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I can get behind treating the recently deceased with respect in public spaces.
Again, my standard isn't "Would Trump behave this way."
I just think you've had decades to speak on how horrible Rush is. Countless people have taken advantage of that opportunity, on this message board even. Rush wasn't a great guy. I'm not sure what piling on his death accomplishes. He had a wife and kids who are heart broken today. If it somehow makes your day better to use the day of his death to talk about how bad he was--have at it man.
I just want to understand the rules. Seems to be a different set of rules for certain people.
For the record, I haven’t said anything bad about anyone. Rush was a lightning rod. Like him or not, there will be a full spectrum of opinions on the guy. Me personally, I never listened to him. Though I think it’s safe to say that we disagreed in most topics.
Nope. It's always bad.
I think we see this very similarly. Back in college, I was a Clinton voter and supporter but deep in the heart of Mississippi, that was a rarity and so if the fellas wanted to watch Rush's show, that's what we'd watch. You're right, it was entertaining and I think 30 minutes was a good time allotment for his schtick. I moved up to Oregon in '96 and never watched or really heard him again until ESPN hired him for a few minutes. I think he had changed by then. He wasn't as jovial.
It's interesting that so many of us noticed the exact same thing around the same general time. It would be interesting to know how much of that was Rush changing, and how much was Rush reflecting a nastier environment. (Not mutually exclusive of course).
Well, some of it could also be that I changed too. No longer surrounded by good 'ol boys and Religion with a capital "R", I descended into the deep throes of liberalism and turned into a nefarious heathen.
I read your first post. The more I read your posts I realize you truly are an enigma.
Or how much we have changed. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tEMAgO-3cGs for example was a "skit" that wouldn't play out as well today. Some of that is changes in society for the better. Some of it is woke culture going overboard. By the same token, when Kimmel does a Trump bit, it comes off more as anger and less as trying to be funny. I used to find both Kimmel and Rush entertaining in their early years. It just seems like all these guys forget they achieved their statue as entertainers and transitioning into being pompous.
Was talking to my dad this morning. He said that he used to love listening to Rush back in the '90s, but was turned off when Rush started saying some pretty disgusting and mean things about 13-year-old Chelsea Clinton. That was 28 years ago.
These takes jibe with me, as well as this one from jwb on the previous page:
Early Rush Limbaugh, between the time his radio show went national and Bill Clinton's first term, was an essential voice among my college peers. At the time, his rhetoric seemed much more common-sense and advisory and not particularly hostile or alarmist.
This describes me. I too wonder if Rush changed. Or more likely, as I got older, I realized that Rush’s deception and oversimplification of complex issues was resulting in bad policy that negatively impacted millions. It was probably there all along, but until my mid-late 20s, I wasn’t able to see through the grift.
I remember a time where being President (past or current) was the highest standard in the world. But now it's our fault for not being "better" than the most recent one.
I think it was when Bush came into power. Rush could go after Clinton on policy in addition to the personal stuff. Once the Rs were in power all that was left was personal stuff.
Look man, I think I've been pretty critical of Trump the past couple of months. Sure, he should be held to the highest standard in the world.
I'm sure it was some of both. A lot of the great talent on both sides seem to get an exaggerated opinion of their superiority as they grow in stature.
Generalizing: a lot of guys our age ... when Rush was going national, thing in our lives were less serious and less fraught ... and the stakes of "a dude with a radio show" just seemed so much lower than they'd be today. It was a different time and place, to state the obvious.
Yeah, I've never held myself up to any President's standards. That's just weird to even think about.
And here we are, all the better for it
You should not care what one who supported him despite this thinks. They are the problem.
I have zero control over what any one person does, thinks, or farts. My default setting is anti-regulation, so I would go out of my way to try not to exercise control even if I have it. I'm stating one solution to our central problem. It's on others to actually do it. They won't though. So I'll keep pointing the finger.Tom Skerritt said:
Joe usually comes in with the ban hammer when anyone piles on anyone that has died.Tom Skerritt said:
Absolutely.
Some feuds are so personal that they in fact do get taken to the grave. It happens with family and friends all the time.
I appreciate the defense but in truth, my comments were inappropriate given the fact that I wrote them right after we learned of his death. I behaved in a classless way and those who have called me out were correct to do so.Tom Skerritt said:
Really? The guy had different views, presented them with an even temperament, and by all accounts gave voice to a large group of Americans who felt voiceless. Question for you - how does the statement you just made, in a RiP thread, contribute to division in America? Be the change you want to see.
I'm not sure what this means.
I don’t disagree. And good for you. You’re opinionated, and you should be able to speak your mind. Wish more people could be as introspective as you clearly are.
Best to call out people for saying dumb, rotten crap like that when they say it. And every single person on the planet has said such things. Maybe it’s my Catholic upbringing but when someone dies I tend to forgive their human shortcomings and celebrate the good that they brought to the world.
No.
Dude, I'm not the one who brought up Trump. I was just questioning why it took you so long to figure him out.
