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AOC vs Biden: The Democrat Civil War Erupts (1 Viewer)

BladeRunner

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AOC calling Biden out once again:

https://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/us-elections-government/ny-biden-aoc-student-loan-debt-forgiveness-20210217-trwbny7atfcnjjjm3ow6lejp5a-story.html

https://www.newsweek.com/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-joe-biden-student-loans-clash-1569799

I think shots have been fired for control of the Democrat Party.  It's the Far-left contingent led by AOC vs Biden.  The leader of the party vs the most popular star/celebrity and new face of the party.  Even Schumer is behind her.  Not good. 

This is only the beginning.  Will the soul of the party fall to the far-leftists?  Or will they move back to the center?

 
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BladeRunner said:
I think shots have been fired for control of the Democrat Party.  It's the Far-left contingent led by AOC vs Biden.  The leader of the party vs the most popular star/celebrity and new face of the party.  Even Schumer is behind her.  Not good. 
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If you want a serious discussion, call it by the correct name: The Democratic Party not the pejorative Democrat Party. 

 
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This is what I was worried about.  Biden is too old or too weak to stave off.  The Biden of 10-15 years ago would have been able to be a moderate POTUS and be able to push his agenda.   Now not sure he even cares about that.  What the country in turmoil right now  is moderation..and I voted for Joe.   Come on man...take control.

 
rockaction said:
Democrat Party is fine. No need to listen to squistion, Blade.
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Thanks. I have him on ignore anyways so I never see what he posts unless someone quotes him.  :thumbup:

I never understood the obsession with this.  Spelling it either way is completely accepted except by the spelling/grammar Nazi's who can't argue the point.

 
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rockaction said:
Democrat Party is fine. No need to listen to squistion, Blade.
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Didn't you say you were through interacting with me? Yeah, right. 

No, Democrat Party is not fine, as has been noted dozens of times in these forums over the years, it is considered pejorative. 

 
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There's a bailout coming. The rich got theirs in '08, now the public is in line. Reparations are coming down the pike because blacks are now in line, too. Wait for it. I'd probably agree with reparations more than this, though. It would actually be redistribution and serve a common good and purpose while redressing a very real wrong.

Middle-class students taking out loans does nothing of the sort, but it secures white votes for Democrats, which is why they'll try it.

 
squistion said:
Didn't you say you were through interacting with me? Yeah, right. 

No, Democrat Party is not fine unless you are trolling Democrats. 
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I was interacting with Blade. Words mean things. Like when I address him, I'm not talking to you. Quoting you was ancillary to my broader part, and you weren't addressed.

 
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rockaction said:
There's a bailout coming. The rich got theirs in '08, now the public is in line. Reparations are coming down the pike because blacks are now in line, too. Wait for it. I'd probably agree with reparations more than this, though. It would actually be redistribution and serve a common good and purpose while redressing a very real wrong.

Middle-class students taking out loans does nothing of the sort, but it secures white votes for Democrats, which is why they'll try it.
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As per the bolded, if that does happen then no more legislation for quotas or anything.  The playing field will have been leveled and we would have basically paid our debt off.

All of the white-guilt liberals would need to go back to work instead of looking for causes all day long.

 
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BladeRunner said:
As per the bolded, if that does happen then no more crying "Racism".  The playing field will have been leveled.
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No, it won't, actually. There will be more crying racism. Because, quite frankly, this country will always have slavery and the incorporation of such as its national embarrassment, never mind how slaves were treated once freed. You're going to be dealing with cries of racism your entire life -- and I mean entire life -- and you might as well get used to it.

 
BladeRunner said:
Thanks. I have him on ignore anyways so I never see what he posts unless someone quotes him.  :thumbup:

I never understood the obsession with this.  Spelling it either way is completely accepted except by the spelling/grammar Nazi's who can't argue the point.
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He never argues the point.  He will harp on this point and almost guaranteed he will call out rockaction and ruin the thread

 
rockaction said:
I was interacting with Blade. Words mean things. Like when I address him, I'm not talking to you. Quoting you was ancillary to my broader part, and you weren't addressed.
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Dude, you quoted me not Blade Runner. If you quote someone's post you are interacting with them. 

