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***Official Madison Cawthorn Thread*** (1 Viewer)
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Desert_Power
Footballguy
Why would he step down? Nothing he could do would cause him to lose the western NC district.
massraider
Footballguy
Tells the story about how good friend left him to die, when in actuality guy pulled him from the wreck.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Methy Jason Street
Sea Duck
Footballguy
I think some of this behavior can be explained as "awkward college student" stuff.
Now, that doesn't mean that I think that the allegations should be dismissed or ignored. I guess what I'm saying is that maybe it's a bit shortsighted to place these allegations in the same setting as other, more recent allegations. My reasoning is twofold: first, because if he can successfully explain away his college behavior, then it could generate enough sympathy to excuse the lying and the stolen valor; and second, if we're going to use Cawthorn's college behavior as the standard-bearer for disqualification, then we should be prepared to apply those same standards to every person in Congress. And I'm not sure if anyone on either side really wants that.
massraider
Footballguy
Women warning other women not to get in his car.
That's creeper.
That's creeper.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
N.C. Republicans censured their senior senator for voting against Trump. But they are silent on Rep. Madison Cawthorn.
Bob Orr, a former elected justice of North Carolina’s Supreme Court who was a leading Republican in the state for 45 years, said he switched his party registration to unaffiliated last month after the censure of Burr. He said he could no longer tolerate the party’s allegiance to Trump, and he said he is not surprised that no party leader has raised concerns about Cawthorn. Burr did not respond to a request for comment.
Campaign ad falsely claims a car wreck upset Cawthorn's plans to attend U.S. Naval Academy
The ad for congressional candidate Madison Cawthorn insinuated a car crash foiled his U.S. Naval Academy plans, but he was rejected before the crash. (YouTube/MadisonCawthorn)
“I think hell freezes over before they say something” about Cawthorn, said Orr, a resident of Cawthorn’s 11th District in western North Carolina. Noting that Cawthorn last week was a featured speaker at the Conservative Political Action Conference, Orr said: “He’s a Trump ally. He’s a darling of CPAC. And so they are in no way, shape or form going to be saying or doing things that are potentially detrimental to Cawthorn or anybody else that supports Trump.”
Cawthorn, who at 25 years old is the youngest member of Congress, was the subject of a recent investigation by The Washington Post, which quoted three women on the record saying that he had acted inappropriately toward them, including one who said he forcibly kissed her in what she called an assault.
More than 150 former students and graduates from Patrick Henry College, which Cawthorn attended for one semester before dropping out, signed a letter during the campaign alleging that he was a sexual “predator.”
The article also examined a litany of false statements Cawthorn made about his background, including his campaign claim that an auto accident derailed his plans to attend the Naval Academy. In fact, Cawthorn said in a deposition that his application was rejected before the crash.
The 2014 accident happened when he was a passenger in a vehicle driven by a friend who said he dozed off at the wheel. Cawthorn said in a 2017 talk at the chapel at Patrick Henry College, which he attended for one semester before dropping out, that his friend fled to the woods and left him to die in the “fiery tomb.” The friend, Bradley Ledford, told The Post in his first interview about the chapel speech that Cawthorn’s account was false and that he pulled him out of the wreckage.
Cawthorn, who is partially paralyzed and reliant on a wheelchair as a result of the accident, has declined interview requests from The Post and a number of other media outlets in recent days.
But on Tuesday, Cawthorn appeared on the television network Newsmax, which is friendly to pro-Trump Republicans. He was asked by the anchor whether the allegations against him were being raised by Democrats to distract attention from reports that New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) acted inappropriately with a number of women.
“Do you see that the political Democrats, socialist operatives at places like CNN and MSNBC and others are trying to use this old story to try to give cover to Governor ‘covid’ Cuomo?” Newsmax’s Chris Salcedo asked Cawthorn.
“Oh, absolutely,” Cawthorn responded, referring to “allegations of his own that are coming out. And you know what? I believe that everyone’s innocent until proven guilty, but it just makes so much sense that they’re going to start attacking a Republican because . . . they’re unable to defend their own governor in New York.”
Cawthorn said on the Newsmax program that the allegations of sexual harassment against him are “patently false.” Cawthorn did not respond to a request for comment.
Unlike the silence from Republican leaders about the allegations against Cawthorn, a number of leading Democrats have called on Cuomo to resign or be the subject of an investigation about allegations made by three women.
