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13 hours ago, The Z Machine said:

1.  A SCJ who is asking for a lifetime appointment to the highest court in the land should have exemplary behavior during the confirmation hearings.  They are asked to enact very important jurisprudence that can only be overturned by that same body.  Their demeanor and comportment under stress, and even under allegations that may not be true, influences their ability to carry out their duties as a SCJ.  Those duties are to be impartial and as a-political as possible.  BK did not exhibit either of those qualities during the confirmation hearings.

2. Next time a convicted felon comes up for a SCJ seat, let me know.  Otherwise, it's a ridiculous comparison on a lot of levels.

I think 1 went by the boards from me when the man was accused of being a rapist in front of his family in the carnival barker fashion that was that so called hearing.  I'm no huge fan of Kavanaugh but that whole side show was the ultimate "But Trump" act if I ever saw one.  

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NY'er here and while I was not a fan of Cuomo, I thought at the beginning his press conferences were strong and what the people of NY needed. I watched them pretty much everyday but then you could sta

No idea what you mean by essentially but it’s rather amazing that anyone could think that Cuomo has gotten a free pass. 

So now we went from "show me a link" to "show me a link to someone other than a crying celebrity" to "sure he said it but he didn't repeat it" There's an old saying that I think applies here. If

30 minutes ago, Shula-holic said:

I think 1 went by the boards from me when the man was accused of being a rapist in front of his family in the carnival barker fashion that was that so called hearing.  I'm no huge fan of Kavanaugh but that whole side show was the ultimate "But Trump" act if I ever saw one.  

Side show?  

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9 hours ago, tommyGunZ said:

I called for Cuomo’s resignation.  You actively supported and voted for Trump.  Pretty clear who takes these things seriously, and who is driven by their partisan bias.  

Your track record speaks for itself, I’ll leave it at that. 

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On 2/24/2021 at 12:45 PM, IvanKaramazov said:

But you forgot the time he gave that really good speech.  Does that count for nothing???

Son, we live in a world that has viruses, and those viruses have to be contained by men with policy. Who's gonna do it? You? You, Ivan? I have a greater responsibility than you could possibly fathom. You weep for old people and you curse the fda. You have that luxury. You have the luxury of not knowing what I know; that my speeches, while mostly bullcrap, probably saved lives. And my existence, while grotesque and incomprehensible to you, *saves lives*

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On 2/25/2021 at 9:27 PM, timschochet said:

Yes. I don’t think he should step down yet. 
1. His argument about the nursing homes is that he was advised to do what he did by public health experts. This may very well be so. I suspect it is. 
2. He is guilty of withholding info from Trump’s justice department because he claims he would have been subjected to a political prosecution. This is a plausible excuse though unacceptable because he broke the law. However I’m not sure he broke the law seriously enough to have to resign. 
3. He claims he’s innocent of the harassment charges. I rather doubt this, but you need to prove it before he should step down IMO. 
 

So now that there is a 2nd allegation of sexual harassment, with proof to back up her claims, have you changed your mind on whether he should step down?

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Governor Cuomo just issued a tepid, highly unsatisfactory apology. He needs to resign. 

I would like to point out something here: it’s my understanding that all of the reporting regarding the sexual harassment charges have come from the New York Times, just as the Hillary email story came directly from the New York Times. 

I fully realize that the majority of conservatives will simply ignore this fact and continue to believe the false notion that the mainstream media lies on behalf of liberals, but it would be nice if just a few took notice of this and perhaps reconsidered their convictions on this matter. 

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4 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Governor Cuomo just issued a tepid, highly unsatisfactory apology. He needs to resign. 

I would like to point out something here: it’s my understanding that all of the reporting regarding the sexual harassment charges have come from the New York Times, just as the Hillary email story came directly from the New York Times. 

I fully realize that the majority of conservatives will simply ignore this fact and continue to believe the false notion that the mainstream media lies on behalf of liberals, but it would be nice if just a few took notice of this and perhaps reconsidered their convictions on this matter. 

