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A high functioning organization would have negotiated with Pittman offline. 

As things stand, Pittman's position undermines the stature of a QB who already has questions about his ability to lead.

Now if this was Randy Moss or some proven WR1 it would be one thing, but Pittman is one step removed from being a nobody.

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4 minutes ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

A high functioning organization would have negotiated with Pittman offline. 

As things stand, Pittman's position undermines the stature of a QB who already has questions about his ability to lead.

Now if this was Randy Moss or some proven WR1 it would be one thing, but Pittman is one step removed from being a nobody.

It is Pittman's number, so he has earned it.  I think it would be worse to make a player give up a number to the QB.  Wentz has no right to the number unless Pittman wants to give it to him.  Like I said, make Wentz pay for it, or keep it.  Wentz can choose another number.

Besides, #11 is a crappy number anyway.  Perhaps Wentz should be looking to shake things up with a new number with a new team.

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It just showed a lack of alpha dog on Chris Godwin's part when he gave up #12 to Tom Brady. You knew he was in for a second fiddle season when he did that.

:sarcasm:

Oh, does he have a ring now?

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Kind of a harsher reading headline than the way the conversation went...

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"Yeah, so I spoke to [Carson] and he was just seeing how locked in I was to No. 11, and I told him I was locked in -- and he was like, 'That's cool, bro, because I'm probably gonna switch anyway,'" Pittman told TMZ Sports. "... He asked me very respectfully, and I just appreciated him for that. I think he's a great dude, because lots of guys with his status, they would come in and demand and stuff like that."

 

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It is not like #11 has historic value of a HOF type career for Wentz.   Has Wentz just taken 10 or 12 hardly anyone would have noticed.   Wentz needs a fresh start with a new number.   But somehow I think a 50-100K check cut to Pittman would get #11 back if he wants it bad enough.  

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1 hour ago, Da Guru said:

It is not like #11 has historic value of a HOF type career for Wentz.  

#11 has not historic value for Pittman either, he just picked that number last year. It has no significant meaning to him other then that was his jersey number his rookie season.

This is a nothingburger of a story and I'm not  lowering PIttman's value, that would be laughable, but this does show a little immaturity to me. Other then placating your new QB, Wentz would have paid him something. Just thought it was a bit of a odd bow up by Pittman.

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I had to edit to put a ***not*** lowering his value.
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5 minutes ago, menobrown said:

#11 has not historic value for Pittman either, he just picked that number last year. It has not significant meaning to him other then that was his jersey number his rookie season.

This is a nothingburger of a story and I'm lowering PIttman's value, that would be laughable, but this does show a little immaturity to me. Other then placating your new QB, Wentz would have paid him something. Just thought it was a bit of a odd bow up by Pittman.

50-50 Wentz will be wearing 11 when season starts.  That is if he wants it.

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If you put a gun to my head 2 weeks ago, I am not sure I would have come up with that Wentz was #11 in Philly.

Way too much is made about numbers.  Wentz is not Tom Brady or an iconic NFL star.  Pick a different number and play.

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3 hours ago, SeniorVBDStudent said:

A high functioning organization would have negotiated with Pittman offline. 

As things stand, Pittman's position undermines the stature of a QB who already has questions about his ability to lead.

Now if this was Randy Moss or some proven WR1 it would be one thing, but Pittman is one step removed from being a nobody.

especially considering:

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Pittman wore No. 6 in college at USC, then started his Colts career with No. 86 before settling on No. 11.

 

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48 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

especially considering:

 

It is irrelevant what Pittman wore in college.  He chose #11 with the Colts (eventually), so that is all that matters.  If he isn't willing to give it up to the damn QB why does it matter?

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9 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

It is irrelevant what Pittman wore in college.  He chose #11 with the Colts (eventually), so that is all that matters.  If he isn't willing to give it up to the damn QB why does it matter?

If Wentz wants it, let's see how much he will pay for it.  Wentz makes considerably more than Pittman, so he should be willing to throw some schillings Pittman's way for #11.