One former aide said Cuomo asked whether she would have a relationship with an older man; a second former aide said he kissed her without consent; and a third woman said he put his hands on her face at a wedding reception and asked whether he could kiss her. Cuomo has apologized for making “people feel uncomfortable” and has said he will cooperate with an investigation to be conducted by an outside law firm selected by New York’s attorney general.
In Cawthorn’s case, one woman told The Post that he forcibly kissed her in what she now considers an assault. A second woman said he took her on a drive during which she said Cawthorn became angry when she rejected his advances. A third women, Leah Petree, said that she rejected his offer to go on a “fun drive” because it implied some kind of sexual activity. She said he later called her a “just a little, blond, slutty American girl.”
Petree said via email that she hopes members of both political parties will act beyond reproach. “I hope that Rep. Cawthorn’s patterns of sexism, inappropriate behavior, and overall lack of integrity will no longer be tolerated or swept under the rug,” she wrote. “We are & can do better than Rep. Cawthorn. I specifically hope those from my hometown (Asheville, NC) and fellow conservatives will see his true character.”
George Erwin, a former sheriff of Henderson County who lined up a number of key endorsements for Cawthorn but has since become disillusioned with him, said he has heard a number of Republicans privately express concerns but said they won’t go public.
“I cannot speak for the GOP, but many I have talked to are concerned and feel that all the attention on Cuomo by Republicans and conservative publications, why not Cawthorn?” Erwin said. “They feel that it is hypocritical and that regardless of your party, if someone is a sexual predator, justice needs to prevail. However, if someone is innocent, that, too, should come to light.”
Chuck McGrady, a Republican who was a state representative in part of Cawthorn’s district until last year, said he finds Cawthorn to be “embarrassing.” But he said Republican leaders are not likely to criticize Cawthorn because that would lead to questions about loyalty to Trump.
Cawthorn is “just mimicking Trump in how he approaches things,” McGrady said. “Step away from the cult of personality and then you get criticized. There seems to be very little in the way of accountability.”
The Democratic Party in Cawthorn’s district has called upon Congress to investigate what it called Cawthorn’s seditious behavior, referring to his speech at the same Jan. 6 rally at which Trump spoke before a mob stormed the Capitol.
Moe Davis, the Democratic nominee who lost the race to Cawthorn, said via email that Cawthorn’s “role in fomenting an insurrection that got people killed should be investigated as a crime.” So far, however, no such probe has been launched, and no effort has been made by a member of Congress to try to investigate or censure Cawthorn.
As reports of Cawthorn’s actions have received more notice in Asheville and other areas that he represents, the campaign for his seat in 2022 is already beginning. The Rev. Jasmine Beach-Ferrara, a member of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners, announced Wednesday that she planned to seek the Democratic nomination. A number of Republicans are privately discussing whether to launch a primary challenge.
Cawthorn, meanwhile, on Wednesday authorized the creation of the Cawthorn Triumph Committee, which is designed to raise funds both for his reelection committee and the National Republican Campaign Committee, according to campaign filings and the Triumph group’s treasurer.
Updated March 3, 2021
https://www.washingtonpost.com
Bob Orr, a former elected justice of North Carolina’s Supreme Court who was a leading Republican in the state for 45 years, said he switched his party registration to unaffiliated last month after the censure of Burr. He said he could no longer tolerate the party’s allegiance to Trump, and he said he is not surprised that no party leader has raised concerns about Cawthorn. Burr did not respond to a request for comment.
Campaign ad falsely claims a car wreck upset Cawthorn's plans to attend U.S. Naval Academy
The ad for congressional candidate Madison Cawthorn insinuated a car crash foiled his U.S. Naval Academy plans, but he was rejected before the crash. (YouTube/MadisonCawthorn)
“I think hell freezes over before they say something” about Cawthorn, said Orr, a resident of Cawthorn’s 11th District in western North Carolina. Noting that Cawthorn last week was a featured speaker at the Conservative Political Action Conference, Orr said: “He’s a Trump ally. He’s a darling of CPAC. And so they are in no way, shape or form going to be saying or doing things that are potentially detrimental to Cawthorn or anybody else that supports Trump.”
Cawthorn, who at 25 years old is the youngest member of Congress, was the subject of a recent investigation by The Washington Post, which quoted three women on the record saying that he had acted inappropriately toward them, including one who said he forcibly kissed her in what she called an assault.
