Toney posted an unofficial 40 time of 4.44, according to NFL Network's Kimberly Jones. This led Jeremiah -- who loves Toney's playmaking ability and "dynamic" route-running skills, but initially wasn't sure about his straight-line speed -- to make a simple pronouncement on NFL Network's Path to the Draft Pro Day Special:
"He's a first-round wide receiver. Absolutely."
Toney also soared 11 feet, 4 inches on his broad jump, per Reese's Senior Bowl executive director Jim Nagy. That's serious explosiveness for an exciting slot receiver prospect who offers NFL clubs the ability to get open quickly on short routes and make big plays after the catch. Checking in at 5-11 5/8 and 193 pounds, Toney also brings a high level of toughness in fighting for extra yardage and rarely running out of bounds.
Florida WR Kadarius Toney ran a 4.41 second 40-yard dash at his pro day workout.
In addition to Toney's (5'11/189) lightning fast 4.41 second 40-yard dash, he also wowed with a 39.5" vertical jump and an 11'4" broad jump that would have ranked fourth among all 2020 NFL Scouting Combine invitees. His overall RAS of 8.87 bodes well for his chances at success at the next level. effectively as he is catching it. Toney averaged 8.5 YPC on his 19 carries while posting a 70-984-10 receiving line for the high-flying Gators last fall. Toney has entered the late Round 1 discussion due to his explosive athleticism.
SOURCE: The Athletic
Apr 2, 2021, 6:13 PM ET
The Athletic's NFL draft analyst Dane Brugler ranks Florida WR Kadarius Toney as the fourth best wide receiver in the 2021 NFL Draft.
Toney (5'11/189) is one of a host of other wide outs that are vying to be chosen as WR4 after Waddle, Smith and Chase are off the board. He ran a lightning fast 4.41 second 40-yard dash, he also wowed with a 39.5" vertical jump and an 11'4" broad jump that would have ranked fourth among all 2020 NFL Scouting Combine invitees. His overall RAS of 8.87 bodes well for his chances at success at the next level. effectively as he is catching it. Toney averaged 8.5 YPC on his 19 carries while posting a 70-984-10 receiving line for the high-flying Gators last fall. Toney has entered the late Round 1 discussion due to his explosive athleticism.
SOURCE: The Athletic
Apr 9, 2021, 6:38 PM ET
I was absolutely shocked to see Waldman have him so high.Do not want. Too dependent on scheme. Too much of a gadget guy. Raw from positional switch so he didn't have a lot of production until 2020. Late breakout age. Not my cup of tea.
Athletic as heck, though. Can leave defenders stupid. Just not who I want.
Waldman's pure film. He must see something.I was absolutely shocked to see Waldman have him so high.
Oh I know he is. Being a WR convert with limited experience who almost everyone I have heard describe him as a gadget guy, I assumed Waldman would hate him. Instead I think he has him ranked top 5 and said he has the best releases of any prospect. That just really surprised me. But yeah he also Sermon #1 and I think also had Hakeem Butler #1 that year.Waldman's pure film. He must see something.
Then again, he has Sermon #1 absolutely among running backs, and it doesn't seem too close. So one takes Waldman with a grain of salt sometimes when it comes to him butting up against consensus. He loves guys that never pan out sometimes. Now, a lot of the panning out is situation, luck, and draft capital in addition to talent, but you know what I'm saying.
Wait until the Jets trade down and select Mac Jones or something like that. Then you'll see where eagles dare...I will jump off a bridge
in the river where the bridge crossesWait until the Jets trade down and select Mac Jones or something like that. Then you'll see where eagles dare...
Age, limited experience and a lot of people feel like he plays out of control.Are people down on him primarily because of the 1st round talk?
I think he looks like a high upside guy, but I'm starting to feel confident he'll fall to the late 2nd/even 3rd round of rookie drafts. I can get on board at that price.
I don't even watch CFB so my comments above were based purely on the one highlight reel I watched. I am legitimately curious if you have heard other people say that though.Age, limited experience and a lot of people feel like he plays out of control.
