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crackattack
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Really??
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.salon.com/2020/10/01/lets-tell-the-truth-about-the-pandemic-donald-trump-is-guilty-of-mass-murder/&ved=2ahUKEwiWtIKf5vjuAhWBGM0KHeLuDikQFjABegQIBxAC&usg=AOvVaw21TMRqqJYFVgSwzUQjx6f1
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.vanityfair.com/style/2020/04/how-donald-trump-almost-killed-my-husband/amp&ved=2ahUKEwiWtIKf5vjuAhWBGM0KHeLuDikQFjAHegQIBhAC&usg=AOvVaw06Hv7ZQR4jwuEkJHPR1Xe-&ampcf=1
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://static.theintercept.com/amp/is-donald-trump-criminally-responsible-for-coronavirus-deaths.html&ved=2ahUKEwiWtIKf5vjuAhWBGM0KHeLuDikQFjAJegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw3PqR4Ca1MMCnIcdfJi_QQI&ampcf=1
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.nydailynews.com/snyde/ny-michael-moore-president-trump-murder-coronavirus-covid-deaths-20200914-3sptq3qnjvgifchhaioatec274-story.html%3FoutputType%3Damp&ved=2ahUKEwjUjv2W5_juAhWpB50JHZUAAZMQFjAAegQIARAC&usg=AOvVaw3jb1xG1eebWMO9ty2tFMwI&ampcf=1
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/trump-testing-advert-us-election-coronavirus-mass-murder-a9583916.html%3Famp&ved=2ahUKEwjUjv2W5_juAhWpB50JHZUAAZMQFjABegQICBAC&usg=AOvVaw1RiKfcAI4o-o3kr1nOuULP&ampcf=1
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.thenation.com/article/politics/trump-coronavirus-covid/tnamp/&ved=2ahUKEwjUjv2W5_juAhWpB50JHZUAAZMQFjACegQIDBAC&usg=AOvVaw3_juvabqx7wVLvmx84S39M&ampcf=1
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.foxnews.com/entertainment/bette-midler-donald-trump-murderer-handling-coronavirus-pandemic.amp&ved=2ahUKEwjUjv2W5_juAhWpB50JHZUAAZMQFjADegQICxAC&usg=AOvVaw32WNuFMqFuNK7Xpi8KKKXk&ampcf=1
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.the-sun.com/news/1462792/cher-calls-trump-mass-murderer-punishment-death-twitter/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjUjv2W5_juAhWpB50JHZUAAZMQFjAEegQICRAC&usg=AOvVaw0SOhFDn2eltvyHkdbX5vvI&ampcf=1
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2021/01/20/pelosi-says-trump-could-be-accessory-to-murder-for-capitol-attack-deaths/amp/&ved=2ahUKEwjUjv2W5_juAhWpB50JHZUAAZMQFjAGegQIBRAC&usg=AOvVaw2PiMa7Iwoag8X-g-i2JvUC&ampcf=1
And it goes on and on. Even Pelosi said he could be an accessory to murder.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Saying responsible vs murder is a huge distinction is my point. I think a bigger difference than you are inferring here.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Opeds vs democrats claiming murder. Again very different.
And you are equating the capitol attack with what was being discussed which was covid.
rockaction
Footballguy
My God, you think you'd like bite a shoe or something for ten minutes before you spoke again after that beat down. It's almost like asking for sources is...in bad faith or something...
sho nuff
Footballguy
Bad faith...like talking a post about democrats and covid and bringing opeds (not prominent democrats) and pelosi and the Capitol attack?
I dont think I claimed nobody stated it...I asked which prominent democrats stated he was responsible for murder...and even deleted the post minutes after I posted it (before there was any response) because I knew how it would play out.
Beat down...no.
Bad faith? Yeah this and what you are responding to are definitely in bad faith.
Did either of you even read the links? The closest you get is Michael Moore.
I mean...I say prominent democrats, please no pissed off celebrities...we get op eds, Cher, Bette Midler and Michael Moore.
The links sort of make my point. Democrats weren’t out claiming he murdered hundreds of thousands of people.
There are plenty who think he is responsible for more deaths that should have happened. And I think that would be a fair statement about him given the downplaying of things to start. Just as its fair to say Cuomo is responsible for excess deaths due to his actions.
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timschochet
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Except in this case this began with me arguing that Cuomo shouldn’t be called a murderer, and then I was asked by @KingPrawnif I complained when Trump was called a murderer. I did. And I never argued that Trump wasn’t called a murderer, so @crackattack wasted everyone’s time by posting all those examples. Of course Trump was called a murderer. And it was wrong. So you guys have created this hypocrisy in your own minds.
rockaction
Footballguy
Oh, I didn't follow that part of your argument. sho and squis were more than willing to assert that, it seems. I don't know. It's hard to keep track sometimes.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I will continue to assert that prominent democrats did not claim Trump murdered hundreds of thousands of people. Not did crack’s links show that any did.