More than 150 former students and graduates from Patrick Henry College, which Cawthorn attended for one semester before dropping out, signed a letter during the campaign alleging that he was a sexual “predator.”
The article also examined a litany of false statements Cawthorn made about his background, including his campaign claim that an auto accident derailed his plans to attend the Naval Academy. In fact, Cawthorn said in a deposition that his application was rejected before the crash.
The 2014 accident happened when he was a passenger in a vehicle driven by a friend who said he dozed off at the wheel. Cawthorn said in a 2017 talk at the chapel at Patrick Henry College, which he attended for one semester before dropping out, that his friend fled to the woods and left him to die in the “fiery tomb.” The friend, Bradley Ledford, told The Post in his first interview about the chapel speech that Cawthorn’s account was false and that he pulled him out of the wreckage.
Cawthorn, who is partially paralyzed and reliant on a wheelchair as a result of the accident, has declined interview requests from The Post and a number of other media outlets in recent days.
But on Tuesday, Cawthorn appeared on the television network Newsmax, which is friendly to pro-Trump Republicans. He was asked by the anchor whether the allegations against him were being raised by Democrats to distract attention from reports that New York Gov. Andrew M. Cuomo (D) acted inappropriately with a number of women.
“Do you see that the political Democrats, socialist operatives at places like CNN and MSNBC and others are trying to use this old story to try to give cover to Governor ‘covid’ Cuomo?” Newsmax’s Chris Salcedo asked Cawthorn.
“Oh, absolutely,” Cawthorn responded, referring to “allegations of his own that are coming out. And you know what? I believe that everyone’s innocent until proven guilty, but it just makes so much sense that they’re going to start attacking a Republican because . . . they’re unable to defend their own governor in New York.”
Cawthorn said on the Newsmax program that the allegations of sexual harassment against him are “patently false.” Cawthorn did not respond to a request for comment.
Unlike the silence from Republican leaders about the allegations against Cawthorn, a number of leading Democrats have called on Cuomo to resign or be the subject of an investigation about allegations made by three women.
One former aide said Cuomo asked whether she would have a relationship with an older man; a second former aide said he kissed her without consent; and a third woman said he put his hands on her face at a wedding reception and asked whether he could kiss her. Cuomo has apologized for making “people feel uncomfortable” and has said he will cooperate with an investigation to be conducted by an outside law firm selected by New York’s attorney general.
In Cawthorn’s case, one woman told The Post that he forcibly kissed her in what she now considers an assault. A second woman said he took her on a drive during which she said Cawthorn became angry when she rejected his advances. A third women, Leah Petree, said that she rejected his offer to go on a “fun drive” because it implied some kind of sexual activity. She said he later called her a “just a little, blond, slutty American girl.”
Petree said via email that she hopes members of both political parties will act beyond reproach. “I hope that Rep. Cawthorn’s patterns of sexism, inappropriate behavior, and overall lack of integrity will no longer be tolerated or swept under the rug,” she wrote. “We are & can do better than Rep. Cawthorn. I specifically hope those from my hometown (Asheville, NC) and fellow conservatives will see his true character.”
George Erwin, a former sheriff of Henderson County who lined up a number of key endorsements for Cawthorn but has since become disillusioned with him, said he has heard a number of Republicans privately express concerns but said they won’t go public.
“I cannot speak for the GOP, but many I have talked to are concerned and feel that all the attention on Cuomo by Republicans and conservative publications, why not Cawthorn?” Erwin said. “They feel that it is hypocritical and that regardless of your party, if someone is a sexual predator, justice needs to prevail. However, if someone is innocent, that, too, should come to light.”
Chuck McGrady, a Republican who was a state representative in part of Cawthorn’s district until last year, said he finds Cawthorn to be “embarrassing.” But he said Republican leaders are not likely to criticize Cawthorn because that would lead to questions about loyalty to Trump.
Cawthorn is “just mimicking Trump in how he approaches things,” McGrady said. “Step away from the cult of personality and then you get criticized. There seems to be very little in the way of accountability.”
The Democratic Party in Cawthorn’s district has called upon Congress to investigate what it called Cawthorn’s seditious behavior, referring to his speech at the same Jan. 6 rally at which Trump spoke before a mob stormed the Capitol.
