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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

2. Up until the about second decade of 20th century, the Democratic Party was not “the Left”; it was basically to the right of the Republicans. 

There was no “Right” and “Left” in US political vernacular prior to the 20th century.  According to Google NGram the terms “left-wing” and “right-wing” didn’t start appearing in English-language books until after the Bolshevik Revolution.

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10 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

He didn’t but has.  But that’s the point I was making.  The “left” as it’s defined today is liberals.  The liberals of the day during the civil war were not pro slavery and were on the side of freeing the slaves.  

Noted liberal hero Nathan Bedford Forest alone proves you #wrong.

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20 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

There was no “Right” and “Left” in US political vernacular prior to the 20th century.  According to Google NGram the terms “left-wing” and “right-wing” didn’t start appearing in English-language books until after the Bolshevik Revolution.

Sure but it doesn’t matter. Prior to 1912 the Republican Party was more liberal than the Democratic Party. Or progressive. Or whatever you want to call it. Republicans were in favor of use of government to effect political and cultural and economic change; Democrats were opposed. 

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47 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

He didn’t but has.  But that’s the point I was making.  The “left” as it’s defined today is liberals.  The liberals of the day during the civil war were not pro slavery and were on the side of freeing the slaves.  

I have no idea if you are right - and even if you are it's not relevant 100+ years later

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1 minute ago, The Dude said:

I have no idea if you are right - and even if you are it's not relevant 100+ years later

Sure.  And I’m not a liberal so I’m not defending “my” position. Just trying point out the spirit of what blade is saying isn’t correct. Technically it is as it’s Democrats but when speaking of the “left” or liberals it isn’t.  That’s all. 

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1 hour ago, dkp993 said:

Sure.  And I’m not a liberal so I’m not defending “my” position. Just trying point out the spirit of what blade is saying isn’t correct. Technically it is as it’s Democrats but when speaking of the “left” or liberals it isn’t.  That’s all. 

Simply put...during the time "liberals" were the Republican party and "conservatives" were the Democratic party...today, the only thing that's changed is the party name...."liberals" are now the Dems and "conservatives" the GOP.

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1 hour ago, dkp993 said:

Sure.  And I’m not a liberal so I’m not defending “my” position. Just trying point out the spirit of what blade is saying isn’t correct. Technically it is as it’s Democrats but when speaking of the “left” or liberals it isn’t.  That’s all. 

Oh - I lost track - if you are arguing against Blade on anything - we are on the same page

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39 minutes ago, The Commish said:

Simply put...during the time "liberals" were the Republican party and "conservatives" were the Democratic party...today, the only thing that's changed is the party name...."liberals" are now the Dems and "conservatives" the GOP.

Exactly.  As I said in my first post yesterday.  

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1 hour ago, The Commish said:

Simply put...during the time "liberals" were the Republican party and "conservatives" were the Democratic party...today, the only thing that's changed is the party name...."liberals" are now the Dems and "conservatives" the GOP.

uhm...no.

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13 minutes ago, timschochet said:

It isn’t. He’s not 100% correct, but far more correct than you are on this subject. 

Negative.  I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.  :shrug:

As long as liberals try to revise the history of slavery, the KKK and Jim Crowe and blame everyone else besides themselves I'll be here, bringing the truth about it.

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29 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Negative.  I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.  :shrug:

As long as liberals try to revise the history of slavery, the KKK and Jim Crowe and blame everyone else besides themselves I'll be here, bringing the truth about it.

You don’t have any truth to bring. Nothing about what you’ve said about blaming liberals for slavery and whatever else I didn’t care enough to correct you on has been correct.

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53 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Your history is wrong.  :shrug:

So???……

19 hours ago, dkp993 said:

So what were the people of the Deep South at the time of the civil war?  And what were the liberals in the north? 

 

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37 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Negative.  I thought I was wrong once, but I was mistaken.  :shrug:

As long as liberals try to revise the history of slavery, the KKK and Jim Crowe and blame everyone else besides themselves I'll be here, bringing the truth about it.

I hate to do this to you but if you’re going to continue to spread this nonsense then I feel compelled: 
 

I challenge you to come up with a single historical source that says that liberals are responsible for slavery or the KKK or Jim Crow. Not Democrats, not the Democratic Party, but liberals. You made the claim, now please provide the evidence. 

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20 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I hate to do this to you but if you’re going to continue to spread this nonsense then I feel compelled: 
 

I challenge you to come up with a single historical source that says that liberals are responsible for slavery or the KKK or Jim Crow. Not Democrats, not the Democratic Party, but liberals. You made the claim, now please provide the evidence. 

Liberals align with the Democrat Party.  it's one in the same.  :shrug:

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It is sad.  :sadbanana:

Whenever Democrats are on the wrong side of history they proclaim that they were "Republicans back then".   I don't know why they do this, but they do.  It's almost as if they are trying to pin their atrocities on anyone else but themselves.  :shrug:

I have to admit:  For a bunch of posters who hate the GOP and conservatives and make fun and rail on  them every chance you get you sure are quick to proclaim you were Republicans back in the day when history wasn't on your side. 

