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Kamala Harris' border crisis. Biden put her in charge. (1 Viewer)
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BladeRunner
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Seems like that's the LEAST thing you could do since you were directly given the job of GETTING THE BORDER UNDER CONTROL by the POTUS.
Its absurd. This wouldn't fly in private business at all.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
quick-hands
Footballguy
Um yes. She did go to central america didnt she? The vp busy or something? Gotta make some more dumb jokes only she laughs at? If thats the case, well i guess i understand.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
shadrap
Footballguy
she was pretty concerned when Trump was Pres. as she made a few trips there for photo ops. with cages left over from the Obama administration. to be fair she is a politician & will do what she thinks will get her re-elected & not for what is right for the country.
It's not an obsession of people wondering why she hasn't gone there. It's her sudden obsession of avoiding the border at all costs.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think it was commish that did a great job of explaining what she is tasked with. Pretty sure it's not manning the border or stopping people from coming over herself. More as a liason between C.American countries and working with them, right? (maybe i misunderstood). I am sure there are a lot of this that leaders are tasked with running where they don't have physical contact or a working knowledge of.
Not in private business ? Come on - we have a franchise offices here filled with people who haven't worked at or been to our stores, but they are setting policies for us and trying to fix problems in the stores.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
So if Harris isn't responsible for solving the border crisis, nor is Biden, then who is?
Perhaps the fact we even have to ask that question tells us all we need to know about why it isn't solved...
Perhaps the fact we even have to ask that question tells us all we need to know about why it isn't solved...
timschochet
Footballguy
KingPrawn
Footballguy
timschochet
Footballguy
That’s because the Trump Administration was deliberately separating families. That particular crime has stopped, thankfully.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Of course it's not for fans of open borders...but it is for the majority of Americans.
About two-thirds of US adults said the Biden administration was doing a very bad or somewhat bad job of dealing with the increased number of people seeking asylum, according to a May survey from the Pew Research Center.
https://www.dw.com/en/us-and-mexico-vow-to-cooperate-on-border-crisis/a-57464594
timschochet
Footballguy
I know. What can I say? They’re wrong. A strong majority of Americans have always been wrong about this issue.
timschochet
Footballguy
And it’s pretty simple why we’ve had a “crisis” on this issue for going on 40 years now: because the vast majority of Americans don’t like the idea of illegal immigrants (their term, not mine), but they’re not willing to do what it would take to get rid of them, because that would involve inhumane treatment.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Nice logic.
The majority of Americans also elected Biden. Were they wrong about that too?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
If we are being fair, it's both. It was the separation of the families + the conditions they were being kept in. Fortunately one part of that was taken care of, but the crap conditions was not.
timschochet
Footballguy
No. But they have been in previous elections.
Majority opinion doesn’t give an idea more credence.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I think there is some truth to this. We also enjoy the results of what the immigrants bring to the table, but fully admitting that would be presenting as "soft" on immigration.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
The only thing that's been established here is that you believe you know better than the vast majority of Americans.
Why am I not surprised.
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timschochet
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KingPrawn
Footballguy
Maybe the strong majority of Americans need to check with you first to tell them what side of an issue is right or wrong.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Lmao
You post all the time about Joe’s approval rating but when someone posts results of something you don’t agree with “they’re wrong”.
If you are trying to solve a problem you need to fully understand it. You can’t understand it without immersing yourself in it meaning you get on the ground at the border. In realty this administration doesn’t want to fix it so it’s all good.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I guess I just don't agree with the bolded. I agree you should understand it, but like I said we do this all the time in politics and business acting on things we haven't been to/experienced. Mostly physically being there would be for optics and politicing and photos. Mostly, IMO, it's just now something for the opponents to focus on to make it look like they are doing nothing.
Full disclosure - I have 0 clue what she is or is not doing about the issue, just think the "why hasn't she been there??!!" obsession has gotten a bit silly. I know the number of encounters leveled off for April, but haven't seen numbers for May yet.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
As always, keep bringing these awesome insightful posts to the table and keep denying most of your posts aren't related to sho and tim...
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
As always, keep following me around and commenting on everything I post. Because I'm pretty sure I commented on the same topic that you did.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Good one. I have you on ignore, but without fail when I decide to click on a post it's a shot at tim or sho and no actual thoughts on the topic. Never change, GB.
