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On 7/27/2021 at 9:22 AM, Dr. Octopus said:

I'm not high on him at all really, but when he fell to 2.07, I felt like it was malpractice not to take him. When does a first round NFL WR fall to the middle of the second in fantasy drafts?

Same thing happened to me in a few dynasty leagues. Didn't go looking to draft him but got him late 2nd in IDP leagues. Really didn't have any choice. I'm a big believer in draft position.

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1 hour ago, facook said:

One more pick between Toney and my 2.09 slot.  If 2.08 takes him I won't know whether to be bummed, relieved, or both.

Welp, I got him.  Here we go, I guess.

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Giants first-round WR Kadarius Toney made his on-field debut on Tuesday. 

It's notable because it comes a full week after Toney was activated from the reserve/COVID-19 list. Toney "dropped an easy catch in his first target of camp," but reportedly "flashed some of the speed/agility that made the Giants want to draft him." He also saw extensive work as a punt returner, which could be his most consistent early-season role. 

SOURCE: NJ.com

Aug 3, 2021, 4:19 PM ET

 

 

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Pat Leonard @PLeonardNYDN

Kadarius Toney working with first team offense more extensively to start this practice, too #Giants


https://twitter.com/pleonardnydn/status/1423035863827685377?s=21
 

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Art Stapleton @art_stapleton

Watching Kadarius Toney for the second consecutive practice, his twitch is a given. I’ve been impressed with his hands, especially on receptions away from his body and on the move. Appears to be finding a rhythm.
#NYGiants


https://twitter.com/art_stapleton/status/1423052829435076613?s=21

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Giants coach Joe Judge said first-round rookie wide receiver Kadarius Toney is "progressing physically at a nice rate."

Toney missed much of OTAs and minicamp for various reasons (contract dispute, minor injury, personal reasons) and started training camp on the COVID list, but he has started to work back in after being activated last week. He ran exclusively with the second team on Thursday in a low-intensity practice, so it's still hard to get overly excited about him. The Florida product is buried on the Giants' depth chart and doesn't project to be relevant without an injury to someone ahead of him in 2021.

SOURCE: NJ.com

Aug 5, 2021, 4:50 PM ET

 

 

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Kadarius Toney (undisclosed) has resumed practicing in full pads. 

Toney spent most of his first training camp on the sideline battling a mysterious ailment. He received precious few reps with Daniel Jones and the first-team offense, and frankly does not seem in position to be a meaningful contributor on offense to begin the season. This was famous last words the last time the fantasy drafting public wrote off a rookie first-round Giants receiver, but Toney seems extremely unlikely to provide re-draft value in 2021. 

SOURCE: Art Stapleton on Twitter 

Sep 2, 2021, 1:53 PM ET

 

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On 7/28/2021 at 11:57 AM, facook said:

One more pick between Toney and my 2.09 slot.  If 2.08 takes him I won't know whether to be bummed, relieved, or both.

Got him at 3.11 in a rookie/vet FA draft.

Bargain at that price.

He's not as small as I thought and I love the explosion vert/broad jump.

With a 17 game season he WILL get a shot to start at some point.  He's going to have some splash plays along the way.  Possibly a big game where his value will increase.

Could be a classic buy-low/sell-high later in the season.  Right now he is a bargain in most drafts.  

Late 3rd?  Feh, that is nothing and their is upside IMHO.

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Sneaking suspicion he could be a big surprise story of week 1. All it would take is two explosive touches for him to steal headlines. I have him in both dynasty so 100% biased but the unabashed shade he gets from literally everyone just makes me want him to succeed even more. 😂

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26 minutes ago, tombonneau said:

Sneaking suspicion he could be a big surprise story of week 1. All it would take is two explosive touches for him to steal headlines. I have him in both dynasty so 100% biased but the unabashed shade he gets from literally everyone just makes me want him to succeed even more. 😂

There were a couple of plays early in the Patriots preseason game that the Giants ran that made me think “ ok those are going to Toney plays in the regular season “

One was the reverse run by Slayton

The other Jones ended up getting sacked on but he held the ball a tick to long and didn’t see a wide open Devon Booker.

On that play the Giants were in an empty set with Booker lined up as the most outside WR on the 3 WR side (Jones’s left)

Presnap motion brought Booker behind the 2 WR on his side of field and gave him a free release ( from the slot )on a crossing route over the middle. Booker beat the defender with ease but for some reason Jones didn’t throw it and was sacked. Of course everyone is killing Thomas for giving up the sack ( don’t get me wrong it still would have been a pressure) but Jones should have thrown it.

That play was the 2nd sack of the game so if you can find the all 22 of that play you will see what I’m trying to describe 

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1 hour ago, Yenrub said:

There were a couple of plays early in the Patriots preseason game that the Giants ran that made me think “ ok those are going to Toney plays in the regular season “

One was the reverse run by Slayton

The other Jones ended up getting sacked on but he held the ball a tick to long and didn’t see a wide open Devon Booker.

