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12. 12 John Wall PG 10s

5x All Star, 1x All NBA, 1x All Defense 

Incredible quickness and ball control, one of the fastest players the league has seen and a skilled passer. Ultra aggressive. I think Wall,  Paul and Zeke have been the only other players to average 18/10/4/2 in a season. 

Would have been picked a few rounds earlier IMO if he hadn't lost the last bit of his prime to injuries. Don't look now though, he's been playing a lot and stuff the stat sheet since February. It will be interesting to see him at end of the draft. Will be he slowed by injury more or will he emerge as a comeback player of the year?

 
Ilov80s said:
12. 12 John Wall PG 10s

5x All Star, 1x All NBA, 1x All Defense 

Incredible quickness and ball control, one of the fastest players the league has seen and a skilled passer. Ultra aggressive. I think Wall,  Paul and Zeke have been the only other players to average 18/10/4/2 in a season. 

Would have been picked a few rounds earlier IMO if he hadn't lost the last bit of his prime to injuries. Don't look now though, he's been playing a lot and stuff the stat sheet since February. It will be interesting to see him at end of the draft. Will be he slowed by injury more or will he emerge as a comeback player of the year?
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He's still playing very well. It's too bad he got thrown into the Harden trade mess and now he's on a losing squad instead of helping the Wizards make a playoff push with Beal.

 
12.14 Arvydas Sabonis C 90s

Most of the richest people in Australia are in satellite communications. Without satellites, they wouldnt get no media Down Under, so they were on it early.

35 years ago, i was at the Super Bowl of Poker (the only other big tourney besides WSOP then) in Lake Tahoe and a guy, who i understand is now worth 11 figures, was pitching broadcasts of Australian sports and horse racing to the race/sportsbook mgr. To humor this guy (who was seriously spreading it around at the tables), he got a few of us interested in making bets on the horse racing (somehow they had Racing Forms for it) paying racetrack odds though not in on the tote. I hit a coupla races, guys started talking about it, even Stuie Ungar (greatest gamesman of all time) came down from his cloud of crack smoke to play it.

Harrah's bought the signal/network and booked it in Tahoe and Reno for about a year, mostly cuz action (sports and race) didnt start til about 10pm PST and there was no other action that time o' day. I got pretty good at it because they'd switch courses every weekend and they were all different shaped but i mapped & matched em. 

What does this have to do with Sabonis? The filler on the network was international sports, live & recorded, and allowed me to be one of the very few Americans to see Arvydas Sabonis in action before he blew his Achilles. Bill Walton meets Nikola Jokic, but with foot speed. Remarkable.

The doctor who examined Sabonis when he signed w the Trailblazers 7-8 yrs later said his Xrays qualified him for handicapped parking, yet he made an AllStar team and Portland a factor in the playoffs more than once. Gotta have him.

@timschochet

 
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i hate this part of the draft. literally 6 of the 8 guys i had went right before i go. give me a few minutes

 
The draft is getting fun now as I look specifically for players who will best compliment my existing rosters.

On the downside, I'll probably punt on the 60s team as I'll only be drafting crude stats and possibly a youube clip - except for Jerry Lucas.  That man was a beast.

 
Really wanted to grab Sabonis, so bummed at what's left. It's pretty crazy looking at all of these stats. I see some numbers jump off the page and want to grab a guy, then looking at what they actually do per minute, etc. makes a world of difference. I had some good picks here too, but here is this bum:

Derrick Coleman, 90s C

        Decision came down to not wasting MJ's career. Looking at Jordan's career and who he had at Center, i think we can try this option. there is a pretty big drop in centers for the 90s with the one's taken in the 90s and 2000s here. Missing out on Sabonis there are only a few left that can be respectable and i think i need to pull the trigger now.  DC was a bit of a PF/C so we will have a little trouble matching up with the big boys.

But all in all DC played in the era with big boys and basically averaged 20 and 10 going against the big guy for a lot of match-ups. I think he can play well with Stockton too if needed with some Pick and Roll, etc. so the more i look into it i actually think he may be a better fit then some of the other guys deemed as better in the 90s at C. 

 
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Frostillicus said:
@wikkidpissah you have both Ewing and Sabonis both as 90s centers. I respect a twin towers approach but I'm not sure these guys had 1.5 working knees combined. 
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yeah, didn't know we could draft like that either. would have liked to do Embiid and Jokic with 1 perimeter D guy and 2 shooters. pretty sure they could compete with every team and win most

 
Frostillicus said:
@wikkidpissah you have both Ewing and Sabonis both as 90s centers. I respect a twin towers approach but I'm not sure these guys had 1.5 working knees combined. 
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had Ewing in my notebook as 80s for some reason, though 90s were his best decade. he qualifies there, put him there if you would. if anyone punishes a player for their decade, they dont understand what most of us are trying to do. thx for picking that up

 
modogg said:
yeah, didn't know we could draft like that either. would have liked to do Embiid and Jokic with 1 perimeter D guy and 2 shooters. pretty sure they could compete with every team and win most
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You can put whomever you want wherever you want, but rest assured a Ewing/Sabonis combo would have been punished just an Embiid/Jokic would. 