 
We're barely out of redlining and restrictive housing covenants effect on communities, never mind segregation and inadequate schooling because of reliance on the property taxes of segregated areas. Forget that. We're not even close to done with our race issues with the issuance of a check.

 
rockaction said:
No, it won't, actually. There will be more crying racism. Because, quite frankly, this country will always have slavery and the incorporation of such as its national embarrassment, never mind how slaves were treated once freed. You're going to be dealing with cries of racism your entire life -- and I mean entire life -- and you might as well get used to it.
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I mean, I get it.  If we pay reparations then people will have found a way to bilk the system and keep getting paid.  That's not gonna' happen.  It's a one time check, IMO, and once you accept it you accept that the field has been leveled and no more race hustling or using history as club.  It's over.

 
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BladeRunner said:
I mean, I get it.  If we pay reparations then people will have found a way to bilk the system and keep getting paid.  That's not gonna' happen.  It's a one time check, IMO, and once you accept it you accept that the field has been leveled and no more race hustling.
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You might as well accept now that it's not going to happen. Reparations are a terrible idea, IMO, but they're better than cancelling white middle-class student debt procured as an adult. And really, while we're at it, if we're going to do that, why not just raise the age of majority to twenty-one with exemptions for military members? That's really the way, with prolonged adolescence, that society is going.

 
rockaction said:
You might as well accept now that it's not going to happen. Reparations are a terrible idea, IMO, but they're better than cancelling white middle-class student debt procured as an adult. And really, while we're at it, if we're going to do that, why not just raise the age of majority to twenty-one with exemptions for military members? That's really the way, with prolonged adolescence, that society is going.
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I mean, yeah, I agree.  Reparations are terrible - there is no debate on that.  It's simply a money-grab.  But I'm saying if it DOES happen then there has to be conditions on it.  Like, we're done with this whole focus on race crap.  We get it - slavery was terrible and it will always be a stain on our history, but can we move on now as a country?

I suspect you're right, though.  I might as well accept that's not going to happen.   But it SHOULD happen (if it happens). 

 
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BladeRunner said:
I mean, yeah, I agree.  Reparations are terrible - there is no debate on that.  It's simply a money-grab.  But I'm saying if it DOES happen then there has to be conditions on it.  Like, we're done with this whole focus on race crap.  We get it - slavery was terrible and it will always be a stain on our history, but can we move on now?

I suspect you're right, though.  I might as well accept that's not going to happen.   But it SHOULD happen (if it happens). 
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I think really, really big changes that addressed the former system of sharecropping in the South, ninety years of Jim Crow, redlining and covenants restricting housing to blacks in the north, and other things would need to be done and it would be so total as to be impossible. So the race issue isn't and can't fairly go away in our lifetimes, for better or for worse. Everyone has a dream that we can be colorblind and have our children play with children of other races, all in harmony and song. But what the most articulate progenitor of that dream, King, realized later, is that his people had been put so far behind the eight ball in an economic and, yes, systemic sense that massive reform of other institutions was needed to level the playing field. And that's never happened. King was assassinated, nothing was addressed, life moved on unfairly and unjustly for blacks.

 
rockaction said:
There's a bailout coming. The rich got theirs in '08, now the public is in line. Reparations are coming down the pike because blacks are now in line, too. Wait for it. I'd probably agree with reparations more than this, though. It would actually be redistribution and serve a common good and purpose while redressing a very real wrong.

Middle-class students taking out loans does nothing of the sort, but it secures white votes for Democrats, which is why they'll try it.
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Not a chance. It is not going to happen. There is not close to any widespread support among Democrats for this.  

 
rockaction said:
I think really, really big changes that addressed the former system of sharecropping in the South, ninety years of Jim Crow, redlining and covenants restricting housing to blacks in the north, and other things would need to be done and it would be so total as to be impossible. So the race issue isn't and can't fairly go away in our lifetimes, for better or for worse. Everyone has a dream that we can be colorblind and have our children play with children of other races, all in harmony and song. But what the most articulate progenitor of that dream, King, realized later, is that his people had been put so far behind the eight ball in an economic and, yes, systemic sense that massive reform of other institutions was needed to level the playing field. And that's never happened. King was assassinated, nothing was addressed, life moved on unfairly and unjustly for blacks.
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Thanks, rock.  You put things really eloquently.  I wish I had a quarter of your gift. :thumbup:

 
Summer Wheat said:
This is what I was worried about.  Biden is too old or too weak to stave off.  The Biden of 10-15 years ago would have been able to be a moderate POTUS and be able to push his agenda.   Now not sure he even cares about that.  What the country in turmoil right now  is moderation..and I voted for Joe.   Come on man...take control.
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I'm not following.