On that play the Giants were in an empty set with Booker lined up as the most outside WR on the 3 WR side (Jones’s left)

Presnap motion brought Booker behind the 2 WR on his side of field and gave him a free release ( from the slot )on a crossing route over the middle. Booker beat the defender with ease but for some reason Jones didn’t throw it and was sacked. Of course everyone is killing Thomas for giving up the sack ( don’t get me wrong it still would have been a pressure) but Jones should have thrown it.

That play was the 2nd sack of the game so if you can find the all 22 of that play you will see what I’m trying to describe 

 

Interesting insight. I really think they will be scheming a few plays like you say. Especially these coaches are human and all they hear for months is everyone banging on this pick you gotta think ego is involved and they will want to shut everyone up. ;)

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Giants WR Kadarius Toney "finally seems to be turning the corner" after missing most of training camp with COVID-19 and a hamstring injury.

Toney is still behind the rest of the receivers, but the No. 20 overall pick is finally healthy after returning to full practice this week. The Giants expect to feature Toney on "jet sweeps and gadget plays" with the hope his role grows as the season progresses. Toney will open the year as the No. 4 receiver behind Kenny Golladay, Sterling Shepard, and Darius Slayton.

SOURCE: The Athletic

Sep 4, 2021, 10:52 AM ET

 

 

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Toney is talented and many people (Giant fans especially) didn't like the pick because he was supposed to be a late 1st early 2nd guy.  Further, because he has been a non factor in the preseason, the Giants added Golladay, there are still questions about Jones, there are a lot of mouths to feed (Barkley, Golladay, Shepard, Slayton), and inexplicably, Gettlemen didn't add a single lineman (their biggest need) in a draft that was very strong in that department, makes one wonder how effective this offense will be.  Jones was already one of the most hurried QB's in the game.  BUT, that doesn't mean, Toney can't be excellent!

Personally, I think it was a bad pick.  While I am very big on trading back in drafts and I have been very critical of the Barkley pick and how Gettlemen never traded back until this year (I think he forced it to prove he could - he is that weak), I wanted the Giants to stay where they were and pick the linebacker Parsons (their other need).  Ever since Gettlemen signed Jonathan Stewart, who was already done, for 7 mil for 2 years and then drafted Barkley, I knew he was a fool.  BTW, I think Barkley is a terrific back, but nobody is ever sure about any pick (including my thought on Parsons), but I am very much into the value side of picks and Gettlemen thumbs his nose at it just like many people thumbed their noses at OPS type stats in baseball or using the shift.  

Back to Toney...I think the best things to do with him is let someone else take him and then after he has a fairly weak showing over the first many games, you try and grab him as a throw in later on (assuming deep keeper or dynasty leagues)

Sorry for going off on Gettlemen, but as a Giant fan, I am so disappointed in him.

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1 hour ago, Liquid Tension said:

Toney is talented and many people (Giant fans especially) didn't like the pick because he was supposed to be a late 1st early 2nd guy.  Further, because he has been a non factor in the preseason, the Giants added Golladay, there are still questions about Jones, there are a lot of mouths to feed (Barkley, Golladay, Shepard, Slayton), and inexplicably, Gettlemen didn't add a single lineman (their biggest need) in a draft that was very strong in that department, makes one wonder how effective this offense will be.  Jones was already one of the most hurried QB's in the game.  BUT, that doesn't mean, Toney can't be excellent!

Personally, I think it was a bad pick.  While I am very big on trading back in drafts and I have been very critical of the Barkley pick and how Gettlemen never traded back until this year (I think he forced it to prove he could - he is that weak), I wanted the Giants to stay where they were and pick the linebacker Parsons (their other need).  Ever since Gettlemen signed Jonathan Stewart, who was already done, for 7 mil for 2 years and then drafted Barkley, I knew he was a fool.  BTW, I think Barkley is a terrific back, but nobody is ever sure about any pick (including my thought on Parsons), but I am very much into the value side of picks and Gettlemen thumbs his nose at it just like many people thumbed their noses at OPS type stats in baseball or using the shift.  

Back to Toney...I think the best things to do with him is let someone else take him and then after he has a fairly weak showing over the first many games, you try and grab him as a throw in later on (assuming deep keeper or dynasty leagues)

Sorry for going off on Gettlemen, but as a Giant fan, I am so disappointed in him.

As a Jet fan that listens to a lot of local sports talk, I empathize with you.  It's a helpless/hopeless feeling watching your GM inexplicable ignore things that EVERYBODY, from the talking heads on the radio to the dumb dumbs that hardly know anything to the die hard fans, knows needs to be done.  It's a scary parallel to what the Jets just went through with the Darnold/Mike Mac error/era.  I think the Giants have infinite more offensive firepower than the Jets ever gave Darnold, but the lack of protection, and [seeming] lack of scheming to help with that and making up for his own deficiencies may very well end up his undoing, and that of Gettleman as well.  (I happen to like Judge and think he's safe for a bit, but it'll be tough doing the offset hiring of coach -> GM.)

