Jayrod
Footballguy
Including his ABA years, he is an absolute 1st rounder in this draft. Before Bird and Magic, there was Dr. J.
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wikkidpissah
Footballguy
#22 a decade ago, at his recency-bias nadir. good to see him regaining respect
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
yeah, careerism is always what pisses me off in alltime sportsdrafts (or HOFs). guys who had 2-3 year peaks (whether due to injury or not) lightyears ahead of mediocrities who get picked ahead of em cuz they stuck around forever. George Foster Syndrome, i call it.
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Yo Mama
Footballguy
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
scoobus
Footballguy
I may have taken him there in this draft as well if I was in that spot, definitely appear to be higher on him than others.
Jayrod
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
Have we sort of re-assessed his career a bit over the last 10 years? Or did the house screw up today by not taking Shaq ahead of Olajuwon?
My three were Bird, Duncan & Shaq after pick 6 was complete. This was the debate for me when I took Duncan after Bird was taken.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
he chose when he used it and how he used it. what he had to use was probably right there with LBJ & Wilt. beautiful feet for such a freak & on his hip was the worst place to be in the history of ball. he'd be feeding teeth to the most-imposing current-day big men if he chose to. his memory will also suffer the more spread the game gets.
ETA: if i were forming a team, i'd take Hakeem. if our children had guns to their head on the sideline by thugs who'd bet the game, Shaq Daddy.
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Jayrod
Footballguy
Bogart
Footballguy
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Frostillicus
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
argh, we should make a rule that no more SIxers can be picked between now and pick 32. I was thinking of even trading down to get Dr. J around 10, absolutely love the guy.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
*robot voice* "must move draft to Planet LOVETRON"
modogg
Footballguy
Simmons blows. https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/larry-bird-and-dr-j-fought-it-out-garden-35-years-ago-today
My man should have ended Bird's career a few years earlier with a body slam through the announcer's table
. Needed a little more Mahorn and Laimbeer magic for that
trader jake
Footballguy
To ignore the ABA seems like an odd omission for that 2010 draft. If interested, the book 'Loose Balls' by Terry Pluto is a great read about that league.
Hell yeah he would.
To land Larry Bird at 1.09 when Bill has him at #6 in his pantheon is just good value with the franchise players here.Just another reason why Larry Bird is the man. The Celtics were defending champions and that fight with Dr. J occurred after, "Bird had torched Erving and the Sixers for 42 points in 30 minutes (Dr. J had been held to six points) when an offensive foul call on Bird led to a scuffle that saw the benches empty and the two stars throw down." So, basically, Bird was kicking Dr. J's ### and he didn't like it.Simmons blows. https://www.nbcsports.com/boston/celtics/larry-bird-and-dr-j-fought-it-out-garden-35-years-ago-today
My man should have ended Bird's career a few years earlier with a body slam through the announcer's table
BTW - The Celtics also won that game 130-119. 
timschochet
Footballguy
Shaq is the steal of the draft thus far. I think he’s top 5 for this draft.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Everyone’s on board the draft jet, we’ve taken off at an incredible pace, we’re all buckling in for a long trip.
Me sitting in the 16th spot
Me sitting in the 16th spot
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Jayrod
Footballguy
Perfect!!
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Jayrod
Footballguy
I had as well. He may not get email notifications or is stuck at work or he may be passed out drunk or even high as a kite right now. Either way, I hope he is OK.
wikkidpissah
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
1.15 Jerry West, G, 60s
The Logo. West made 14 All-Star teams in each his 14 years, 12 All-NBA teams (10 first team) - only missing out on in his first and last seasons, and the All-Defense team every year from it's inception to his second to last season. If not for Bill Russell and the Celtics being possibly the best dynasty in modern sports, we might remember Jerry West as a top 5-6 player rather than somebody on the fringe of the top 12.
Sorry for the delay - you all moved a lot quicker than I thought and I was out of the office for half the day.
@Yo Mama
The Logo. West made 14 All-Star teams in each his 14 years, 12 All-NBA teams (10 first team) - only missing out on in his first and last seasons, and the All-Defense team every year from it's inception to his second to last season. If not for Bill Russell and the Celtics being possibly the best dynasty in modern sports, we might remember Jerry West as a top 5-6 player rather than somebody on the fringe of the top 12.
