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Rush Limbaugh - 2.17.21 R.I.P. (1 Viewer)

Good advice from the Baltimore Sun a day or so ago. The ellipses clip the parts where they are unflattering about Rush Limbaugh's career and can't figure out the hagiography of Fox News upon his death. But the text about how to treat death of a "wicked" person (and they call him that in the op-ed) is faithfully edited to reflect what they say about that...

"Nil nisi bonum. Do not speak ill of the dead. The Latin proverb has provided sage advice for centuries, yet the passing of Rush Limbaugh has caused some to turn to another thought leader: Mark Twain, who once observed on the death of a famous public figure, “I did not attend his funeral, but I sent a nice letter saying I approved of it.” Mr. Limbaugh might have appreciated the humor...

...we [The Baltimore Sun] do not find joy in his passing. As noted in the Talmud, “God does not rejoice with the fall of the wicked.”

 
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ekbeats said:
Where in the Republican platform does it say they oppose gay marriage?
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“Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states.”

 
tommyGunZ said:
“Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states.”
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Yeah that’s crappy.  Really crappy.

 
rockaction said:
Bullcrap. Julie Nixon couldn't even have her father attend her graduation from Smith because the students and their friends would have rioted, the story goes. "Up against the wall mother####er!" wasn't just a chant reverberating from police PAs, it originated from the sixties radicals and their personalized treatment of anyone involved in either Johnson's administration or Nixon's. People couldn't get dinner in town because of it. tim, when you generalize without knowing the stories, you really do yourself a disserve. This tactic started on the left in modern times and continues apace.
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I’m aware of the story you mentioned. And aware of its origins. But I still say that Limbaugh and right wing talk radio made it far worse than it had ever been before. I’m prepared to defend that position but not here and now, so soon after his death. Let’s discuss it in a few months. 

 
tommyGunZ said:
“Our laws and our government’s regulations should recognize marriage as the union of one man and one woman and actively promote married family life as the basis of a stable and prosperous society. For that reason, as explained elsewhere in this platform, we do not accept the Supreme Court’s redefinition of marriage and we urge its reversal, whether through judicial reconsideration or a constitutional amendment returning control over marriage to the states.”
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Thats from before 2020, right? The 2020 platform was “Trump is right about everything.” 

 
timschochet said:
I’m aware of the story you mentioned. And aware of its origins. But I still say that Limbaugh and right wing talk radio made it far worse than it had ever been before. I’m prepared to defend that position but not here and now, so soon after his death. Let’s discuss it in a few months. 
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A few months isn’t long enough. rock says we should not speak ill of the dead. 

 
tommyGunZ said:
It’s worse than crappy.  It’s an advertisement that bigotry is a feature, not a bug, in modern American conservatism.  
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I honestly think that’s just a vestige of the past and not representative of most Republicans.  A large majority of Republicans believe that gays and lesbians should be protected under civil rights laws.

 
ekbeats said:
I honestly think that’s just a vestige of the past and not representative of most Republicans.  A large majority of Republicans believe that gays and lesbians should be protected under civil rights laws.
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Shouldn't all Americans regardless of their politics believe that evey American should be protected under civil rights laws regardless of their sexuality?  What percentage of republicans do you think don't believe that way? 

 
General Malaise said:
Shouldn't all Americans regardless of their politics believe that evey American should be protected under civil rights laws regardless of their sexuality?  What percentage of republicans do you think don't believe that way? 
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Yes, absolutely.  One of the great things I’ve witnessed in my lifetime is the victory achieved by gays and transgenders.  I remember being pissed off when Clinton didn’t go for it in the 90’s and settled on “don’t ask don’t tell.”  The CBS poll I saw was something like 71% of Republicans believe gays should have Civil Rights protection.  I think Democrats were 94%.  Should be 100% for both, but that Republican number was higher than I would have thought.