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15 minutes ago, sheerterror said:

As a Jet fan that listens to a lot of local sports talk, I empathize with you.  It's a helpless/hopeless feeling watching your GM inexplicable ignore things that EVERYBODY, from the talking heads on the radio to the dumb dumbs that hardly know anything to the die hard fans, knows needs to be done.  It's a scary parallel to what the Jets just went through with the Darnold/Mike Mac error/era.  I think the Giants have infinite more offensive firepower than the Jets ever gave Darnold, but the lack of protection, and [seeming] lack of scheming to help with that and making up for his own deficiencies may very well end up his undoing, and that of Gettleman as well.  (I happen to like Judge and think he's safe for a bit, but it'll be tough doing the offset hiring of coach -> GM.)

 

Yeah, the Giants and jets are similar these days.  I happen to like Judge so far, but if he was the one who chose our OC then I take a little back.  First, just coming from Dallas was a negative.  I will give him one last year as the OC.  I just wish the OL was better because I can't even rate Jones as a QB because he has been tortured back there.

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41 minutes ago, cloppbeast said:

Remember Odell.Beckham.Jr? If I remember correctly, he was hurt the whole of pre season also. Uncanny.

Beckham was a far better prospect though, and love him or hate him, a much more accomplished QB in Eli Manning.

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1 hour ago, travdogg said:

Beckham was a far better prospect though, and love him or hate him, a much more accomplished QB in Eli Manning.

Going by the best obective measure of a prospect we have, Toney is not quite the caliber of OBJ. You could also say he's drafted for a different purpose other than plug and play wide receiver. 

But Eli Manning got benched for Daniel Jones.

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1 hour ago, cloppbeast said:

Going by the best obective measure of a prospect we have, Toney is not quite the caliber of OBJ. You could also say he's drafted for a different purpose other than plug and play wide receiver. 

But Eli Manning got benched for Daniel Jones.

Come on now, pretty big difference between 2019 Eli, and 2014 Eli. 

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17 hours ago, cloppbeast said:

Remember Odell.Beckham.Jr? If I remember correctly, he was hurt the whole of pre season also. Uncanny.

Sounds like a coincidence to me.

They were both 1st round picks by the Giants too.

There are likely a few other things they have in common as well.

Toney being as productive as a rookie on a per game basis as Beckham was though?

Only Randy Moss, Anquan Boldin and Justin Jefferson have been that good right away so far unless I am forgetting someone.

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significant role implies he actually gets on the field, and not much else.This is the same Joe Judge who laughably praises Pat Shurmur as an 'outstanding coach'. wow ..I wonder what he thinks about McAdoo. This pretty much sums up Joe Judge IMO. he won't be in NY next season. this thing's about to implode. Denver's defense is no joke. they travel two time zones east to STILL be a favorite in the betting lines? cmon now. easy peasy bet. danny nickels going to throw quite a few picks

Giants are going to get whipped here.

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16 minutes ago, Tanner9919 said:

significant role implies he actually gets on the field, and not much else.This is the same Joe Judge who laughably praises Pat Shurmur as an 'outstanding coach'. wow ..I wonder what he thinks about McAdoo. This pretty much sums up Joe Judge IMO. he won't be in NY next season. this thing's about to implode. Denver's defense is no joke. they travel two time zones east to STILL be a favorite in the betting lines? cmon now. easy peasy bet. danny nickels going to throw quite a few picks

Giants are going to get whipped here.

He 100 percent will be in NY next year, he could go 0-16 and be in NY

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Kadarius Toney caught 2-of-2 targets for -2 yards in the Giants' Week 1 loss to the Broncos. 

The No. 20 overall pick was on the field for just 5-of-61 snaps. Any hope that the 22-year-old would be a draft day bargain based on his real life draft capital alone has quickly faded. Not only is this a crowded offense, it's a dysfunctional one, one that will soon be getting Evan Engram back in the targets mix. Saquon Barkley will also be in for bigger snap and target shares. Toney is looking miles from re-draft relevance.  

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Kadarius Toney did not receive a touch in the Giants' Week 2 loss to Washington. 

Toney and fellow wideout Kenny Golladay were visibly upset on the sideline Thursday night while the Giants went back and forth with Washington. Toney, who played 19 snaps Thursday night, stormed off after head coach Joe Judge pulled him aside in the third quarter and spoke to him briefly. After the game, Toney posted to Instagram: “i don’t be mad, s—t just be lame to me." The 20th overall pick in the 2021 NFL Draft missed most of training camp with COVID-19 and was hardly utilized in New York's opener against Denver, catching both of his targets for -2 yards. Toney should only be rostered in the deepest fantasy formats. 

SOURCE: NJ.com 

Sep 17, 2021, 8:21 AM ET

 

 

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3 minutes ago, tombonneau said:

He's got the diva part down. Now he just needs to work on the wide receiver thing.


This guy makes me "argh" all over, almost in my pants, even. And not the front-facing part. This guy makes my digestive system go "Argh" and wonder if I'm having a Gettleman.

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