BoltBacker
Footballguy
Ah, I didn't realize that. And it's good to hear they are being vaccinated at a much higher rate! That makes sense.
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Caught SC's gem of a post that BB quoted. Just a quick reply -
No - people don't feel safe as you walk around with your dirty ### mask half on your face. It's not like people don't notice. All that you are accomplishing is letting people know you don't care enough about their health to take 30secs out of your day to wash a mask or make sure it's over your mouth and nose.
No - people don't feel safe as you walk around with your dirty ### mask half on your face. It's not like people don't notice. All that you are accomplishing is letting people know you don't care enough about their health to take 30secs out of your day to wash a mask or make sure it's over your mouth and nose.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
What's wrong with it?tonydead said:
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dawgtrails
Footballguy
No one is arguing that we wear them forever now though. Sure, some are advocating that maybe we should wear them if we are symptomatic with the flu as a common courtesy to others. And if we all did in fact wear them in the first few months and followed strict distancing guidelines, we could have been out of this without the vaccine (would have taken more than two or three months though)
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
The impact of this disease (and all transmissible diseases really) is completely regional. Should subway riders in NYC consider wearing masks during flu/Covid season? Sure, and it can't hurt. Should someone in Montana, Idaho or South Dakota who barely comes into contact with anyone, and when they do it's with one or two other people, should they need to consider wearing masks? Probably not, they're not going to get it or give it to others. People should do what is best in their region, and the government can help by providing facts and guidance. No need for mandates, particularly once these vaccination rates climb.
The tough guy attitude towards NPIs is ridiculous though. It's like a race to see who's the coolest. "I never wore a mask!". "Oh yeah, I never even looked at a mask!" "Oh yeah, well I never even washed my hands!". C'mon. Before there were vaccines we had to do what we had to do. If we had to do it again I would recommend we would take a more targeted regional approach.
The tough guy attitude towards NPIs is ridiculous though. It's like a race to see who's the coolest. "I never wore a mask!". "Oh yeah, I never even looked at a mask!" "Oh yeah, well I never even washed my hands!". C'mon. Before there were vaccines we had to do what we had to do. If we had to do it again I would recommend we would take a more targeted regional approach.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
With this important caveatI was just asked 20 minutes ago what would be wrong with wearing masks forever.
I’m not talking at all times or situations, but would it be ridiculous to suggest widespread mask wearing during flu season (or when flu prevalence exceeds a threshold in your community) for example?
The Commish
Footballguy
It's almost like the "discussion" isn't genuine or in good faith 
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Sorry, I disregarded the "forever" nonsense and was more addressing the common sense use of masks for allergens and cold/flu season by those who chose to wear them. No laws or anything like that.I was just asked 20 minutes ago what would be wrong with wearing masks forever.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Dude used to at least be an entertaining troll. Seems a few of our friends here have gone well round the bend recently.It's almost like the "discussion" isn't genuine or in good faith
Stealthycat
Footballguy
amazing - you can tell a dirty mask from a clean one at a glance ?KarmaPolice said:
truly amazing !
The CDC has admitted face masks do little to prevent the spread of COVID-19 amid mounting pressure to lift mask mandates across the U.S. In a new study, the CDC found face masks had a negligible impact on coronavirus numbers that didn’t exceed statistical margins of error.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
troll is name calling - ask Joe Bryant if I'm a "troll" - I live in the same town as him, our kids go to the same school etc
I discuss and read and exchange ideas etc and sometimes I'm wrong and often I reflect on my views on things. This mask thing .... again, look at the graphs. Between July last year and end of December when everyone was mask mandated - did covid infections go DOWN or UP ?
its a simple stat to see - covid numbers SOARED
now, some people thinks it'd have been worse - but there is no proof of that only guessing and there are a lot of factors involved as well ....
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Stealthycat
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Stealthycat
Footballguy
so how effective is mask wearing ? 50% ? 80% ? 20% ?
I mean it has to be significant right ? from that link
During March 1–December 31, 2020, state-issued mask mandates applied in 2,313 (73.6%) of the 3,142 U.S. counties. Mask mandates were associated with a 0.5 percentage point decrease (p = 0.02) in daily COVID-19 case growth rates 1–20 days after implementation and decreases of 1.1, 1.5, 1.7, and 1.8 percentage points 21–40, 41–60, 61–80, and 81–100 days, respectively, after implementation (p<0.01 for all) (Table 1) (Figure).
During the study period, states allowed restaurants to reopen for on-premises dining in 3,076 (97.9%) U.S. counties. Changes in daily COVID-19 case and death growth rates were not statistically significant 1–20 and 21–40 days after restrictions were lifted.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Seems you got this from OAN. And that is one terribly misleading title. Here is the summary of the study.
Mandating masks was associated with a decrease in daily COVID-19 case and death growth rates within 20 days of implementation. Allowing on-premises restaurant dining was associated with an increase in daily COVID-19 case growth rates 41–100 days after implementation and an increase in daily death growth rates 61–100 days after implementation.