The Commish
Footballguy
I mean, it's even more demanding then that....see Obama's failure not to visit New Orleans after Katrina. He took office as a Senator in Jan of 2005 and the hurricane happened a few short months later.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Just to be fair, here, there are statements where an approval rating is an appropriate response (and lots where it isn't). For example, an approval rating isn't really a good response to the statement "Joe Biden is doing a terrible job". However, it's a perfectly appropriate response to the statement "Most Americans think Biden is doing a terrible job".Lmao
You post all the time about Joe’s approval rating but when someone posts results of something you don’t agree with “they’re wrong”.
sho nuff
Footballguy
I would agree that she needs to go visit. Though, its not as if she isn't advised by people there. But she should still go.
But the interesting thing...is you make a really good point with the bolded. Yet, here we are...most of us having never been close to the border...still talking about it. Im sure we will get the usual anecdotal internet talk of claiming to have been there as well. But the vast majority...no, not even close to seeing all that is going on (and I mean all).
sho nuff
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
On ignore?
You seem to know all of my posts by heart. Weird use of ignore. It's okay to have a crush on me
timschochet
Footballguy
This is correct. I don’t use Biden’s approval rating to justify how good a job he’s doing; I use it to discuss his political position.
On this issue I’m in the minority. I suspect I always will be. Nonetheless I’ll continue to argue it because I believe I’m right, and because it’s a serious, life and death issue for so many people. I’m not trying to win anything here.
timschochet
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Great one Tim. You're having a great week back. Dismissed the President making creepy comments about underaged girls, declared the border crisis "not a big deal", and just roasted me at 6am in the morning. Keep up the great work
Get on the ground to me means interviewing border agents, ice, migrants etc. viewing detention centers not just visit the border and look around. Perhaps she could better understand the problem and enact changes sooner to help the situation improve.
timschochet
Footballguy
You know, a lot of people here have made comments about you and a few others stalking me, and I’ve never paid too much attention to it (beyond a joke or too) but this post is pretty unnerving. You seem to know when I’m here and when I’m not. You follow my posts on a variety of subjects. It sure seems like a majority of your posts are responses to something I wrote (and most of them, like this one, are personal attacks rather than any discussion of actual issues.)
I have no personal animosity towards you, or anyone else here. I’m here to discuss issues, not people. I think you’re here to discuss other posters.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
By this logic, no Congressional representative should ever vote on a disaster package without visiting the area, right? Or vote on a foreign aid package without visiting every country represented in the bill?stlrams said:
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I get it, the optics look a tad bad, but I think it's silly to pretend in this day and age that the things he suggested she do can't be done virtually or by interviewing experts and people in the area. I don't think it's mandatory to visit the border, but I get why the right would want to hammer home that she hasn't gone down there.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
What's silly is to assume it's just "the right."
Biden and Harris flew George Floyd's family to Washington to meet with them personally. Don't you think "in this day and age" the racial agenda Biden/Harris want to accomplish couldn't "be done virtually or by interviewing experts and people in the area?"
No. They flew the family in and met with them personally to send a message they were addressing the larger issue.
Same, exact concept.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
you are correct, I just honestly haven't seen any people on the Left calling her out specifically for not going down there.
fair point about the Floyd family visit, and at the very least sends a signal about possible priorities.
just saying I don't believe her physically going there is mandatory for her addressing the issue.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
From a practical perspective, I totally agree.
The problem is that because the specific border issue has not been addressed (in the opinion of most Americans, at least)...the corresponding lack of physical presence gets elevated in importance...and increasingly becomes a symbol of incompetence/low priority agenda item.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Know when you're here? You literally had just quoted me which gives an alert. Give it a rest with your dumb weirdo stalker routine. You pulled it on Tony a few weeks ago.timschochet said:
If you don't want people to respond to you then don't post. If you don't want to be challenged don't dominate every damn thread jumping in all of them making declarative statements as if you're the damn expert on every topic about everything. It's not my fault you're bent out of shape about Biden making inappropriate comments towards underage girls. I know you desperately don't want it to be true so you dismiss it but that doesn't mean the rest of us that aren't blinded by Biden love will dismiss it. No matter how many times you demand us to post proof and then dismiss it.
You can keep attacking me and calling me names or whatever you want. It's not going to stop me from responding to you when I want to. Again, you post what you want to post about it. Let others do the same.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I get that. I am of the opinion that it hasn't been addressed properly yet (for decades), so I am not getting my panties in a wad if Harris doesn't go take a tour. I fully understand the optics of it for political reasons, just not practical reasons.
timschochet
Footballguy
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