IvanKaramazov
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Another stupid red state with stupid Republican leadership is reopening in two weeks, albeit with mask requirements kept intact.
Fed is in charge of immigration. States are banned from enforcing immigration law.What are you walking about?
Are you suggesting that the state governments use their public health police powers to forcibly quarantine those that are confirmed COVID positive? Like China does?
Na it'll be fine.The science says that Abbott is making this stuff up.
Yet they are retaining mask mandates, bars remain closed, capacity restrictions on movies threaters, and continued caps on gathering sizes. Also a phased reopening and not everything happening in two weeks. Yeah, so not the same.Another stupid red state with stupid Republican leadership is reopening in two weeks, albeit with mask requirements kept intact.
Let's not pretend that the bolded isn't a key part of the equation.Another stupid red state with stupid Republican leadership is reopening in two weeks, albeit with mask requirements kept intact.
I get what you're saying, but CT is way ahead of most on this, is a small state that tracked and traced pretty effectively, and is indeed keeping restrictions and requirements intact.Another stupid red state with stupid Republican leadership is reopening in two weeks, albeit with mask requirements kept intact.
Wait, the bolded would be a bad thing?I fail to see what your mask preference was before all this started is relevant unless you celebrate Mardi Gras year-round.
Colossally stupid. Ned just lost my next vote. I won't even be eligible to sign up for the vaccine, much less get a first shot, on March 19.Another stupid red state with stupid Republican leadership is reopening in two weeks, albeit with mask requirements kept intact.
I still don't know what you're talking about. Can you expand a bit?Fed is in charge of immigration. States are banned from enforcing immigration law.
Are you suggesting it's OK to let people with covid on airplanes?
I doubt there's many people that are rejecting an opportunity to get a vaccine because they would still need to wear a mask afterwards. In most places not named Texas or Mississippi, the alternative is to not get a vaccine and to still be required to wear a mask.For example, requiring vaccinated people to wear masks obviously entrenches the "wear a mask" norm, but it also discourages vaccination.
Sounds like a good plan. I think most people are open to their states re-opening, so long as there a plan in placeYet they are retaining mask mandates, bars remain closed, capacity restrictions on movies threaters, and continued caps on gathering sizes. Also a phased reopening and not everything happening in two weeks. Yeah, so not the same.Another stupid red state with stupid Republican leadership is reopening in two weeks, albeit with mask requirements kept intact.
What would it take for you to accept the possibility that wearing a mask is reasonable grown-up behavior? I’m not talking at all times or situations, but would it be ridiculous to suggest widespread mask wearing during flu season (or when flu prevalence exceeds a threshold in your community) for example?I didn't wear a mask before covid, and I'm not going to wear a mask after covid. If that makes me not a grown-up, sorry.
The discussion right now is at what point we as a society transition from "everybody must wear a mask" to "most people should wear a mask but use your own judgement" to "you can throw your mask away now." That's a somewhat difficult issue because it involves trading off a bunch of various personal preferences against public safety, all with an eye toward encouraging good behavior. For example, requiring vaccinated people to wear masks obviously entrenches the "wear a mask" norm, but it also discourages vaccination. If you think this is an easy issue with an obvious answer, I submit that you probably haven't thought about it very carefully.
I'll speak for myself on this. I really do think that not wearing a mask during flu season is absolutely okay with me. This virus has not caused me to rethink the risk calculus of death by flu. I don't feel bad saying it. This isn't an excuse to smuggle the risk preference of the sometimes nanny and ninny among us to the fore.What would it take for you to accept the possibility that wearing a mask is reasonable grown-up behavior? I’m not talking at all times or situations, but would it be ridiculous to suggest widespread mask wearing during flu season (or when flu prevalence exceeds a threshold in your community) for example?
That's much different than the data I saw just a couple of days ago. It was 15% that had a single shot and under 8% that had their second vaccination shot across the US.I A recent poll of residents showed 70% are at least partial vaccinated and another 13% are trying.
Well, I wear a mask now even when nobody is forcing me to do so, so obviously I'm not opposed to mask wearing as a matter of principle.What would it take for you to accept the possibility that wearing a mask is reasonable grown-up behavior? I’m not talking at all times or situations, but would it be ridiculous to suggest widespread mask wearing during flu season (or when flu prevalence exceeds a threshold in your community) for example?
One year ago, you would have been listening to the CDC by not wearing a mask for the flu.If the CDC recommends wearing a mask during flu season, I'll probably ignore that advice, the same way most of us routinely ignore all sorts of advice from the health and medical professionals during normal times
70 years ago, you would've been skeptical of a link between smoking and lung cancer. Science evolves.One year ago, you would have been listening to the CDC by not wearing a mask for the flu.
Looks like @Biff84 is talking about a particualr retirement community, not the nation as a wholeThat's much different than the data I saw just a couple of days ago. It was 15% that had a single shot and under 8% that had their second vaccination shot across the US.I A recent poll of residents showed 70% are at least partial vaccinated and another 13% are trying.
The science didn't evolve. The CDC was just on the wrong side of science.70 years ago, you would've been skeptical of a link between smoking and lung cancer. Science evolves.
we know that after mask mandates covid numbers soaredTrue, but at least if you offered that up we would have something concrete to debate over, rather than your blanket assertion that places with a mask mandate had the worst of it
do you think those 29 million wasn't wearing masks ? I guarantee you many of them worse masks - and it didn't matter because its a virusThere are almost 29 million confrimed cases in the US, which is about 9% of the population. Now, not every case affected someone besides themselves, but a good chunk did. Whether it was them having to quarantine and miss work, or someone in their family had to quarantine and miss work, or something as simple as them having to take a couple hours off of work to go get tested. And that is only for people who didn't get sick and have to miss a couple weeks, or had to go into the hospital, and how that affected health care workers, and others. Or the family and friends of the more than 1/2 million who have died. Or the tens or hundreds of thousands who will suffer long term health consequences.