Moe Davis, the Democratic nominee who lost the race to Cawthorn, said via email that Cawthorn’s “role in fomenting an insurrection that got people killed should be investigated as a crime.” So far, however, no such probe has been launched, and no effort has been made by a member of Congress to try to investigate or censure Cawthorn.
As reports of Cawthorn’s actions have received more notice in Asheville and other areas that he represents, the campaign for his seat in 2022 is already beginning. The Rev. Jasmine Beach-Ferrara, a member of the Buncombe County Board of Commissioners, announced Wednesday that she planned to seek the Democratic nomination. A number of Republicans are privately discussing whether to launch a primary challenge.
Cawthorn, meanwhile, on Wednesday authorized the creation of the Cawthorn Triumph Committee, which is designed to raise funds both for his reelection committee and the National Republican Campaign Committee, according to campaign filings and the Triumph group’s treasurer.
Updated March 3, 2021
https://www.washingtonpost.com
crackattack
Footballguy
The sad thing about this, if I remember right. The voters knew all of this and still elected him. Is that correct? I thought I heard this all came out when he ran for his House seat. Dudes a lying scum bag.
The Commish
Footballguy
This guy is the darling of Western North Carolina. I am sure I'll be getting a ton of stuff showing up on my facebook feed in the next few days.
massraider
Footballguy
sho nuff
Footballguy
There is a D next to Cuomo...seems a consensus he should be gone.There’s no (D) next to his name, get the pitchforks out let’s cancel him! Dust off the faux rage.
Rather than comment here, you seem to instead want to talk about Dems...care to discuss this person instead of complaints about Democrats?
GoBirds
Footballguy
Board
schtick is so old, I thought I asked you nicely to stop trolling me if you couldn’t provide support for your claim(which of course you didn’t)? Be best.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I did provide support for my stance. Unlike your posts which contained none for what was your actual assertion.Board
Asking you a question and pointing out the fact that Cuomo is a Democrat and people want him gone is not trolling.
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GoBirds
Footballguy
While I don’t think your post is accurate at all to end on a positive note I have to say I’m flattered with how much time you spend chasing me around.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Wait...didn't you vote for Joe Biden this past election? Why does this bother you now?
I mean, yeah, it's bad but you should be consistent in your outrage.
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massraider
Footballguy
Taking the high road after your previous post kind of doesn't work.Board
If there is a Dem that had 150 classmates call him out as a predator after ONE month at college (man, now we know why he flunked out), let me know, we'll start a thread about him.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
GoBirds
Footballguy
Love it when you guys move goal posts just enough to get the other side and exclude your Cuomos....love it!
I don’t know how you all take yourselves seriously and believe any of this 24/7 one sided schtick is anywhere near reality. Have a good weekend beating the horse.
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sho nuff
Footballguy
Only on a far left board is Ron Johnson called a great American...and scandal like this is somehow about Biden or the Democrats.
But yeah...its all one sided people. Meanwhile...even Tim is on board with ousting Cuomo along with pretty much everyone else. The conservative thought in here...talk about democrats.
But yeah...its all one sided people. Meanwhile...even Tim is on board with ousting Cuomo along with pretty much everyone else. The conservative thought in here...talk about democrats.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
This should have spectacular musical accompaniment by end of day.
Obviously, Eye of the Tiger.
Mister CIA
Footballguy
This guy needs a starring role on It's Always Sunny in Philadelphia.
massraider
Footballguy
He told ABC 13 that the accusations were just rumors. He also promised a counter statement was coming that would endorse his character and be signed by a “significant number of PHC alumni and former students who knew him well.” Buzzfeed News notes that just six people signed it, two of whom worked for his campaign.joffer said:
This creep had no friends in college.
The Commish
Footballguy
Boy was I wrong about this one. He basically dropped off all the radars of all those people. Quit him like a bad habit
There's a lawsuit over whether Cawthorn can be on the ballot for reelection in 2024. (Link.)
The 14th Amendment says people who participate in insurrections against the United States are ineligible to serve in Congress. North Carolina has a statute saying that you can't be on the ballot if you're not eligible to serve.
Cawthorn has a few arguments that he should be allowed on the ballot. One of them, stated in his pleadings, is: “Running for political office is quintessential First Amendment activity and afforded great protection.”