Absolutely, several draft/dynasty people. Specifically mentioned he gets his shoulders out in front of his body and is out of balance a lot.I don't even watch CFB so my comments above were based purely on the one highlight reel I watched. I am legitimately curious if you have heard other people say that though.
That's been the comparison forever. At least amongst Florida people. He's basically a bigger Harvin without the migrants and such2021 NFL Draft Comps: Florida WR Kadarius Toney could find success as the next Percy Harvin
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So what you're saying is that from one highlight reel I am as good as an analyst that gets paid to do it. Huh. What does his lowlight reel look like? Ok JK but yeah I took him in a startup at WR8, before Amon-Ra and Tylan Wallace (who I also took) and Dyami Brown. He went after vets Corey Davis and Mims and I took him with Gabriel Davis still on the board, but I also got Davis a little later. I guess I would call it a luxury reach and I will likely try to flip him once he gets drafted in a couple weeks.Absolutely, several draft/dynasty people. Specifically mentioned he gets his shoulders out in front of his body and is out of balance a lot.
I think talking pure fantasy people are down on him but that's just my Opinion. A lot of scouts and people feel from a pure football perspective he's a late 1st rounder at the very least because of his high potential as a HR hitter any time he has the ball in his hands. I've seen Tyreke Hill comparisons without the open speed that Hill has as well.Are people down on him primarily because of the 1st round talk?
I think he looks like a high upside guy, but I'm starting to feel confident he'll fall to the late 2nd/even 3rd round of rookie drafts. I can get on board at that price.
The people putting him in the 1st seem to the be the Kiper/McShay/Jeremiah big draft people who I assume go mostly based on their connections and rumors. The people I heard talk about him at The Draft Network which is pretty much non-fantasy and all tape grinding weren't all that impressed with Toney. I don't think I've heard actually heard anyone not employed by ESPN, NFLN or Matt Waldman even hint at Toney being worth a 1st round pick. It also seems like there are 2-3 players every draft now that get comped to Hill and it's got to stop. Toney is nothing like Hill at all IMO.I think talking pure fantasy people are down on him but that's just my Opinion. A lot of scouts and people feel from a pure football perspective he's a late 1st rounder at the very least because of his high potential as a HR hitter any time he has the ball in his hands. I've seen Tyreke Hill comparisons without the open speed that Hill has as well.
If anyone is compared to Hill it should be Waddle.Ilov80s said:The people putting him in the 1st seem to the be the Kiper/McShay/Jeremiah big draft people who I assume go mostly based on their connections and rumors. The people I heard talk about him at The Draft Network which is pretty much non-fantasy and all tape grinding weren't all that impressed with Toney. I don't think I've heard actually heard anyone not employed by ESPN, NFLN or Matt Waldman even hint at Toney being worth a 1st round pick. It also seems like there are 2-3 players every draft now that get comped to Hill and it's got to stop. Toney is nothing like Hill at all IMO.
Agree 100%. He is probably the closest player to Hill that has come out since Hill.If anyone is compared to Hill it should be Waddle.
Fox Sports analyst Peter Schrager speculates that Florida WR Kadarius Toney could go in the top-15.
Schrager was on the PFF "2 for 1 Drafts" show when he made the bold proclamation. He wasn't content to hint at just a top-15 finish and went one step further saying "Kadarius Toney might go top-15, he might go before Devonta Smith." For that to happen, it would mean Toney (5'11/189) rocketed up draft boards while Smith would have experienced a precipitous fall. This is the first such speculation on this to be floated out in the draft-sphere, but with the NFL Draft now just two weeks away, expect to hear more bold takes emerge around the media landscape.
SOURCE: PFF.com
Apr 16, 2021, 4:36 PM ET
Tell me what I’m missing with Toney that would consider him a first round pick?Agree 100%. He is probably the closest player to Hill that has come out since Hill.