Also that if someone said that about he or Cuomo would be wrong.
squistion
Footballguy
crackattack
Footballguy
I guess the millions of people these "celebrities" and opinion people reach via Twitter and news outlets ar inconsequential. But Rush as an opinion guy/newsish person isn't. Crazy times. The influence "celebrities" have and opinion people matters. Good stuff. It only matters from politicians 
Twitter is used constantly as a "source" from nobody's, celebrities, and opinion people. Again. Crazy times.
Twitter is used constantly as a "source" from nobody's, celebrities, and opinion people. Again. Crazy times.
GoBirds
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crackattack
Footballguy
I've heard on this very website that silence is compliance. Those "celebrities" donate to democrats. Those democrats accept their money along with the opinions they spew. So until democrats start returning money from celebrities who spew this nonsense, or condem those comments, I will assume they agree with such opinions. Seems fair.
sho nuff
Footballguy
That wasn't the point.I guess the millions of people these "celebrities" and opinion people reach via Twitter and news outlets ar inconsequential. But Rush as an opinion guy/newsish person isn't. Crazy times. The influence "celebrities" have and opinion people matters. Good stuff. It only matters from politicians
Twitter is used constantly as a "source" from nobody's, celebrities, and opinion people. Again. Crazy times.
Someone stated that Democrats were calling for this...I asked which prominent democrats (not some schmo off the street) and save me the pissed off celebs...Because we hear over and over that nobody cares what they think (and politcally, I agree, I don't really care what any celebrity has to say).
You proceeded to bring links to no actual prominent democrats...just bad op-eds (including a woman whose husband died), and 2 celebs that at this point have what type of following? I mean, is anyone really out there giving much weight to what Cher and Bette Midler have to say these days? Do you think they had the following that Rush did? And who was talking about Rush anyway? What does he have to do with the conversation?
The one politicians you bring up...was talking about the Capitol riots and not even Covid. Which had zero to do with the conversation.
Are you serious with this?
crackattack
Footballguy
I never responded to you Sho. I don't respond to you. I didn't quote you. I owe you nothing. I was posting my thoughts and opinions on the subject. I don't even read your full replies. So it'd be fine with me if you just skipped over my posts, don't quote me etc. Have a great weekend!
sho nuff
Footballguy
Because my post was already gone...you responded to the post that was talking to me...about the points I was making. Your links only solidified my point (yet others called it a beat down).
You also have a nice weekend.
Cowboysfan8
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squistion
Footballguy
So democrats should check the social media sites of every celebrity and see if there are any political opinions they disagree with - and if there are, then they should return any donations, otherwise it must be assumed they agree with such opinions? Okie Dokie.
crackattack
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
A lack of response is not a response.
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This is a pretty good article:
https://www.newsweek.com/andrew-cuomo-caved-donors-he-shielded-nursing-home-bosses-ron-king-says-1570702
https://www.newsweek.com/andrew-cuomo-caved-donors-he-shielded-nursing-home-bosses-ron-king-says-1570702
supermike80
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Twitter is an often used source here.I guess the millions of people these "celebrities" and opinion people reach via Twitter and news outlets ar inconsequential. But Rush as an opinion guy/newsish person isn't. Crazy times. The influence "celebrities" have and opinion people matters. Good stuff. It only matters from politicians
Twitter is used constantly as a "source" from nobody's, celebrities, and opinion people. Again. Crazy times.
supermike80
Footballguy
If anyone comes here and says Trump wasn't DIRECTLY blamed for the covid deaths in this country they are just being flat out dishonest. Period
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squistion
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Yes, he was being blamed and rightfully so for his administrations inept response to the pandemic, including disbanding the pandemic task force Obama had set up, his discouraging of mask usage and social distancing, plus his denial of the seriousness of the COVID crisis, predicting repeatedly it would go away and disappear (most recently that it wouldn't be talked about after election day)
That said, being blamed for the deaths is not the same as calling him a murderer, which major Democrats and party leaders did not do, as that implies intent.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Did anyone say that? Because that is certainly not the point I made, and don't recall others making it.
He was blamed for excess deaths because of his actions and inactions. And I believe it is fair to put that on him. Just as it is fair to do so with Cuomo (and other governors who took poor measures).
KingPrawn
Footballguy
He wasn't blamed for "excess" deaths. He was blamed for ALL deaths. Unless you believe that all the deaths could have been prevented had Trump acted more responsibly.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I don’t believe there were any large groups on here or out there blaming hom for all deaths. Including any prominent people. Again, spare me pissed off celebrities.
No, I don’t believe there was any movement blaming Trump for all deaths. If so...please post it.
supermike80
Footballguy
Semantics. I wont play that game with you. Youre right. I cannot find anything to show he went out and literally murdered every American that died of covid. You got me there.
squistion
Footballguy
No, I don't recall anyone saying that there would have been no COVID deaths in this country if not for Donald Trump.
supermike80
Footballguy
What??? That can't be!
Waiting for the defense of this one.
Is he one of those wacky celebrities?
Maybe he's just one guy. And not "everyone " as the cop will usually pull out.