Sorry for the delay - you all moved a lot quicker than I thought and I was out of the office for half the day.
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rockaction
Footballguy
I'm gonna chirp from courtside. I was shocked he didn't go second. The others all have great cases, but damn...we're talking about greatness and longevity to boot, plus playing with athletes as big, fast, and as crazily athletic as the ones today, ones that span almost two generations while LeBron still LeBrons and is still, amazingly, one of the best at it by all accounts.Frostillicus said:
The King.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Damn. I had some tiny shred of hope that he’d end up with me and I’d just lock up a decade.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Nope, was hoping he’d be one of my two picks. Now I have to figure out what to do with my second pick.
Just finished up a meeting, picks coming.
Kev4029
Footballguy
I'm not necessarily surprised that he wasn't #2, although that is definitely where I would have taken him, I'm blown away he dropped to #6. The only argument I could really make not to take him ahead of Wilt and Russell is that in this format there are a lot of really good players from the 10s whereas the the 60s are very shallow. I don't think there is a real argument to make for Magic or Kareem (especially since Kareem's longevity is a bit diluted in this format).
Kev4029
Footballguy
I was a bit surprised to seem him still standing. I probably would have preferred to take somebody more relevant to my BB watching days, but I think there is a fairly significant gap between West and the remaining more modern guys. I was hoping Shaq or Duncan was going to fall.
Yo Mama
Footballguy
Ok time for the easy pick. Yo Mama selects:
1.16 - Moses Malone - 70s C
“Chairman of the Boards”
The last of my top tier big men (1a Wilt/Kareem, 1b Shaq/Hakeem/Moses), and I need to take one here before the 100 picks between my next turn. Criminally underrated in the all-time discussions. He could fit well in either the 70s or 80s, so I’ll start with him in the earlier decade for now.
Including ABA stats, Moses has 29,580 points (9th all time) and 17,834 rebounds (3rd all time). His career averages are excellent, but still lowered by his last number of years. In a 10 year peak from the mid 70s to mid 80s, Malone averaged 25.1 ppg, 14.2 rpg, 0.9 spg, and 1.5 bpg.
1x Champ and Finals MVP
3x NBA MVP
8x All-NBA
12x NBA all-star, 1x ABA all-star
Led NBA in rebounding 6 times
Now for my harder decision.
1.16 - Moses Malone - 70s C
“Chairman of the Boards”
The last of my top tier big men (1a Wilt/Kareem, 1b Shaq/Hakeem/Moses), and I need to take one here before the 100 picks between my next turn. Criminally underrated in the all-time discussions. He could fit well in either the 70s or 80s, so I’ll start with him in the earlier decade for now.
Including ABA stats, Moses has 29,580 points (9th all time) and 17,834 rebounds (3rd all time). His career averages are excellent, but still lowered by his last number of years. In a 10 year peak from the mid 70s to mid 80s, Malone averaged 25.1 ppg, 14.2 rpg, 0.9 spg, and 1.5 bpg.
1x Champ and Finals MVP
3x NBA MVP
8x All-NBA
12x NBA all-star, 1x ABA all-star
Led NBA in rebounding 6 times
Now for my harder decision.
rockaction
Footballguy
Heh. I should have been clearer. Shocked is just my way of registering my affirmation for the pick at six and I really wasn't all that surprised that he fell. It's really just by way of a lack of better expression. As soon as I saw Wilt, I thought, "Yeah, definitely could see that given the rules of the draft where you're drafting decades, too." Magic, Russ, Kareem. All worthy of all-time greatness. And I'm a casual basketball fan, too. When people are really into something, they tend to make picks that surprise the casual observer. Cool draft. Wish I knew I more and could participate.
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Yo Mama
Footballguy
A few different ways I can go here, but I’ll go with an older player since I’m not as solid with those guys. Yo Mama selects:
2.01 - Elgin Baylor, 60s SF
The Michael Jordan of the 60s. Such an amazing player and athlete who did things on the court no one else could. It’s a shame there isn’t more footage to highlight his greatness.