 
Democrat Party is kind of a mess after they had to settle for Biden. When you see Biden in the oval working on the Democrat Party's agenda it looks like a nursing home and you wonder who it is making the decisions.  

 
rockaction said:
It's coming. Stick around the board long enough and I'll see you there. :coffee:
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Yeah, right. It will happen after Joe Biden and the Democrats take away all the guns. In other words, not in the lifetime of anyone on this board. 

Saying reparations are coming is just a scare tactic and plays well for those who don't really follow the news, for if they did they would know that Democratic Party leadership is not even close to remotely considering any type of legislation for this to happen.

 
tonydead said:
Democrat Party is kind of a mess after they had to settle for Biden. When you see Biden in the oval working on the Democrat Party's agenda it looks like a nursing home and you wonder who it is making the decisions.  
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Don't think for a second that there isn't already a power struggle going on in the Democrat Party.  Harris ain't waiting four years, much less eight, to be POTUS.  She will use AOC and her contingent to continue to foment unrest on the left which will make Biden look bad.  She's the female Frank Underwood.

AOC will grow in power forcing members to chose sides - Civil War, my friend.

 
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tonydead said:
Democrat Party is kind of a mess after they had to settle for Biden. When you see Biden in the oval working on the Democrat Party's agenda it looks like a nursing home and you wonder who it is making the decisions.  
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I don't. I just know politically that he has to keep beating Schumer and AOC and Pelosi away every ten minutes with a fly swatter. They must be buzzing and hissing in his ear. They know this the last chance they'll ever have to really grab the ring, just like the ACA. They're dead in the House in '22 if the Republicans can manage any sort of purge of the QAnon and loon fringe of the party. Hawley today said that the Republicans are now the working class party. Great. Let's see what that entails. If it entails blue-collar and uneducated lunacy, I'll definitely be voting third party again next time.

The Rs are nothing to hitch a star to right now if you want less socialism and more free-market economics. They're going to be socialist, just in different forms and through different means.

 
BladeRunner said:
VERY serious business.

When two political figures from the same party disagree publicly and call each other out, it's considered CIVIL WAR.
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Only to you and Tim, it appears. 

And to be technical, I don't think Joe Biden publicly called out AOC. 

 
MAC_32 said:
I'm not following.
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I think he is suggesting that what people were afraid of is coming to pass - Biden is too old to hold off the extreme wing of the Democratic party (AOC!!) and will bow to their wishes instead of sticking up for himself at what people believe is his more centrist nature.  

 
The reason that I used the title that I did in the thread about Trump vs McConnell was that they are clearly the two most powerful leaders of the Republican Party, and the attacks they have made against each other were not based on policy issues, but were personal and vicious. 

 
KarmaPolice said:
I think he is suggesting that what people were afraid of is coming to pass - Biden is too old to hold off the extreme wing of the Democratic party (AOC!!) and will bow to their wishes instead of sticking up for himself at what people believe is his more centrist nature.  
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Based on what?

 
timschochet said:
The reason that I used the title that I did in the thread about Trump vs McConnell was that they are clearly the two most powerful leaders of the Republican Party, and the attacks they have made against each other were not based on policy issues, but were personal and vicious. 
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Yeah, I know. That's why I listed AOC and Biden.  The two most powerful leaders of the Democratic party.

 
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:shrug:  

One disagreement over student loans I guess?  I could be wrong - it's just what my impression of his post was.  
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That was my sense too, which is why I didn't follow. Of course progressives aren't happy with Biden flatly saying no to a $50K bailout of student loans. What about that is...weak?

 
I don’t think the real fireworks start until Biden summons a mob to come to the Capitol for some conspiracy he made up.

 
BladeRunner said:
Don't think for a second that there isn't already a power struggle going on in the Democrat Party.  Harris ain't waiting four years, much less eight, to be POTUS.  She will use AOC and her contingent to continue to foment unrest on the left which will make Biden look bad.  She's the female Frank Underwood.

AOC will grow in power forcing members to chose sides - Civil War, my friend.
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I have a hard time with this. Have you seen Kamala do interviews lately, its embarrassing.  She doesnt seem to know what's going on any more than Joe does.  

 
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