Interesting
crackattack
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Sure...he said it that way (back in September...speaking fully about lockdowns and how things were done (lockdowns and masks being downplayed).
Id say yes...he said it. I doubt he meant all...but sure, you got one that said it and obviously the big one.
He was hit for that...by fact checkers even from the Washington Post.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2020/09/17/joe-bidens-cnn-town-hall-an-occasional-whopper/
and politifact
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/sep/18/joe-biden/joe-biden-wrongly-claims-trump-couldve-prevented-e/
among others.
And had previously asked how many it would have saved or how many less would have died (in that very townhall). So it seems a big flub, doubt he ever repeated such thing either...did he?
sho nuff
Footballguy
Already replied...he said it...and screwed up and was hit for it by pretty much every fact checker.
Stated differently earlier in the townhall as well and never repeated it...correct?
So was it some big movement that Trump murdered all of them? Or that Trump was responsible for every death? No...it wasn't. It wasn't even a thing from Biden after that...was it?
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, the leader of the Democratic Party said it, but that doesn't mean anything. Semantics. Nothing to see here. You see, the media fact checked it, so everything is kosher.
sho nuff
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
Thats funny? I admitted he said it. Can you admit he seemed to say otherwise elsewhere in that very townhall? Cid he ever say it again?
rockaction
Footballguy
Yeah, because if there's anything I do on the board, it's to act in bad faith so that less people take me seriously. Bull####. That's exactly the tone and thrust of your post, as jobarules points out.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Where dod I say it was ok?
If by literally word for word, you mean not at all what I said? Sure
Because I never called it semantics, never said it was all kosher, never said it doesn’t mean anything. It was quite literally, not at all what I said or even meant.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
You just did in order to mock my post. Sorry if you think that BS was in good faith...pretty clear it wasn’t. Since it wasn’t at all what I said.
As Joba pointed out?...he falsely stated i said it word for word.
rockaction
Footballguy
It was part sarcasm, and you should know context and tone. It's a synthesis of yours and squis's arguments constantly on this board. And that you tried to explain it away by saying "But...but look at the fact checkers. They got it right." is right in keeping with the tone and main thrust of your post. You absolutely did do that. That was your line of argument.
And I'm done with this for now. You guys are making claims that aren't true about Cuomo and Democrats blaming Trump for the deaths of a ton of people. They did do exactly that. You should be making this about whether they were right or not. Because Trump being responsible and Cuomo being guilty of a cover-up are not mutually exclusive here. But you're so Team Blue that you'll deny everything to save argument face, even if the implied premises are faulty. (You didn't even need to worry about what Dems and op-ed people were saying. Cuomo doesn't undercut those arguments against Trump at all. All Cuomo's situation shows is that Cuomo ####ed up. Nothing more, nothing less.)
sho nuff
Footballguy
It wasnt to explain it away. It was to show it wasn’t some overall democratic party theme or that through the msm. Because the context of the discussion started when the claim was made that “President Trump was called a murderer of 300,000+ people throughout the presidential campaign by the Democrats. Was it just a game to them as well?” And expanded further about those who even said death when people like cher and bette midler were brought up.
Joe said it...he shouldn’t have. And to my knowledge did not state such a thing again and in fact inferred otherwise in that very town hall.
But that is not some big group of democrats claiming he was responsible for all...and that still appears to be the case.
And stop the team blue crap...because its a bogus argument to start woth. Ive said both Trump and Cuomo screwed up and should resign and I wasn't the one to even bring Trump up. The only argument I denied was that there were any contingency of Democrats claiming Trump murdered 300,000 people or was responsible for every death.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
We didn’t go from any of that to the next for anyone that followed what O actually said from the start nor what Im saying now.
Im in no hole. Not digging. I think it is more than clear “President Trump was called a murderer of 300,000+ people throughout the presidential campaign by the Democrats.” was not a true statement. Even if the hyperbole of saying murdered is being taken out.
Biden saying it apparently once happened...but isn't Democrats throughout the campaign. And again the full context of the townhall indicates he questioned how many would have died vs the whole time claiming Trump was responsible for all of them. And Trump was brought up why?
GordonGekko
Footballguy
sho nuff said:
Direct Headline: ABC Spent Less than a Minute on Federal Cuomo Probe, Almost 4x on Cruz Optics
Nicholas Fondacaro February 18th, 2021 8:59 PM
https://newsbusters.org/blogs/nb/nicholas-fondacaro/2021/02/18/abc-spent-less-minute-federal-cuomo-probe-almost-4x-cruz
******
What about the distinction between the clearly left leaning MSM coverage that tries to obscure the Cuomo/NY/nursing home story?
Do you believe the concealing of facts regarding the death of American citizens deserve more than "less than a minute" from ABC?
Will you finally admit the largest distinction is - It's Just (D)ifferent
DocHolliday
Footballguy
The liberal media will continue to make sure their team wins. Cuomo’s situation will be covered up, ignored by most media outlets, and be forgotten in a couple of weeks. That is how this country operates. If you are a D, you love it. If you are a R, you hate it. In the end, everyone loses because this country is no longer about We, the People.
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