 
Looking at my guys, i think i will move Bosh to my 2000s Center too. He had better stats throughout the 2000s, and better numbers overall. of course he won the championship in the 2010s, but he was 3rd fiddle on that team. His run in the 2000s shows better potential and ability to play

and lol, doing that just wastes the last 25 minutes of me checking out the centers of the 90s and 2000s

 
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scoobus said:
Hey just wanted to say thanks to Yo Mama and anyone else helping out with the draft and googledoc during the day.  Can't really access anything at work to help enter names in, so those filling in the picks and the teams tab have been awesome.
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You're welcome. (now leave Wes Johnson for me)

 
Frostillicus said:
You can put whomever you want wherever you want, but rest assured a Ewing/Sabonis combo would have been punished just an Embiid/Jokic would. 
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no. never intended em to be together. clerical error, but one that's addressed by the decade change for Pat

ETA: actually, if international play was counted, Sabonis 80s/Ewing 90s would be prime use. oh, well...

 
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Mister CIA said:
Need any help with your next pick?
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nope. just thinking which of 2 guys i want thinking of who might be around by the time i pick again. Rolling the dice with...

13.1   World B. Free   80s  SG

Career averages: 20.3 points, 2.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1 steal

Free was the prototypical combo guard before Allen Iverson took it two levels higher. He was drafted in 1975, but did the majority of his work in the1980s. It’s tragic that he only made the All Star game once. 

@timschochet

@Jayrod

@wikkidpissah

 
modogg said:
nope. just thinking which of 2 guys i want thinking of who might be around by the time i pick again. Rolling the dice with...

13.1   World B. Free   80s  SG

Career averages: 20.3 points, 2.7 rebounds, 3.7 assists, 1 steal

Free was the prototypical combo guard before Allen Iverson took it two levels higher. He was drafted in 1975, but did the majority of his work in the1980s. It’s tragic that he only made the All Star game once. 

@timschochet

@Jayrod

@wikkidpissah
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Great pick.  He was on my Zebra pen scratchpad, though without bold circles around his name.

 
Jayrod said:
I'm here, so I'll make my own pick after wikkid.

Reffed a crappy girls game tonight.  Was supposed to be 2 top 5 teams in the state and ended up 27-40.  The losing team scored 3 pts in the 2nd quarter.  :yucky:
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I've probably mentioned this before, but in hindsight one of the funniest moments of my life was playing on a 7th grade basketball team in podunk West Texas where the final score was 8-7 (I think we won?).  To my credit, I took a shot and missed.

ETA: I was only passing through WT at the time.  Sad to say there is no other game to wax upon.

 
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13.03 Len Bia......i mean, Reggie Lewis SF 90s

i know what Auerbach went thru. i had such lifeluck in my first 20 yrs of adulthood that y'all call me the Forrest Gump of the FFA, then i watched my brilliant, beautiful wife rot from cancer for 2 yrs before dying just past her 40th b'day (25 yrs ago next month), had my own health disqualify me from my chosen profession and got stuck raising two parents i never liked to their graves for what looks to be a decade before its done.

no one in sports, not even Belichick, had a Midas Touch like ol' Red. Heinsohn/Russell same draft due to odd set of early draft rules, milking two championships out of the 70s with a midget and a Methuselah, drafting Bird a yr early on another technicality, getting McHale/Parrish for a player wont be drafted for another 14 rounds.

then he's about to add the sweetest forward talent since Bird to what's generally considered the best Celtics team of all time ('86) and snffffffffffffffffffffffft,...gone, then finds Paul Pierce b4 Paul Pierce in Reggie Lewis (go Northeastern, the college on the street i grew up on!) and his heart explodes; gets to find out precisely what kind of load Pitino actually is, loses the shake with three lottery pix (inc last place) on Tim Duncan.

This kid had a beautiful game and, like Pauls Pierce & George in their first 5 seasons, added a big piece every year. damn shame...

@Jayrod

 
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I rechecked everything and I'm just going with the guy I thought I wanted before my last pick:

13.4 - Jo Jo White, PG 70s

The aforementioned "midget" in wikkid's post above.  He led the Celtics to 2 titles in the 70's, winning finals MVP once.  He was a 7x all-star, 2x all-NBA and a hall of famer.  Averaged 17.2 pts, 4.9 asts & 4.0 rbs over his 12 year career.

He'll be a nice complement to my stellar front court of Kareem and Haywood.

 
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Jayrod said:
I rechecked everything and I'm just going with the guy I thought I wanted before my last pick:

13.4 - Jo Jo White, PG 70s

The aforementioned "midget" in wikkid's post above.  He led the Celtics to 2 titles in the 70's, winning finals MVP once.  He was a 7x all-star, 2x all-NBA and a hall of famer.  Averaged 17.2 pts, 4.9 asts & 4.0 rbs over his 12 year career.

He'll be a nice complement to my stellar front court of Kareem and Haywood.
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Damn had him queued up.

 
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