 
ekbeats said:
My point is, Liberals have a penchant for demonizing people they disagree with. The whole cancel culture phenomenon is a natural outgrowth of that.  Hopefully we agree that this is a thing today.  So where did it come from? I suggest one of the areas is Saul Alinsky who had it as one of his 13 rules.  Yeah, Saul is long gone but his teachings did take root.  Two of the  most prominent Liberals in the Democratic Party the last 40 years were influenced by his teachings.  Hillary Clinton wrote her college thesis about him and Barak Obama cut his community organizing teeth in Chicago where Alinsky lived and operated.  These are undeniable ties.  And when you combine that with Alinsky’s tactics being used by so many Liberals today, I think it is very reasonable to suggest that the roots of that behavior can in large measure be traced back to Alinsky and his adherents.
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Who doesn't demonize those they don't agree with?

Liberals has been used as a derogatory term...lately followed by socialist and commie.  People have posted the emails sent by the Trump campaign in here...completely demonizing the left.  The whole "they are trying to steal the election stuff" to the point the mob was wanting to hang Mike Pence (who is a freaking Republican).

And without crapping on him much here...the topic of this thread demonized the opposition often and helped spawn right wing media that pushed right vs left.

To try and claim that one side is doing it more than the other right now...in today's climate...is not really that logical.  

And your tie for Obama was that he started in Chicago where Alinsky lived...that is your tie?  Are you serious with that?

 
rockaction said:
It's mind-boggling, this disdain for a talk radio jock who happened to take unpopular positions. 
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Im not going to piss on Rush here...but do you think it was more than just taking an unpopular position politically?  I think this is whitewashing what all he has said and done to say such a thing.

 
sho nuff said:
Who doesn't demonize those they don't agree with?

Liberals has been used as a derogatory term...lately followed by socialist and commie.  People have posted the emails sent by the Trump campaign in here...completely demonizing the left.  The whole "they are trying to steal the election stuff" to the point the mob was wanting to hang Mike Pence (who is a freaking Republican).

And without crapping on him much here...the topic of this thread demonized the opposition often and helped spawn right wing media that pushed right vs left.

To try and claim that one side is doing it more than the other right now...in today's climate...is not really that logical.  

And your tie for Obama was that he started in Chicago where Alinsky lived...that is your tie?  Are you serious with that?
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Yes. Obama was a community organizer in Chicago and worked with a number of organizations that had Alinsky’s DNA running through them.  That’s pretty common knowledge.

 
ekbeats said:
Yes. Obama was a community organizer in Chicago and worked with a number of organizations that had Alinsky’s DNA running through them.  That’s pretty common knowledge.
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Ok...and how does that really tie him in with the beliefs being talked about?

 
timschochet said:
Yes but I didn’t understand your point. I still don’t. 
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When people use the term bigot, they usually aren't using the literal dictionary definition, of the word, what they usually mean is a racial bigot or a bigot against some other minority. 

 
squistion said:
When people use the term bigot, they usually aren't using the literal dictionary definition, of the word, what they usually mean is a racial bigot or a bigot against some other minority. 
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That fits into the 'literal' definition.

Perfectly.

 
squistion said:
When people use the term bigot, they usually aren't using the literal dictionary definition, of the word, what they usually mean is a racial bigot or a bigot against some other minority. 
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But what does this have to do with Ghost Rider’s assertion? 

 
squistion said:
Bigotry on the left is not as rampant as bigotry on the right when one is talking about racial bigotry IMO (which is the context the word seems most often used in. 
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I don’t think the right is especially rampant when it comes to racial bigotry. 

 
sho nuff said:
Ok...and how does that really tie him in with the beliefs being talked about?
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Read my prior posts from yesterday.  The tie-in between Obama and Alinsky is undeniable.  There’s even a picture of Obama teaching at University of Chicago while writing Alinsky phrases on the blackboard like “Power Analysis”.  Personally I think Hillary utilized the Alinsky method of demonizing more than Obama did.