Not all. I used a NYT article because Fox News/CNN is constantly criticized on this website. I actually saw it first on Fox, but used the Times here.

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On 2/26/2021 at 11:28 AM, crackattack said:

I'll save everybody time. The answer is no. The BK hearings were some of the lowest attacks, behavior, allegations I've ever seen. It was grotesque.

lets be honest, the liberal left hated Kavanaugh and needed to believe Ford in order to fuel their hate

they don't hate Cuomo - and so, they'll toss aside Lee's accusations ... but with Bennett coming forward, harder to ignore and maybe the heat is too much now with Cuomo having killed thousands with his nursing home rules and now multiple women saying he sexually harassed them

I just wish we could call everyone the same when it came to these issues :( 

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Gov. Cuomo's office released the following statement:

"Questions have been raised about some of my past interactions with people in the office.

"I never intended to offend anyone or cause any harm. I spend most of my life at work and colleagues are often also personal friends.

"At work sometimes I think I am being playful and make jokes that I think are funny. I do, on occasion, tease people in what I think is a good natured way. I do it in public and in private. You have seen me do it at briefings hundreds of times. I have teased people about their personal lives, their relationships, about getting married or not getting married. I mean no offense and only attempt to add some levity and banter to what is a very serious business.

"I now understand that my interactions may have been insensitive or too personal and that some of my comments, given my position, made others feel in ways I never intended. I acknowledge some of the things I have said have been misinterpreted as an unwanted flirtation. To the extent anyone felt that way, I am truly sorry about that.

"To be clear I never inappropriately touched anybody and I never propositioned anybody and I never intended to make anyone feel uncomfortable, but these are allegations that New Yorkers deserve answers to.

"That's why I have asked for an outside, independent review that looks at these allegations.

"Separately, my office has heard anecdotally that some people have reached out to Ms. Bennett to express displeasure about her coming forward. My message to anyone doing that is you have misjudged what matters to me and my administration and you should stop now - period."

 

 

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1 hour ago, Stealthycat said:

lets be honest, the liberal left hated Kavanaugh and needed to believe Ford in order to fuel their hate

they don't hate Cuomo - and so, they'll toss aside Lee's accusations ... but with Bennett coming forward, harder to ignore and maybe the heat is too much now with Cuomo having killed thousands with his nursing home rules and now multiple women saying he sexually harassed them

I just wish we could call everyone the same when it came to these issues :( 

:goodposting: 

This is 100% true, totally agree and it’s said many can’t own it. 

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2 hours ago, Stealthycat said:

lets be honest, the liberal left hated Kavanaugh and needed to believe Ford in order to fuel their hate

they don't hate Cuomo - and so, they'll toss aside Lee's accusations ... but with Bennett coming forward, harder to ignore and maybe the heat is too much now with Cuomo having killed thousands with his nursing home rules and now multiple women saying he sexually harassed them

I just wish we could call everyone the same when it came to these issues :( 

Do a poll. Plenty of Democrats on this board and beyond have been calling for his resignation since before this latest accusation. Once again, you are just playing make believe like a 6 year old only child. Dems have a history of stepping aside for much less than this. See Franken and Katie Hill, for starters. You know who would not think of it for a second? Any member of the GOP. They'd triple down, circle the wagons, and go into full smear against these women.

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6 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

Do a poll. Plenty of Democrats on this board and beyond have been calling for his resignation since before this latest accusation. Once again, you are just playing make believe like a 6 year old only child. Dems have a history of stepping aside for much less than this. See Franken and Katie Hill, for starters. You know who would not think of it for a second? Any member of the GOP. They'd triple down, circle the wagons, and go into full smear against these women.

