NorvilleBarnes
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Who will be the Dem candidate in 2024? (1 Viewer)
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Alex P Keaton
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Hopefully not Biden or Kamala
fatguyinalittlecoat
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I think the thread is fine if the title is changed to something like “assuming Biden doesn’t run again.” Yeah, some of the voting options are dumb but whatever, It’s definitely a threadworthy subject.
ETA: OK, maybe almost all the voting choices are dumb.
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AAABatteries
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KarmaPolice
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AAABatteries
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I am surprised that there’s no a single vote for Biden yet.
rockaction
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I'm surprised Biden was even a consideration. Are we really thinking he throws his hat in the ring for 2024? He was indeed slowing down just a bit as he seemed to age on the campaign trail...and I thought the standard narrative was that his presidency was going to be a one-off thing.AAABatteries said:
I'm not hoping for a new Democratic candidate. I hope he runs in 2024, suffers no cognitive decline, and wins again. So far, anyway. That's subject to change, but I give him a huge thumbs up so far.
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rockaction
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Newsom vs. Harris. Newsom has the national pull and is governor of the largest state in the Union. He's a consummate politician, progressive enough for the left while couched in enough sense to appeal to the centrists of the party.
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Mile High
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rockaction
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Very fair. He'd get mine, though. (We have open primaries. I made sure to go vote for Biden this time. Actually, I was hollered at by some woman telling me that voting Democrat was a mistake. At the poll booth. I turned around and defused the situation, but I was pissed. Have I mentioned I don't really care for the vocal nature of your average citizen-Republican lately?)
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AAABatteries
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I think the incumbent will always be a consideration, even one as old (or older) than Biden.
Mile High
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Would Newsome win the California primary over Harris if the country is going forward in a reasonable fashion?
Summer Wheat
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If Joe does not make it 4 years and Harris takes over I doubt she will be challenged as a sitting POTUS.DaVinci said:
If he makes it through one term and does not run it will be wide open. Don`t count out Schiff, he has some POTUS aspirations.
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rockaction
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No. Not at all. He's the subject of a recall effort right now. People do not like the way he has handled things. I think he's in an impossible situation and has done a remarkable job. That's me and only me. The southern part of California is not complying or enforcing lockdown protocols. That's not his fault. He's been really, really attentive to California this go round. That French Laundry attendance was a huge mistake, bad optics, yet I forgive it. That's my take and my take only.
Newsom has a good chance of being recalled as governor. Pretty sure that would kill his chances to be President.
rockaction
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Covered in later replies. But a good point nonetheless. The chances aren't good, though -- I disagree on that.
Well, they have enough signatures so there's almost definitely going to be a recall election. Just that may tarnish his image. But I think we can agree that if he does get recalled it will kill his presidential aspirations, right?
rockaction
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Drunken Cowboy
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The DNC won't determine anythingDaVinci said:
squistion
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dawgtrails
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Yea, I think we would see a few people throw their name in.
We had Gore run after being VP and he faced a decent challenge from Bradley. We had Bush run after being VP and he had Dole, Kemp, Robertson
Drunken Cowboy
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Leroy Hoard
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Not everyone knows how to start a thread.AAABatteries said:
AAABatteries
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Leroy Hoard
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It's really not that different from the other party. If those 2 old dudes decide to run and people continue to vote for them, they are going to be our choices. Just think of how many previous wanted to run for a 3rd or 4th term like FDR. They can't, but they can always run for that 2nd one.
GordonGekko
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Direct Headline: Inside Hillary Clinton’s Secret Takeover of the DNC
When I was asked to run the Democratic Party after the Russians hacked our emails, I stumbled onto a shocking truth about the Clinton campaign.
By DONNA BRAZILE November 02, 2017
https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/11/02/clinton-brazile-hacks-2016-215774
*****
Do you think Bernie Sanders from 2016 will agree with you? Also the same money laundering machine that is the DNC that turfed Bernie Sanders is also the reason Tulsi Gabbard and soon to be Pete Buttigieg will have zero chance in 2024.
Donna Brazile, someone high ranking enough that no one could ignore, wrote that book for three reasons
1) She wasn't going to be making money in politics anymore, not any real money
2) She was leveraged into taking over the DNC, which meant she was holding the bag on the largest money laundering operation in modern history since Pablo Escobar. She got on her knees and begged Bernie Sanders so she wouldn't go to prison one day for any of this mess
3) In a situation like this, until Wiki Leaks came out, Brazile was a liability to the DNC HQ and the Clinton Empire, and by extension, the Obama Legacy, as long as she was breathing air.
DNC HQ forced Kamala Harris forward by choking out functional operation money up and down the ticket all along the party.