 
timschochet said:
I don’t think the right is especially rampant when it comes to racial bigotry. 
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Voter suppression laws that are still coming forward in state legislatures would speak otherwise (and that is just one example, I don't want to hijack this thread about Rush's passing any further.).

 
ekbeats said:
Yes, absolutely.  One of the great things I’ve witnessed in my lifetime is the victory achieved by gays and transgenders.  I remember being pissed off when Clinton didn’t go for it in the 90’s and settled on “don’t ask don’t tell.”  The CBS poll I saw was something like 71% of Republicans believe gays should have Civil Rights protection.  I think Democrats were 94%.  Should be 100% for both, but that Republican number was higher than I would have thought.
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:hifive:

Good stuff and agree completely. 

 
Ramblin Wreck said:
:lmao:   You claiming the dictionary is wrong?
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No, but the dictionary meaning and common understood usage of a word can differ.

For instance, the dictionary for years gave the first meaning of gay as "happy" or "lighthearted and carefree" even though it had been supplanted as a term for homosexual in popular usage. 

 
:shrug:  

I didn't think it was hard to understand what squis was getting at.   Most times people use bigot interchangeably with racist, they aren't using it like:

 a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices

 
KarmaPolice said:
:shrug:  

I didn't think it was hard to understand what squis was getting at.   Most times people use bigot interchangeably with racist, they aren't using it like:

 a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
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That’s fair.  Now try defining “racist” as it exists in today’s parlance.  We should try a whole separate thread on that.

 
DiSantis has ordered flags in Florida to be flown at half-staff for Rush Limbaugh. Flags have also flown at half-staff for slain law enforcement and for Ruth Bader Ginsburg. 

>> It's not clear when the flags will be lowered, since the funeral plans for Limbaugh have not been announced yet. "When there's things of this magnitude, once the date of interment for Rush is announced, we're going to be lowering the flags to half staff," DeSantis said at a news conference in Palm Beach County. <<

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/florida-governor-says-flags-will-be-flown-at-half-staff-for-rush-limbaugh/

 
sho nuff said:
Im not going to piss on Rush here...but do you think it was more than just taking an unpopular position politically?  I think this is whitewashing what all he has said and done to say such a thing.
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He's also taken unpopular opinions that has nothing to do with politics.

"Limbaugh told viewers of his television show in 1993: “Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is also a White House dog?” And he held up a photograph of Chelsea Clinton, who at the time was just 13 years old." 

 
massraider said:
He's also taken unpopular opinions that has nothing to do with politics.

"Limbaugh told viewers of his television show in 1993: “Socks is the White House cat. But did you know there is also a White House dog?” And he held up a photograph of Chelsea Clinton, who at the time was just 13 years old." 
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The risks due to first and second hand smoking, and to COVID, shouldn't be political. But Rush Limbaugh downplayed those risks to his large audience. 

"Yeah, I'm dead right on this. The coronavirus is the common cold, folks."

“There is no conclusive proof that nicotine’s addictive…[or with] cigarettes causing emphysema, lung cancer, heart disease.”

 
KarmaPolice said:
:shrug:  

I didn't think it was hard to understand what squis was getting at.   Most times people use bigot interchangeably with racist, they aren't using it like:

 a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices
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People use the word incorrectly all the time.  

 
ekbeats said:
Yes, absolutely.  One of the great things I’ve witnessed in my lifetime is the victory achieved by gays and transgenders.  I remember being pissed off when Clinton didn’t go for it in the 90’s and settled on “don’t ask don’t tell.”  The CBS poll I saw was something like 71% of Republicans believe gays should have Civil Rights protection.  I think Democrats were 94%.  Should be 100% for both, but that Republican number was higher than I would have thought.
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It was before my time but not really suprised that Clinton did not support the gays as Hillary was against gay marriage.  As was Obama his first term.   I am glad they both became came around after awhile.

 
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