Covid has affected nearly 100% of our population in some fashion
You keep typing this and haven't even attempted to back it up with a linkwe know that after mask mandates covid numbers soared
And only one of these groups has a study of any kind to base their assumption on. The other is complete wishcasting. When faced with having a predictive model based on other situations (of a somewhat similar nature) and a complete guess, one should (IMO) go with the one that's NOT a complete guessnow, the people fearing covid would say hey, if we didn't have masks, it'd have been 10X worse .... but the people not scared would say hey, the numbers would have been about what they are with or without masks
"We're divided between those that think with their head and those that know with their heart"The science says that Abbott is making this stuff up.
do you need a link with a timeline ?You keep typing this and haven't even attempted to back it up with a link
I would take any link. Just one. Please?do you need a link with a timeline ?
do this ... click on this linkI would take any link. Just one. Please?
This was specifically a poll of the residents at the retirement community we’ve been working to vaccinate.That's much different than the data I saw just a couple of days ago. It was 15% that had a single shot and under 8% that had their second vaccination shot across the US.
Either way, I agree with you that it seems like a few weeks(or maybe even a couple of months) makes more sense until a much higher percentage of the population has been fully vaccinated. Seems like the finish line is in sight now, unlike the first time Abbott opened too early and it blew up in his face.
One of the studies cited in the CDC guidance change was actually linked in the other thread several times prior to the CDC changing guidance.The science didn't evolve. The CDC was just on the wrong side of science.70 years ago, you would've been skeptical of a link between smoking and lung cancer. Science evolves.
This isn't Monday morning quarterbacking. A ton of us realized this on our own at the time, and it was posted about at length in the other (good) covid thread.
No, that's our resident public health guy probably advocating subtly for it. Nobody else is. That particular poster is huge on public health edicts. Works in the medical field, has opinions on things communicable. That's not knocking him, that's just where that's coming from.I guess I’ve been asleep but is there now debate if we should have broad mandates to wear masks during flu season going forward? That seems...absurd?
So you would say we "flattened the curve"?Well....oddly enough...SOMETHING dramatically lessened the seasonal flu this year.
My bet? The masking and social distancing. We did it for COVID to (apparently debatable) positive effect...and it drastically reduced our flu numbers this winter. Good thing too.....we were on the verge of being over-run for a couple months there (at my hospital...I'm an ICU RN) and normal flu numbers on top of the COVID cases would have crushed us
Here's my list of metrics:I do think discussing what metrics are needed to remove all restrictions is needed.
Couldn't be because we've all been recluses for a year, could it?Well....oddly enough...SOMETHING dramatically lessened the seasonal flu this year.
My bet? The masking and social distancing. We did it for COVID to (apparently debatable) positive effect...and it drastically reduced our flu numbers this winter. Good thing too.....we were on the verge of being over-run for a couple months there (at my hospital...I'm an ICU RN) and normal flu numbers on top of the COVID cases would have crushed us
FoxNewsdo this ... click on this link
https://www.google.com/search?q=arkansas+graph+of+covid&rlz=1C1ONGR_enUS935US935&oq=arkansas+graph+of+covid&aqs=chrome..69i57j0i22i30.4455j1j4&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8
drop down to your state
https://www.aarp.org/health/healthy-living/info-2020/states-mask-mandates-coronavirus.html
so I'm in Arkansas
Arkansas
Statewide order: Yes
Gov. Asa Hutchinson's mask directive, in effect since July, requires Arkansans age 10 and over to wear face-coverings in public settings when unable to maintain at least 6 feet of distance from people outside their households. The current mandate is in effect until March 31, at which time Hutchinson says it will expire if the state's rates for positive COVID-19 tests or hospitalizations drop below certain levels.
So July is when AR mandated .... assume it took a few weeks for people to really get using them .... maybe Aug/Sept?
owhen did covid start REALLY spiking up ?
again, me? I think covid is a virus that will run its course, it'll kill the weak and compromised, because we're an obese country and unhealthy it affects the populace more .... and when its ran its course, herd immunity comes into play and the epidemic is over
pandemic isn't really a good word at all - but its scary for sure
people love to feel good nowdays ... ban plastic straws for the environment but agree to throwing billions of disposable masks away ?? lol ............ but this wearing mask to save everyone and yourself is mostly a feel good.
today I went to a grocery store - I've had my mask for weeks, haven't washed it. It fits loosely. Everyone who saw me wearing my mask felt very safe - but c'mon, it wasn't helping them because (A) its just cloth and not a good mask and (B) I'm not sick but as long as they FELT safe - that mattered
Not following... which was biased? The NPR report or the original study that Fox News piece was about? Or the Fox news piece about the study?I know the topic of this FoxNews discussion was posted previously, but I recall the article (NPR) discussing the study being dismissed as biased.
An NPR article discussing the study was linked in this thread and the response was that the article was biased. So I linked a FoxNews piece on the study and discussing the very same conclusions.Not following... which was biased? The NPR report or the original study that Fox News piece was about? Or the Fox news piece about the study?