality to giving unfair advantages in this situation? Why are you totally discounting the feeling of those that aren’t comfortable with not only the unfair advantage but the physical risk in some instances? It doesn’t sound like you want fair treatment, you want to give in to anything and totally disregard others feelings. That’s not the solution if equal treatment is the goal. 

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23 minutes ago, zoonation said:

I am sympathetic to your argument.  But using the term “feelings” to describe the trans experience just proves how much work we as a society have to do here.  

Do you know any trans people?

I'm really not trying to be insensitive.   I'm only trying to say that in some instances biology does matter.  This is one of those instances.

Bigger picture....I think one of the key issues of our country is the inability to compromise on issues such as this.  Other examples would be gun control, or abortion.....it becomes heated, and emotional, and common sense goes out the window.....name calling ensues.

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47 minutes ago, zoonation said:

It’s not that simple.  If we as a society are going to accept trans people for who they are and not discriminate against them, then we can’t exclude them from certain aspects of public life based on their biology.  

It is really tough issue when it comes to athletics.  I agree a transgender biological male, all other things being equal, will have a competitive advantage in a wide range of sports. However, if that is a sacrifice we have to make to accept them fully into our society and public life, I think it is one I support.  

they already are accepted, but the 99.9% of society should not be changing around a .00004% of our society.

They should be changing around us. I'm sick and tired of catering to fringe groups. Up until 2019 transgenderism was a mental illness and then they changed it for compassionate reasons.

If acceptance means that everyone else has to change around them then I'm not accepting that.  not only that, I actually want to protect our young women.  You can be accepted and I don't think you'll find anyone against that, but demanding that the rest of society change around you is beyond absurd in this case.

I can't get on board with anything you said. I think it's nothing more than a feel-good post and certainly sounds like it's coming from someone with no skin in the game.  I'm not attacking you personally because I know you're not the only one with those views, but I think they are shortsighted.

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I have two hard lines on trans people.

One is the physical transitioning of minors through hormone blockers and/or surgery.

The other is biological males in women's sports.

At the core of transgenderism is a psychological component and while I understand the need to allow for inclusion and protection of people, it cannot override the physical reality of their sex, nor should it be allowed to be determined before adulthood.  The fact is, biologically speaking, they are not the sex of the gender they are living under and some things cannot be bent to that reality, no matter how much people want them to.  It isn't fair to the millions of female atheletes for the small minority of trans women compete against them, it just isn't.

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A key distinction is: What does a male need to do in order to be classified as transgender and compete as a female? I mentioned above that in our high school sports league, the upshot of this EO has been in place for a couple years and boys do not just show up and say "Hey, I am a girl today". The reason is that there are criteria which includes, I forget the exact language, but something to the effect of "consistent, insistent, persistent" female identification from the person in question. In other words, it is not just a flip-the-switch kind of thing that can be abused to gain a competitive advantage. Typically, these kids go through a many-months (if not years) process to be considered female.

I have not read the text of the executive order nor do I know what criteria, if any, is spelled out for biologically male athletes who identify as females. I'd agree that it is bad policy if athletes can "flip the switch" very conveniently or temporarily which is a valid concern. For those consistently, insistently and persistently transgender, could there be a case where a physically gifted player then dominates that particular female league? Sure, of course that is possible but my opinion is that it would be a very rare circumstance. Which is to say we will see it all over the news if/when it happens. Seems a reasonable pros vs cons to me if it means inclusivity for a chunk of marginalized folks but I totally see why others would be on the other side of the argument.

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3 hours ago, Biff84 said:

Remember when allowing people to use the restroom of the gender they identify as was going to result in a bunch of perverts peeping and sexually assaulting women?

It’s the same scenario here. The assumption is that a bunch of kids are going to abuse this rule and ruin women’s sports. Reality is that some may try to so but it’s very unlikely to be widely abused and become a significant issue. Sure it will cause some problems from time to time but it’s a way to help a group that’s highly likely to suffer from severe depression and consider suicide. The good outweighs the bad.

The bathroom thing was always ridiculous, but I am far more side eyed about this. Not enough to make an issue of it until after it becomes one though. My inclination is it won't be abused, but if it is this is an issue that I may whiplash. 

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4 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

I have two hard lines on trans people.

One is the physical transitioning of minors through hormone blockers and/or surgery.

The other is biological males in women's sports.

At the core of transgenderism is a psychological component and while I understand the need to allow for inclusion and protection of people, it cannot override the physical reality of their sex, nor should it be allowed to be determined before adulthood.  The fact is, biologically speaking, they are not the sex of the gender they are living under and some things cannot be bent to that reality, no matter how much people want them to.  It isn't fair to the millions of female atheletes for the small minority of trans women compete against them, it just isn't.