That's a bad argument in this context. Why? Because fourteen is greater than one. (If two constitutional amendments are in conflict, the later-ratified one prevails.)
The 14th Amendment says people who participate in insurrections against the United States are ineligible to serve in Congress. North Carolina has a statute saying that you can't be on the ballot if you're not eligible to serve.
Cawthorn has a few arguments that he should be allowed on the ballot. One of them, stated in his pleadings, is: “Running for political office is quintessential First Amendment activity and afforded great protection.”
That's a bad argument in this context. Why? Because fourteen is greater than one. (If two constitutional amendments are in conflict, the later-ratified one prevails.)
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Rich Conway
Footballguy
"Participate in insurrections" seems to be doing a lot of heavy lifting here, with facts publicly known to date. I, personally, have few doubts that a number of Congresspeople did in fact participate in the planning of the events of Jan 6, but I don't believe it's been proven to date that Cawthorn did.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Rich Conway
Footballguy
I guess it seems to me that the suit is assuming the conclusion, at this point. But I'm not a lawyer, so it's entirely possible I'm missing something.
Not that I particularly want to defend Cawthorn. He seems like an absolutely horrible person in general and should be nowhere near the levers of power.
fatguyinalittlecoat
Footballguy
Every lawsuit assumes its conclusion. The point of the lawsuit is to prove that conclusion. Assuming the case doesn’t get thrown out, the plaintiffs will have an opportunity during discovery to get documents and testimony for the purpose of proving their conclusion. They don’t have access to those things now.
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Technically, Cawthorn is the one assuming the lawsuit's conclusion. (He's the plaintiff. He's suing the State Board of Elections to enjoin it from disqualifying Cawthorn based on a challenge to his candidacy filed by a group of voters.)
To be fair, he also asserts that the Amnesty Act of 1872 overrides the 14th Amendment and allows him to run, even if he was involved in an insurrection.
AAABatteries
Footballguy
Gets charged with driving with revoked license
Calls Ukrainian President Zelensky a Thug
And this guy will most likely get re-elected easily.
Calls Ukrainian President Zelensky a Thug
And this guy will most likely get re-elected easily.
The Commish
Footballguy
His defenders have gone radio silent on my FB feed over the last few months. Since the sexual assault allegations popped up they haven't talked about him at all. Yes, they will all still vote for him, but it's been interesting to watch from a social perspective.
quick-hands
Footballguy
Bolded is the most shocking thing of your post.
I haven't been on fb for almost a year. I wonder if I should go look. Is it different now?
The Commish
Footballguy
It's what you make it. I have several golf groups and coaching groups I am part of that use it pretty heavily. Those are really the only reason I still have it. I check in with friends from time to time, but my timeline is mostly those groups and a bunch of videos with people doing parodies or trick shots etc. At one point it was the most toxic place I could think of, then I completely wiped my settings and basically started from scratch after understanding how the sites worked (Thanks "Social Dilemma" and "The Great Hack"!!). Before that it was packed full of people left of me shouting at the people right of me and vice versa along with tons of conspiracy theories etc. Now it's mostly rainbows and unicorns, but it takes work. I haven't posted any content on there in probably 5 years. I give pictures to my wife to update the grandparents etc.
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quick-hands
Footballguy
I wasn't bagging on you. Just making a comment I hadn't even thought of fb in a while.
I apologize. I really didn't need to comment. Sometimes I post when I dont need too.
The Commish
Footballguy
No need to apologize...I took no offense. I know the way I use facebook isn't like most. Was just sharing my ritual. It really IS becoming more work than it's worth.
the moops
Footballguy
He says Ukraine "has been pushing woke ideologies".
Does acting like ####### heroes and blowing up Russian tanks and telling Putin to eff off = woke ideologies in his world?
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
Pretend you'd rather lose democracy than lose elections because you are very confident that if democracy is gone you will still be in power.
Current US history will make a lot more sense.
Current US history will make a lot more sense.
timschochet
Footballguy
crackattack
Footballguy
I just don't understand how people like this get elected. I don't care about "sides". Both "sides" elect horrible people. The American voters are something special.
Dickies
Footballguy
Yea, my FB feed is mostly a college alumni group, mountain biking groups, our local little league community and friends who post interesting things. I filtered out the people posting nonsense and it's been pretty solid. If you find various SM platforms to be cesspools, it's likely because you seek out cesspools.
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