In fairness, Matt was "On the couch" and said he has a nagging feeling Toney is the most likely to bust, or something to that effect, apparently he has a knucklehead aspect to himOh I know he is. Being a WR convert with limited experience who almost everyone I have heard describe him as a gadget guy, I assumed Waldman would hate him. Instead I think he has him ranked top 5 and said he has the best releases of any prospect. That just really surprised me. But yeah he also Sermon #1 and I think also had Hakeem Butler #1 that year.
The summary of Matt's position is Toney is a top 5 WR but based on things he has heard, KT could have a behavioral issue,In fairness, Matt was "On the couch" and said he has a nagging feeling Toney is the most likely to bust, or something to that effect, apparently he has a knucklehead aspect to him
IDK, I was referring to WaddleTell me what I’m missing with Toney that would consider him a first round pick?
A good example of that would be Terry.Still passing on Toney at his ADP in rookie mocks. I won't have a pick to select him, it seems, because I don't think he's more than a third rounder. I see a lot of bigger receivers that I'm partial towards that have similar production profiles. I'd rather take a chance on the fast and athletic bigs that haven't popped off yet due to better reasons than Toney. That's me. YMMV.
Yeah, he'd be one. I also have guys that have legitimate QB excuses for their (somewhat in one case) lack of production. Don't want to divulge too much.A good example of that would be Terry.
Seth Williams? Not for me probably, but I can see a dart throw in the 4th round of rookie drafts.Yeah, he'd be one. I also have guys that have legitimate QB excuses for their (somewhat in one case) lack of production. Don't want to divulge too much.
Terry, Williams, Palmer, Smith-Marsette, Imatorbhebhe...there's a bunch of those types this year.Yeah, he'd be one. I also have guys that have legitimate QB excuses for their (somewhat in one case) lack of production. Don't want to divulge too much.
Seth Williams has a second round ADP in rookie drafts per Dynasty League Football. He's WR12, actually. And yes, him.Seth Williams? Not for me probably, but I can see a dart throw in the 4th round of rookie drafts.
Yep. Bunch of guys if you value size and speed combos. There's another who I frankly had in the forefront of my mind. He's going late third/early fourth now, but that's not too for a cry from 23, which I hold.Terry, Williams, Palmer, Smith-Marsette, Imatorbhebhe...there's a bunch of those types this year.
I don't think I would draft him in the 2nd round of a dynasty rookie draft. If what you're saying is true, I suppose I won't have Williams on any of my dynasty teams.Seth Williams has a second round ADP in rookie drafts per Dynasty League Football. He's WR12, actually. And yes, him.
Yeah, it's true. He's 22nd off of the board. Who would you take ahead of him given that it's a weak RB class when all seems said and done?I don't think I would draft him in the 2nd round of a dynasty rookie draft. If what you're saying is true, I suppose I won't have Williams on any of my dynasty teams.
I bet I know who you have in mind and I really like him too.Yep. Bunch of guys if you value size and speed combos. There's another who I frankly had in the forefront of my mind. He's going late third/early fourth now, but that's not too for a cry from 23, which I hold.
Receiver or chanteuse?I bet I know who you have in mind and I really like him too.
I don't think there is anything wrong with the pre-draft slotting, but what you're describing is why I made trades to try and get out of the 20's (we also do IDP). Someone needs to be picked 22nd, but I think it's possible (probable?) that guys picked 32nd aren't much different wrt value. I think there's going to be a tier drop around pick 21-23 then it's a muddled mess into the 30's. That said, I think there are a couple guys going in the top 20 (like Toney) that I won't rank there come May 1 and there will probably be a couple guys outside of it that I'd consider not trading away from (like Williams).Yeah, it's true. He's 22nd off of the board. Who would you take ahead of him given that it's a weak RB class when all seems said and done?
Right now it goes Chase, Bateman, D. Smith, R. Moore, Waddle, T. Marshall, T. Wallace, E. Moore, A. Ra-St. Brown, Toney, D. Brown, and then Williams. The next guys are Terry, Amari Rodgers, Tutu Atwell.
I think that's about the extent of it. So WR12.