10x All-NBA (all first team)
11x All-Star
Appeared in 8 NBA Finals
Career averages of 27.4 ppg (with no 3s), 13.5 rpg, and 4.3 apg
@Kev4029
2.01 - Elgin Baylor, 60s SF
The Michael Jordan of the 60s. Such an amazing player and athlete who did things on the court no one else could. It’s a shame there isn’t more footage to highlight his greatness.
10x All-NBA (all first team)
11x All-Star
Appeared in 8 NBA Finals
Career averages of 27.4 ppg (with no 3s), 13.5 rpg, and 4.3 apg
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Jayrod
Footballguy
I took Moses 10th overall 10 years ago. One of the most underrated players in NBA history. He won three MVP awards around the time of Kareem, Bird and Magic.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Kev4029
Footballguy
2.02 Karl Malone, PF, 90s
First, Malone is a total turd of a human and I have no respect for the dude, but this is all for pretendsies. Malone was very arguably the second best player in the 90s, making First Team All-NBA for every year of the decade, plus a couple MVPS, and averaged 27.2 points, 10.7 rebounds and 3.7 assists for the decade while missing a total of three games over those 10 seasons. Probably not an all-time defender, but certainly a plus (4 All-Defense teams). He is 2nd all time in points, 3rd in rebounds, 12th in steals.
Baylor and M Malone would have both been my pick here if they weren't taken...
@scoobus
First, Malone is a total turd of a human and I have no respect for the dude, but this is all for pretendsies. Malone was very arguably the second best player in the 90s, making First Team All-NBA for every year of the decade, plus a couple MVPS, and averaged 27.2 points, 10.7 rebounds and 3.7 assists for the decade while missing a total of three games over those 10 seasons. Probably not an all-time defender, but certainly a plus (4 All-Defense teams). He is 2nd all time in points, 3rd in rebounds, 12th in steals.
Baylor and M Malone would have both been my pick here if they weren't taken...
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Yo Mama
Footballguy
He was one of two guys I was thinking about taking instead of Baylor, but I just couldn’t stomach it.
modogg
Footballguy
yeah i never watched the whole game, but heard the whole story about the altercation. Of course that was when Dr. J was at the tail end of his career and had been in the NBA for like 18 years or so i think. Cue the '83 Sixers and we see a totally different storyTo ignore the ABA seems like an odd omission for that 2010 draft. If interested, the book 'Loose Balls' by Terry Pluto is a great read about that league.
Hell yeah he would.
Just another reason why Larry Bird is the man. The Celtics were defending champions and that fight with Dr. J occurred after, "Bird had torched Erving and the Sixers for 42 points in 30 minutes (Dr. J had been held to six points) when an offensive foul call on Bird led to a scuffle that saw the benches empty and the two stars throw down." So, basically, Bird was kicking Dr. J's ### and he didn't like it.
Frostillicus
Footballguy
Anyone have a link to that old draft?
Yo Mama
Footballguy
modogg
Footballguy
Good call asking for it. Brings a question I was wondering about to mind.
when judging occurs are we planning on how the team would look for an entire year or are we looking at how a player was throughout that decade. I saw Derrick rose go in like the 9th or 10th round and thought that was really high for him considering he has been injured for a long time. But if we are taking him for just one year near his peak, might be worth it
scoobus
Footballguy
2.03 Kevin Garnett, PF, 00s I think
Trying reallllly hard not to take any 10s guys, as that's where most of my knowledge is. KG is one of, if not the, the fiercest competitors and best defensive players of all time. Maybe one of the most underrated guys of all-time too by some, just landed in an awful situation in Minnesota for a majority of his career. Even though I don't like the Celtics, was happy to see him win one, he deserved it. Honestly think if him and Duncan had been put in opposite situations to start their careers you'd be seeing Garnett over Duncan in the all-time ranks, that's how close I think they were.
Trying reallllly hard not to take any 10s guys, as that's where most of my knowledge is. KG is one of, if not the, the fiercest competitors and best defensive players of all time. Maybe one of the most underrated guys of all-time too by some, just landed in an awful situation in Minnesota for a majority of his career. Even though I don't like the Celtics, was happy to see him win one, he deserved it. Honestly think if him and Duncan had been put in opposite situations to start their careers you'd be seeing Garnett over Duncan in the all-time ranks, that's how close I think they were.
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