Katie Hill? You don't think she should have stepped down???  :jawdrop:

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6 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

Do a poll. Plenty of Democrats on this board and beyond have been calling for his resignation since before this latest accusation. Once again, you are just playing make believe like a 6 year old only child. Dems have a history of stepping aside for much less than this. See Franken and Katie Hill, for starters. You know who would not think of it for a second? Any member of the GOP. They'd triple down, circle the wagons, and go into full smear against these women.

Katie hill was not less than this. Unless there are pictures of cuomo...

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7 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Katie hill was not less than this. Unless there are pictures of cuomo...

Katie Hill absolutely was less than this. Unless I'm misremembering harassment allegations. That woman was a consenting adult. Being a victim of revenge porn is not worse than sexual harassment.

ETA: But that's neither here nor there. The point is that she did step down.

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10 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

Katie Hill absolutely was less than this. Unless I'm misremembering harassment allegations. That woman was a consenting adult. Being a victim of revenge porn is not worse than sexual harassment.

ETA: But that's neither here nor there. The point is that she did step down.

She was a staffer. 

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Katie Hill violated US House personnel ethics rules. She should've resigned. And this nonsense that Republicans don't every resign is not true. I can think of a few of the top of my head.

Blake Farenthold. Tim Murphy. Trent Franks. Patrick Meehan. I'm sure there's more. Democrats hold no moral high ground on resignations.

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10 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Katie Hill violated US House personnel ethics rules. She should've resigned. And this nonsense that Republicans don't every resign is not true. I can think of a few of the top of my head.

Blake Farenthold. Tim Murphy. Trent Franks. Patrick Meehan. I'm sure there's more. Democrats hold no moral high ground on resignations.

You sure about that? The girl was a campaign staffer. Unless I missed it there is no evidence that she was involved with anyone on her staff in Congress. Only an accusation.

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7 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

You sure about that? The girl was a campaign staffer. Unless I missed it there is no evidence that she was involved with anyone on her staff in Congress. Only an accusation.

Hill admitted to having an affair with a staffer which is a violation of House Ethics rules.

 

Eta: if she didn't violate House ethics rules, then she should've welcomed an investigation and stayed on until it was finished.

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4 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

Link? I can't find that.

Use Google. She admitted to having relations with her campaign staffer. That's against the House ethics. It's on her wiki page. I'm not sure what your looking for. She was also accused of having an affair with a male staffer. That one she denied.

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2 minutes ago, crackattack said:

Use Google. She admitted to having relations with her campaign staffer. That's against the House ethics. It's on her wiki page. I'm not sure what your looking for. She was also accused of having an affair with a male staffer. That one she denied.

I did use Google. I don't believe a campaign staffer is against House ethics rules. The male staffer she was accused of having a relationship with, with no evidence, was after she was sworn in.

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3 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

I did use Google. I don't believe a campaign staffer is against House ethics rules.

You're right. I was getting the two flipped. My fault. She got #metoo due to the "position of power". She should've waited for the ethics investigation to finish.

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5 minutes ago, crackattack said:

You're right. I was getting the two flipped. My fault. She got #metoo due to the "position of power". She should've waited for the ethics investigation to finish.

That's a fair point.

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14 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

I did use Google. I don't believe a campaign staffer is against House ethics rules. The male staffer she was accused of having a relationship with, with no evidence, was after she was sworn in.

In every HR manual in the U.S. it is considered unethical and inappropriate to have a sexual relationship with a subordinate.  The subordinate is not considered to be able to make a decision to have a consensual relationship because of the difference in power between the two people.  I mean, the CEO of McDonalds had to resign for this reason:

https://chicago.cbslocal.com/2019/11/03/mcdonalds-ceo-steps-down-admits-to-relationship-with-employee/

https://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2011/05/sex-between-superiors-and-subordinates-what-are-the-rules/239141/

What Katie Hill did was WRONG.  I can't believe you're trying to justify it.  She should have resigned.

 

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Did her campaign HR department discuss this with her? Was it in her employee manual?

I reserve "WRONG" for violence and predatory behavior. Stuff like that. Consensual sex between a candidate and a staffer... meh, not a great idea but hardly the end of the world.

