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Sure. We can limit it to that. I thought you were talking about the history of men in general. Men have had it worse in America, though. I never claimed that, really. If one simply looks at things from a class paradigm, lower and middle class laborers have had it much worse. I just said they were getting left behind and that feminism had usurped some traditional ways of doing and certain folkways and rendered them undesirable.
Sure, I get it, and fundamentally I mostly agree (I agree with the change you outline, just disagree on the reasons for the change). But as I read it your brass tax case is that men are less manly, maybe more then ever. I just found BR’s point, that many see the change but still feel it’s worse then ever, as being an interesting parallel with your point (lots of progress but as a result less manliness).
To address the point as to why men are less manly today, I don’t view feminism as the root cause. It’s certainly a factor, but in my opinion a minor one. I think the Socio-economics is really the driving factor. The truth is for the majority of Americans life is physical as easy as it’s ever been in history, even for the poor. Generally there isn’t a need for the physical dominance of men in the way that there has been in the past. It’s a waning skill set. Today men in general aren’t being required, for survival or even for being the provider, to face the challenges of it. Add to that the cultural shift of women playing a large role in providing monetarily to the household and you get where we are.
I agree, which is why I wondered upthread how much the democratic, peaceful, capitalist project has played a role in men becoming less manly.
dkp993 said:
Come on Blade, it’s very obviously 80.19%I was thinking more along the lines of 72.77% to 77.33%. give or take a few decimal points.
This entire discussion has been a joy to read, for just about all of you doing it. Kudos.rockaction said:
Watch it or the left will cancel you.IT'S NOT THE WHITE F'N POWER SIGN!!!!!
Who the hell said it was? This is beyond absurd.
He damn well should be changed because he's making an OK sign which is clearly him traitorously supporting Nebraska's one-time arch-rival Oklahoma.Nebraska Cornhusker Herbie Husker logo changed because he was making the White Power sign.
Can see him being placed on administrative leave just for exercising spectacularly poor judgment.
If you think people should be placed on administrative leave for opposing affirmative action, what do you do with this person?
https://www.insidehighered.com/quick-takes?page=1 (paywalled, but membership is free).
I'm one. I dont put anything out on SM that could be considered questionable. Plus a lot of my clients have different political views than I do and we follow each other on SM. Sorry, red...blue....but green is my politics and their money feeds my kids regardless of their stance on anything.
Look, you’re in this world far more than I am so I largely defer to your insight and concerns on the issue. My comment wasn’t intended to be taken literally with respect to the degree to which faculty should be free to exercise their views without consequence but rather was a flippant response on how poorly the individual’s choice of words were with respect to conveying the point.
Fair enough -- I'll admit that I missed the "flippant" part and probably mistook your point.
Yeah, this is a point of disagreement. I would not fire a person for saying that. I work at a public university, so in our case this would be an open and shut first amendment issue, but I would strongly disapprove of disciplining a faculty member for that statement even at a private school.
Yes. It's admittedly a harder issue for private firms, and I don't really mind a private company canning somebody who said the thing that you suggested. I would prefer not to, but I can see why a manager would do that for business-related reasons.
I did the first, as well, so familiar with the setting. If it's any consolation I don't know of a guy in my class that didn't get married.
I'm not sure if he's the guy who came up with this or not, but I picked up the term "crybullies" from Andrew Sullivan. It's a really nice neologism to describe our new ruling class.
Not a Goldberg fan. But I really hate suspensions and firings for wrong think and or misspeak. I don’t care who you are or what you say. I’d rather hear it and know what I’m dealing with. If you were misunderstood or taken out of context or you just maybe need to be corrected fine. Let’s just stop the hyperventilating and over reaction. Whoopi doesn’t hate Jews as far as I know. Some people claim to be Jews by faith. They may not actually be Hebrews as in a race or lineage from Judea. But aren’t we all from Adam ultimately anyway?
This is part of my point that I made in the Rogan thread. Even among Jews, there is a debate regarding whether they are a "race" or a "religion." At least I thought there was a debate. I could be wrong. I think it's so confusing, that even somebody like me who means well when it compares to respecting our Jewish brethren and sisters can put a large foot in one's mouth.
I think the whole racial classification thing is a tired concept. It’s being used as a way to stir the pot for us in the slave class. Keep us throwing undeserved stones at each other instead of them. Comedians can’t even tell jokes anymore because everyone is a victim now. We’re all divided. Men vs women. Rs vs Ds. Race vs race etc etc. They keep micro dividing everything and everyone against each other so no one joins forces to make things better for all.
This is just trading scalps, then. There's nothing in this line of argument that makes me sanguine. It's like arguing that since Marxists hold farmers to a certain income standard, it's okay and fine that they at least hold merchants to the same. It's a problem with the proposed framework or intolerance towards speech that I have, not its unevenness in application that raises my dander.
rockaction said:
I disagree that it started in NY and CA. It started in the festering rot that is the universities and their liberal arts departments. Garbage being taught and wild theories being given truck, often hostile to free inquiry.
I don't know. I think if we can hold the fort long enough, it might. I think the gotcha game of stringing everybody up by their thumbs is going to provoke quite the backlash. It already has. One party has gone so far as adopting that backlash as political capital. The Republican Party is legitimately warning its voters of cancellations and "wokeness" in their institutions and organizations.