Stealthycat
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
Nope. I support a targeted regional approach, without any national mandates of any kind. People should do what is best in their region, and the government can help by providing facts and guidance. And if we had it to do over again a regional approach is how it should be handled. The subways of NYC aren't the same as the wide open spaces of Wyoming, for example.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
There is also a distinction to be made between a mandate and following their suggestions as to proper care and use and people like SC purposely rocking dirty masks that don't fit.
NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Redwes25
Footballguy
I haven't given this much thought but it is an interesting question. As somone who used to ride the subway every single day but hasn't been on it in about a year I wonder what the new normal will be like.
My guess is when I start needing to head into the office again regularly that I will wear a mask on the subway every day. I figure it protects me from the flu and helps protect others in a very crowded environment. I have gotten very used to wearing a mask anytime I am out of my house and it honestly doesn't bug me at all. I don't get the general resistance to it either I see in this thread and elsewhere.
Of course, I still don't know when I will head into the office every day again but imagine it is the fall at the earliest.
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dawgtrails
Footballguy
Wonderful!!!
Especially this part
The recommendations also say that vaccinated people can come together in the same way with people considered at low-risk for severe disease, such as in the case of vaccinated grandparents visiting healthy children and grandchildren.
dawgtrails
Footballguy
Yes, they summarize the data so we don't need to slog through hundreds of pages
Studies have confirmed the effectiveness of community mitigation measures in reducing the prevalence of COVID-19 (5–8). Mask mandates are associated with reductions in COVID-19 case and hospitalization growth rates (6,7),
You can click through the references # 5-8 if you so please. I will take their word for it though
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Yes, it's ridiculous to consider wearing masks every flu season, or for any other virus that might pop up, for the rest of our lives. Shouting that you didn't say you had to wear it every second of every day doesn't make it any less ridiculous.
Grace Under Pressure
Footballguy
When I used to see people wearing masks in the city or in Eastern countries, I thought it was odd and that it was because of pollution.
I will no longer consider it odd and now know exactly why they were wearing them.
I wouldn't expect to see mask wearing on a beach with plenty of distancing available though. Again, targeted solutions.
bigbottom
Footballguy
Regarding the bolded, what is your response to the Kansas study discussed in the FoxNews piece I linked in response to your prior post?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
It seems like Kansas was discussed in another thread too - but on that news link, they're not showing or talking any statistics - real numbers
they could have said wearing pink stops covid - but that doesn't mean its true and yes, I'm skeptical of anything I read
but the references I'm making to the CDC stats .... I mean maybe Kansas is a statistical anomaly, maybe big numbers to that guy is 1% .... huge spikes is 1% .... I don't know
what I DO know is that the biggest monster spikes in covid cases came during the peak months that masks were forced on people
The Z Machine
Footballguy
I guess that answers your question from Saturday night. Have at, buddy!
ETA: I forgot to tag @fatguyinalittlecoat, but you're also welcome to go to town, @NorvilleBarnes
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bigbottom
Footballguy
The Kansas study was discussed in this very thread, and and NPR article reporting on the study's data and conclusions was linked. You dismissed the article and the study it covered out of hand, claiming that the article was "biased." So now I link a FoxNews piece discussing the study and its conclusions, and you dismiss that out of hand as well, this time claiming that the piece doesn't discuss the data. Meanwhile you continue to claim, categorically, that there is no proof at all and that people are just guessing when they say it could have been worse without the mask mandates.
Anyway, here's the CDC Study on the Kansas mask mandate.
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bigbottom
Footballguy
This was your response to the NPR article. I'm not sure how this quote from an infectious disease expert at Columbia University makes the NPR article biased.
Apple Jack
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
what about September, October, November and December months ?
that study was a few weeks worth of data right ?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
I'm pro-gun ... if I wrote an article would I write it supporting guns or bashing guns ?
articles are often opinion pieces - written and assembled to the conclusion that supports what the author believes
am I right ?
Stealthycat
Footballguy
you need the CDC to tell you its ok to do that ?
if I want to go to a house with 6 contagious covid19 people in it and dine with them, hug them and watch Tom Brady get another super bowl .... I will
I don't need the CDC to tell me if i can or cannot
The General
Footballguy
The CDC provides guidance based on science. They try to boil things down to steps that can be easily applied to as many situations as possible and help the average person make good decisions.
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
You don't, but we do.
ETA: the government tells you what you can and can't do everyday.
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NorvilleBarnes
Footballguy
NorvilleBarnes
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Apple Jack
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
in many ways the Govt does but still, we are one of the more free nations
I'd like to keep it that way
Stealthycat
Footballguy
knowledge dropper
Footballguy
Good point. I can’t imagine being on the NYC subway everyday. I’d probably want a space suit.
sho nuff
Footballguy
Definitely hard to be a germaphobe there Id say. Just in a week visit pre-covid (thankfully) and was a great visit. But definitely not the cleanliest place.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
dawgtrails
Footballguy
This. They aren't telling you what to do @Stealthycat - you keep on being you
But many people look to scientists to determine their best course of action, especially when it comes to visiting elderly parents/grandparents and not wanting to put them in more danger than necessary
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