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24 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

It is irrelevant what Pittman wore in college.  He chose #11 with the Colts (eventually), so that is all that matters.  If he isn't willing to give it up to the damn QB why does it matter?

I don’t give a #### either way. I was just adding to what some one else said.

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I couldn't care less....but.....obviously Wentz wanted it or he wouldn't have asked.....if Pittman gave it to him, he would be wearing it....and not "probably going to switch anyway"......Wentz doesn't have enough street cred built up and what he did have just took a little bit of a hit...he kind of got "put in his place" so to speak in a small way.....its a small meaningless thing on the outside, but sometimes little things like this bug guys in their dome and it kinda sends a message.....not sure what that message is exactly, but the optics feel a little awkward....

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32 minutes ago, Stinkin Ref said:

I could care less....but.....obviously Wentz wanted it or he wouldn't have asked.....if Pittman gave it to him, he would be wearing it....and not "probably going to switch anyway"......Wentz doesn't have enough street cred built up and what he did have just took a little bit of a hit...he kind of got "put in his place" so to speak in a small way.....its a small meaningless thing on the outside, but sometimes little things like this bug guys in their dome and it kinda sends a message.....not sure what that message is exactly, but the optics feel a little awkward....

So you could care less?  People always get that one wrong.  It's couldn't care less.

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7 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/30946114/indianapolis-colts-wr-michael-pittman-jr-says-give-no-11-carson-wentz

Good for him.  At the very least negotiate and make him pay through the nose.

Agree 100% 

Wentz is making like 25M? Pittman making $1M? Sell it to him for a cool $1M and call it a day. 

 

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5 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Another number I don't like for a QB is #2. You are basically telling the defense that you can be sacked for a safety.

It is also slang for poop. I'm just sayin.

Wasn't Jamarcus #2?  

(he played like #2 anyway)

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1 hour ago, mcd said:

Pittman will change his tune around week 4 or 5 when he is 8th in targets on his own team, and Wentz isn't even looking his direction.

Alternatively he could be #1 in targets when Wentz is benched for being terrible. I'm just sayin - I am also making the assumption that Wentz is fixable, but that's not a guarantee. 

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25 minutes ago, Leroy Hoard said:

Another number I don't like for a QB is #2. You are basically telling the defense that you can be sacked for a safety.

Remember Sonny Sixkiller?  (#6) Native American QB for Washington.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sonny_Sixkiller

https://www.google.com/search?q=sonny+6+killer&newwindow=1&sxsrf=ALeKk02se1i_ga3mIni-NhxOr2jKINA3xg:1614122016036&tbm=isch&source=iu&ictx=1&fir=NTqnV6x0bJNTiM%2Cq-pADb2rFGxDIM%2C_&vet=1&usg=AI4_-kSR03Faxbl9P_2d1WcaJs-NN47ruw&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjH8o6LkYHvAhXBJzQIHariA8cQ_h16BAgmEAE#imgrc=NTqnV6x0bJNTiM

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7 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Kind of a harsher reading headline than the way the conversation went...

 

I was going to link to this in the Eagles thread yesterday when they were saying that Wentz was whining about it but decided it wasn’t worth it

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3 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

@socratessummed it pretty well.

Yes. I basically agree that it’s up to Pittman. I posted that in relation to some one who said that Pittman should show deference to the new team leader. I was just showing that it’s not like Pittman is even attached to the number. Honestly don’t care about the “story” (and yet I’ve posted in this thread 3 times now 😃)

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2 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

So you could care less?  People always get that one wrong.  It's couldn't care less.

After... All... This... "couldn't care less" is the part you grammar nazi about?

You're worse than Wentz

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4 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

So you could care less?  People always get that one wrong.  It's couldn't care less.

After a few games of wentz you aren't going to care less about him either

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13 hours ago, Edgar said:

It’s an awkward start to Wentz’s tenure. It suggests the player(s) don’t respect him 

Nah - c'mon. There is a tested and true tradition of players selling jersey numbers to incoming players. What would be disrespectful is for Wentz to come in at 25M a year & try to bully or bigtime a WR making 1M for a jersey number without compensating them. 