Harris is an optics nightmare. She openly slept her way up the political ladder. While that's not new in politics, hers is open. Her own party didn't like her and that reflected in voting around her in the primaries. She suppressed evidence to keep young black men in prison, so her "law and order" narrative fell apart. The DNC HQ had to turf Tulsi Gabbard to stop the bleeding in the debate cycle, angering the centrists, the military vote and even the Progressives. She didn't offer help in any of the battleground states, California was already won. All the pathways to attack Haley ( minority woman who ended up with a white guy) backfire on Harris (she doesn't have her own children, many African Americans won't see her as truly "black", she's not gay and has no military background) Harris is also horrible with the press and lack fundamentals in debate. She cannot handle spin control and she got nailed copying a MLK storyline and she did it for no good reason at all.
How do you have a "black" running mate and lose so much cross section of the actual black vote as a Democrat? How is that even possible? That this actually happened is like Michael Bay winning Best Director one day at the Oscars.
Kamala Harris is, to my viewpoint, woefully unskilled as a professional politician. But since she's a double minority and she has a pin from Emperor Obama and the leftist MSM has no choice but to fall in line, everyone fawns over her in the media.
She couldn't even win the 2020 ticket on her own. She needed a guy accused of having dementia to run a pure Mike Alstott for her, so she could get into power by proxy.
Kamala Harris is literally Johnny Chase from Entourage. But anyone who says that, esp if they are conservative, must be a racist and a bigot. That can be the only answer. Never mind the actual truth that if you combine Biden's Crime Bill plus Harris' backdoor corruption as AG, in terms of punishing young black men in the modern age of social justice and BLM, that you couldn't get Aaron Sorkin to write fictional satire that is more ridiculous than this current reality.
Biden/Harris as a political narrative, as it pertains to the American black voter, is like watching a cheap CW tween sitcom crash and burn on a daily basis.
Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard and Pete Buttigieg got railroaded for this? Are you kidding me?
Things get pretty ugly when no one can hide behind Orange Man Bad.
Wait, I interrupted you, you were saying the DNC doesn't decide anything.
Leroy Hoard
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Good thread. Always knew the Colonel was a player.
NorvilleBarnes
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Just caught CNN. In hindsight it seems a little silly to include Cuomo. In fairness, no one saw that coming.
squistion
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Not as silly as to not include Joe Biden in a poll of the likely Democratic candidate in 2024.
The Democrat Party didnt want Biden it the first place, they will certainly have a plan without him in 2024 or sooner.
squistion
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It is The Democratic Party and they certainly wanted Biden as he was the top vote getter in the primaries.
NorvilleBarnes
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The party, Democrat Party will be tired of his greasy palms and looking out after wallstreet. Rejecting socialist ideas of the new Democrat Party like student loan debt cancellation is already getting them riled up.
squistion
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Then you missed the actual most likely and who would be the hands down top choice if he had been included - but I guess that was probably your intent. However, If you had really wanted an accurate poll response, you could have phrased it along the lines of: If Biden doesn't run in 2024 (for whatever reason) who will be the Democratic candidate?
2Squirrels1Nut
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I guess it really depends on what persona the shape shifting lizard alien takes.
timschochet
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Love the Hunter Biden choice. Awesome shtick.
Biden was replaced by Colonel Sanders because that's much more likely, as this thread proves.
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NorvilleBarnes
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I don't think you've been paying attention. Everyone knows Joe Biden is a one term President. Everyone.
squistion
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Chaz McNulty
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I wouldn't count Kobluchar out either. Very likeable, centrist, and effective. If the Dems were just playing to beat Trump again, Kobluchar would get a lot of the middle vote.
The Democrats would pick anyone of 100 million others before they would go with Romney. He is pro life, was excited about the conservative judges appointed to the Supreme Court, supported Trump’s tax cut etc. I admire Romney’s integrity but Romney isn’t interested in running as a Democrat and they don’t want him. Trumpers like to claim anyone who didn’t support Trump as a liberal or Rino but that was not as much about policy but rather more about not being a supporter on a con man.
Sand
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All of a sudden the blue team cares a LOT about signature matching and will be going through the recall petition with a fine toothed comb to throw out as many as possible. You can't make this stuff up.
Likely Newsom avoids this debacle.
NorvilleBarnes
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GordonGekko
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You can't get the ticket if you don't have delegate support. You can't get delegate support unless you can leverage them and/or buy them. The DNC also has the Super Delegate problem, which means you need to offer something up to old establishment types.
Like Klobuchar, Mayor Pete has nothing to offer in these areas. The small handful of Democrats who might have a half way decent chance at real governing simply won't break through into the next tier. If DNC HQ and the Super Delegates can't control you, then you fail the ultimate purity test and must be destroyed. Ask Tulsi Gabbard.
He's like Hawkeye in The Avengers. Useful in a fight but will never get his own movie.
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