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I mean...Strom Thurmond is a literal example of the migration...he was at the very END of the migration which basically completed in the 1964-65-66 range.  My grandfather is another example, but going the other way...in 1935 he switched from Republican to Democrat and never looked back....as bleeding heart as they come...we always had good "discussions" when he found out my views different from his.  He was a trip.

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19 minutes ago, dkp993 said:

When you can’t admit you’re wrong double down I guess.  Hey to each his own. 

It got Trump 2nd place in the popular vote in both 2016 and 2020. Too bad enough people saw sense and voted him out this time around.

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1 hour ago, BladeRunner said:

It is sad.  :sadbanana:

Whenever Democrats are on the wrong side of history they proclaim that they were "Republicans back then".   I don't know why they do this, but they do.  It's almost as if they are trying to pin their atrocities on anyone else but themselves.  :shrug:

I have to admit:  For a bunch of posters who hate the GOP and conservatives and make fun and rail on  them every chance you get you sure are quick to proclaim you were Republicans back in the day when history wasn't on your side. 

I love it when you and John project your distain for the other side on others posting in these threads.   

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3 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

And it feels like you guys keep focusing on post 1960 as if history before then didn't exist.  :shrug:

 

I haven't been in this slap fight but that doesn't feel right at all.

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3 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

And it feels like you guys keep focusing on post 1960 as if history before then didn't exist.  :shrug:

 

History matters.  But to me what matters more is what is currently going on.   I don't care who supported what 100 years ago or who started the KKK near as much as I care about what party somebody in the KKK is more likely to belong to in 2021.  

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5 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

And it feels like you guys keep focusing on post 1960 as if history before then didn't exist.  :shrug:

 

Considering that your grasp of history prior to 1960 is almost entirely incorrect, I have to wonder why you cling so doggedly to things that have either been disproven or never even asserted as fact.

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Just now, Kal El said:

Considering that your grasp of history prior to 1960 is almost entirely incorrect, I have to wonder why you cling so doggedly to things that have either been disproven or never even asserted as fact.

Yeah, that's just not true.  Besides, someone who thinks history STARTED in1960 probably shouldn't be criticizing someone else's "grasp" of history.

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4 minutes ago, KarmaPolice said:

History matters.  But to me what matters more is what is currently going on.   I don't care who supported what 100 years ago or who started the KKK near as much as I care about what party somebody in the KKK is more likely to belong to in 2021.  

In 2021, the racists are the "white saviors" who think they're the heroes of the black people.  :shrug:

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5 minutes ago, BladeRunner said:

Yeah, that's just not true.  Besides, someone who thinks history STARTED in1960 probably shouldn't be criticizing someone else's "grasp" of history.

What was it you said in the Jan 6th thread earlier, “the truth shall set you free?” I’d highly suggest following that and the other teachings from the Messiah. But I digress, because while it would be highly entertaining to illustrate every single point you have wrong about history, I have a Lightning playoff game to follow, and you won’t change your incorrect viewpoints anyway.

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7 minutes ago, Kal El said:

What was it you said in the Jan 6th thread earlier, “the truth shall set you free?” I’d highly suggest following that and the other teachings from the Messiah. But I digress, because while it would be highly entertaining to illustrate every single point you have wrong about history, I have a Lightning playoff game to follow, and you won’t change your incorrect viewpoints anyway.

You guys aren't changing your incorrect versions of history either.  :shrug:

I guess it's a wash. :thumbup:

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1 minute ago, BladeRunner said:

You guys aren't changing your incorrect versions of history either.  :shrug:

I guess it's a wash. :thumbup:

That’s another place where you’re wrong. For example, I used to think Columbus discovered America, and that he was a hero for doing so. He wasn’t even the first European to reach the continent, and he missed it by 500 years. He was also a terrible person, and the people of the time didn’t think the world was flat, and they knew he underestimated the supplies he needed. I’m happy to learn new things, but they have to be factual. Your view of history isn’t.

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On 5/16/2021 at 8:15 AM, Sea Duck said:

The Democrats have always been the party of big government, and therefore have always been "liberal" in that sense.

I disagree.

I've often seen claims that the Republican Party, when it was first formed, was the party of big government. (E.g., here. I haven't read that article, just googled for a headline like that and it came up. But there's no shortage of similar articles.)

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5 hours ago, timschochet said:

New polling demonstrates just how much Trump has won the “Republican Civil War”:

https://www.cnn.com/2021/05/17/politics/republican-support-for-trump-poll/index.html
 

He is in complete control of the GOP. 

Which means little if the dems do their job, correct?

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9 hours ago, quick-hands said:

CNN.  Is not a creditible place for Trump info.   Can you get a vox source?   They are completely accurate.

It's not a CNN poll

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2 minutes ago, quick-hands said:

Your right.    Its worse.   Its CBS, thanks for pointing it out

I'll let you know when an OAN poll comes up that you can truly count on 

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5 hours ago, FairWarning said:

Which means little if the dems do their job, correct?

It means a lot. The Democrats ability to “do their job” is going to require cooperation from the other side.

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18 minutes ago, timschochet said:

It means a lot. The Democrats ability to “do their job” is going to require cooperation from the other side.

Don’t they control everything now?

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