This has happened dozens of times on dozens of teams and with players WAY BETTER THAN SCRUB BUM Carson Wentz. 

Stop makin a mountain out of a molehill. This is a common occurrence and a bored sports news media trolling everyone like it's a big deal. It's not. Don't take that bait. 

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15 hours ago, DallasDMac said:

Grown men arguing over a number on a shirt in general accomplishes this.

Counterpoint: supply & demand economics.  Pittman has it, Wentz wants it. What could be more mature than a simple business transaction to settle the matter? Not like Wentz went to Pittman's house and punched him in the face in front of his wife & kids. :shrug:

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Nah - c'mon. There is a tested and true tradition of players selling jersey numbers to incoming players. What would be disrespectful is for Wentz to come in at 25M a year & try to bully or bigtime a WR making 1M for a jersey number without compensating them. 

This has happened dozens of times on dozens of teams and with players WAY BETTER THAN SCRUB BUM Carson Wentz. 

Stop makin a mountain out of a molehill. This is a common occurrence and a bored sports news media trolling everyone like it's a big deal. It's not. Don't take that bait. 

When Peyton went to Denver, they literally unretired a number to make him more comfortable. 

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8 minutes ago, Edgar said:

When Peyton went to Denver, they literally unretired a number to make him more comfortable. 

Peyton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wentz

And un-retiring a number is vastly different than taking a number right off the back of a current player. 

Wentz is a 1/2 season’s bad TD:INT ratio from the CFL.

Peyton was a HOF lock by then, and these two circumstances are not remotely the same.

c’mon
 

 

 

 

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2 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Peyton >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Wentz

And un-retiring a number is vastly different than taking a number right off the back of a current player. 

Wentz is a 1/2 season’s bad TD:INT ratio from the CFL.

Peyton was a HOF lock by then, and these two circumstances are not remotely the same.

c’mon
 

 

 

 

Okay? A more relaxed mindset sees Pittman is in a unique situation. He can either: A: give it up and have Wentz like him immediately. B: make him pay, and he likes Pittman less. C : Pittman can hold the asset forever, and Wentz likes him the least. Jersey numbers usually go for what, $10,000? That's peanuts to start a relationship off on the wrong foot, with the guy who your fate is intertwined with. Pittman has decided he's gonna take the B or C approach.

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1 hour ago, Edgar said:

Okay? A more relaxed mindset sees Pittman is in a unique situation. He can either: A: give it up and have Wentz like him immediately. B: make him pay, and he likes Pittman less. C : Pittman can hold the asset forever, and Wentz likes him the least. Jersey numbers usually go for what, $10,000? That's peanuts to start a relationship off on the wrong foot, with the guy who your fate is intertwined with. Pittman has decided he's gonna take the B or C approach.

Seems like you're assuming an awful lot about what Carson Wentz will like or dislike about Pittman regarding this jersey number. 

Wentz might lose respect for Pittman if he sucks up to him with a free hand-off of the jersey number. Yes, that's complete speculation - just like literally every scenario in your post. 

And to your point that $10K is "peanuts", then Wentz should immediately offer it since he's the one who makes $25M a year compared to Pittman's $1M a year.

IMO you're way off the mark here. Pittman has the # now. Wentz wants it. Pittman is the guy who's already part of the team. Wentz is the maybe too broken to fix QB acquired for a couple second rounders in a "hope we can fix him!" situation.

As such, the onus is not on Pittman, but on Wentz to put forth an offer to acquire the number.  

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32 minutes ago, JPPT1974 said:

Wentz will probably make him an offer Pittman can't refuse. To borrow from the Godfather!

IMO that is the appropriate move. I was kidding about the 1M above, but $10-30K wouldn't be outrageous. Maybe make him take the whole WR corps to dinner too or something. Dude's making 25M. He can afford it. 

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