The point is, she did not need to resign but did.

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8 hours ago, Apple Jack said:

Did her campaign HR department discuss this with her? Was it in her employee manual?

I reserve "WRONG" for violence and predatory behavior. Stuff like that. Consensual sex between a candidate and a staffer... meh, not a great idea but hardly the end of the world.

The point is, she did not need to resign but did.

Was it in her employee manual?  OMG Seriously.

I swear you guys sometimes.  

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4 hours ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Yeah, defending Katie Hill is not the right play here.  She had no business remaining in congress.

All I said was it was less egregious than sexual harassment. Which it is. And that she didn't have to resign, but she did.

My personal feeling is that it's not disqualifying, but I get why some feel it is but it's really lame that revenge porn was the only reason it came to light.

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2 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Sure 

Know a lot of Congressional campaigns with HR departments, do ya?

ETA: Forgive me, I find much about "HR" to be comical.

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6 minutes ago, supermike80 said:

Right.  No HR there.  Got it 

If you can show me somewhere that says no sex with staffers with her signature under it, you might be getting somewhere. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but suspect some House campaigns might not be run like a Deloitte project. Though plenty of sex going on in those too, I assure you.

ETA: But this is a moral tangent. I said I get why people have a problem with it and I get why she resigned. Just putting it in context. Cuomo is worse. And should have resigned after the pandemic coverup was exposed.

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2 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

If you can show me somewhere that says no sex with staffers with her signature under it, you might be getting somewhere. I'm not saying it doesn't exist, but suspect some House campaigns might not be run like a Deloitte project. Though plenty of sex going on in those too, I assure you.

So it was a joke but its really not a joke.  Ok dude.  So you're saying if something isn't expressly forbidden in an employee agreement its good to go.  Gotchs

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10 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

All I said was it was less egregious than sexual harassment. Which it is. And that she didn't have to resign, but she did.

My personal feeling is that it's not disqualifying, but I get why some feel it is but it's really lame that revenge porn was the only reason it came to light.

Don't have sex with people who report to you, and you won't have to worry about anybody showing up with receipts.  Katie Hill is not a victim in any sense of the word.  I'm glad she got what was coming to her.

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1 minute ago, IvanKaramazov said:

Don't have sex with people who report to you, and you won't have to worry about anybody showing up with receipts.  Katie Hill is not a victim in any sense of the word.  I'm glad she got what was coming to her.

Hey if it's not in the handbook apple says its ok.  

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Don't have sex with people who report to you, and you won't have to worry about anybody showing up with receipts.  Katie Hill is not a victim in any sense of the word.  I'm glad she got what was coming to her.

She absolutely was a victim. Forget the job, revenge porn of anyone is way out of bounds and nothing she did that has been made public was worthy of being subjected to that. People are uptight about sex, I get that. But this was private and leaking this stuff was monumentally petty and cruel. To say she wasn't a victim is bizarre.

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9 minutes ago, Apple Jack said:

She absolutely was a victim. Forget the job, revenge porn of anyone is way out of bounds and nothing she did that has been made public was worthy of being subjected to that. People are uptight about sex, I get that. But this was private and leaking this stuff was monumentally petty and cruel. To say she wasn't a victim is bizarre.

You should really reframe this away from "revenge porn" and toward "whistleblowing."  If Hill had been having sex with some random person, that would be one thing.  But she was actually having sex with somebody who depended on her for a paycheck.  That's rightly an automatic termination at my institution -- I personally know a person who was fired for exactly this sort of thing and there was nothing at all controversial about it.

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Just now, IvanKaramazov said:

You should really reframe this away from "revenge porn" and toward "whistleblowing."  If Hill had been having sex with some random person, that would be one thing.  But she was actually having sex with somebody who depended on her for a paycheck.  That's rightly an automatic termination at my institution -- we literally just fired somebody a few months ago for this.

You really think that was this guy's concern?

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