So you are saying  that the decision can never be made by someone to do the things to make their body fit who they are until it is already too late?   How is that not cruel?

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At face value, I don’t like the EO.  I honestly haven’t researched it enough to really have an opinion but the skeptic in me says this was a purely political move that wasn’t a pressing issue.  Also, I’m not sure this is something that needs to be done at a Federal level - let states decide this for themselves.  I get Federal funding is involved but I’m not completely swayed by that.

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11 minutes ago, Bottomfeeder Sports said:

So you are saying  that the decision can never be made by someone to do the things to make their body fit who they are until it is already too late?   How is that not cruel?

Wow that is really loaded.

Are they old enough to make that decision?  At 17, we don't let children drink, smoke, vote or join the army.  But somehow they can make life altering surgical decisions? No, sorry, not ready.  Not sure how that is cruel, but rather seems responsible.

Also, what do you mean by too late?  Caitlyn Jenner was what, like 60 before transitioning? I'm not really up on what physical transitioning entails, but I've never heard that it is "too late" once someone reaches adulthood.

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38 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

Wow that is really loaded.

Are they old enough to make that decision?  At 17, we don't let children drink, smoke, vote or join the army.  But somehow they can make life altering surgical decisions? No, sorry, not ready.  Not sure how that is cruel, but rather seems responsible.

Also, what do you mean by too late?  Caitlyn Jenner was what, like 60 before transitioning? I'm not really up on what physical transitioning entails, but I've never heard that it is "too late" once someone reaches adulthood.

https://video.vice.com/en_us/video/inside-the-lives-of-transgender-children/5a564a36177dd4404f7f2661

The topic of "too late" starts approximately around the 9 minute mark.  The topic of cruelty starts from the very beginning. 

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22 minutes ago, Jayrod said:

Wow that is really loaded.

Are they old enough to make that decision?  At 17, we don't let children drink, smoke, vote or join the army.  But somehow they can make life altering surgical decisions? No, sorry, not ready.  Not sure how that is cruel, but rather seems responsible.

Also, what do you mean by too late?  Caitlyn Jenner was what, like 60 before transitioning? I'm not really up on what physical transitioning entails, but I've never heard that it is "too late" once someone reaches adulthood.

:goodposting: 100%. 

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2 hours ago, zoonation said:

It’s not that simple.  If we as a society are going to accept trans people for who they are and not discriminate against them, then we can’t exclude them from certain aspects of public life based on their biology.  

It is really tough issue when it comes to athletics.  I agree a transgender biological male, all other things being equal, will have a competitive advantage in a wide range of sports. However, if that is a sacrifice we have to make to accept them fully into our society and public life, I think it is one I support.  

I'm all for not discriminating against them.  But there are biological differences.  Once they get to high school, that gap is even wider.  I have two daughters and I'd probably be pretty chapped if a biological male injured one of them in sports.   I know personally I'd pull my daughters and forfeit rather than having them go through such a farce.  

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6 hours ago, The Z Machine said:

If those people choose to live as female, not just on the sports fields, but all the time, I think allowing those individuals to play on the girls team is just fine by me. 

I highly doubt there will be a single instance of a kid trying to game the system by changing their gender in all aspects rather than just for sports.

A person might choose to live as a woman, but they can't choose to be female.  You're either born female or you're not, and there's nothing anybody can do about it one way or the other.

IMO, it makes a lot of sense to segregate bathrooms by gender, not sex, if we're going to segregate them at all.  On the other hand, it makes little to no sense to segregate sports by gender and lots of sense to segregate them by sex.

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2 hours ago, zoonation said:

It’s not that simple.  If we as a society are going to accept trans people for who they are and not discriminate against them, then we can’t exclude them from certain aspects of public life based on their biology.  

The entire concept of men's vs. women's sports is, or at least was, based on discrimination based on biology.  And that was a good call.  Some forms of discrimination are fine -- this is one of them.

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2 hours ago, IvanKaramazov said:

A person might choose to live as a woman, but they can't choose to be female.  You're either born female or you're not, and there's nothing anybody can do about it one way or the other.

IMO, it makes a lot of sense to segregate bathrooms by gender, not sex, if we're going to segregate them at all.  On the other hand, it makes little to no sense to segregate sports by gender and lots of sense to segregate them by sex.

What about intersex people?

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Living in Connecticut this has been a hot issue for some time.  There are 3 boys that have been dominating women’s track and field recently specifically the 100m and 200m races.   I think you can’t opt for any surgery until 18 to start the transition so they are 100% male while competing.  

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