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Just now, Doug B said:

You're correct -- layout of the Chauvin trial courtroom.

However, I think I see what Nelson means. When speaking from the attorney podium, most of the jury is out of his line of sight. And presumably with COVID constraints in place, the attorneys may not be free to approach the jury, pace in front of them, etc.

Yeah, possibly. Although if I were Chauvin's counsel and I believed the courtroom setup and the Covid precautions in any way impaired my ability to represent my client I'd have raised the issue beforehand and requested a continuance. 

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3 minutes ago, Zow said:

Of course not. 

I'm just pointing out that it's not 100% like you said. 

Of course, I am sure there are some cases that are so obvious one way or the other it is fast.  This just seems like it will be a fast conviction.   

If not the jury would be going back and forth for days if not weeks for aquittal.

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1 minute ago, whoknew said:

American news channels are terrible.

CNN is treating this like a sporting event and interviewing potential rioters with almost zeal.

It's truly awful. "Let's go to the man in the street for a riot threatened..."

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Just now, Amused to Death said:

The jurors deliberated for 10 hours over 2 days. Doesn't seem like a lot of time to go over 3 counts. Maybe not a lot of convincing was needed.

I expect many minds were made up before the trial started. 

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I worry a little about the jury system and its ability to deliver a fair verdict the way mass media has acted about this whole trial. They might be the most corrupt estate in America right now.

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

I worry a little about the jury system and its ability to deliver a fair verdict the way mass media has acted about this whole trial. They might be the most corrupt estate in America right now.

So what would you consider a fair verdict in this trial???

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3 minutes ago, Amused to Death said:

The jurors deliberated for 10 hours over 2 days. Doesn't seem like a lot of time to go over 3 counts. Maybe not a lot of convincing was needed.

Gotta think it’s guilty across the board or they quickly compromised on a lower charge. I have a hard time believing that there’s not a couple people who strongly felt he deserved the highest charges and 10 hours is not enough time to change that.

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Just now, HellToupee said:

Knowing that there is a mob outside and all your info easily “leaked” is enough 

That seems like a stretch

Edit to add:  having a mob outside didn't stop Mike Pence on Jan 6th, so what makes it different here?

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1 minute ago, Guido Merkins said:

So what would you consider a fair verdict in this trial???

idk if there is a "fair verdict"...more like some could say that a conviction (esp the highest charge) was tainted by the overall media and society pressure. 

While they promised to remain non-biased, the jurors are not robots and the overall fallout from any verdit has to be weighing on their mind. 

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3 minutes ago, Guido Merkins said:

So what would you consider a fair verdict in this trial???

I'm not answering because of the way you asked the question. I don't like the written tone or your overall oeuvre in the political threads, frankly.

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5 minutes ago, rockaction said:

CNN is treating this like a sporting event and interviewing potential rioters with almost zeal.

It's truly awful. "Let's go to the man in the street for a riot threatened..."

Meanwhile, over at the Fox News front page...

 

CNN star legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin missing from Chauvin trial coverage as masturbation scandal lingers

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-legal-analyst-toobin-chauvin-masturbation-scandal

:lol:

 

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1 minute ago, Alex P Keaton said:

That seems like a stretch

Edit to add:  having a mob outside didn't stop Mike Pence on Jan 6th, so what makes it different here?

Mike Pence is a well guarded political with armed guards at the ready. 

Juror #6 will go back to normal life and go shopping alone at night one day. 

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Just now, parrot said:

Meanwhile, over at the Fox News front page...

CNN star legal analyst Jeffrey Toobin missing from Chauvin trial coverage as masturbation scandal lingers

https://www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-legal-analyst-toobin-chauvin-masturbation-scandal

:lol:

Jesus. That's about right. Guy is on trial for murder, nationwide security hangs in the balance, and Fox is gonna cover the media aspect of it all.

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2 minutes ago, Alex P Keaton said:

That seems like a stretch

No, it's very easily within reach of people. We already see pig's heads bathed in blood and put on defense witnesses doorsteps. It's hardly a stretch or a reach. It's called intimidation of witnesses and jurors, and it's the oldest practice in the book when it comes to legal systems.

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

Jesus. That's about right. Guy is on trial for murder, nationwide security hangs in the balance, and Fox is gonna cover the media aspect of it all.

I mean, we all are waiting to see if he beats this or not......(rimshot)

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1 minute ago, Ted Lange as your Bartender said:

One not unduly influenced by outside forces.  Such as, “Will me or my family be attacked if I rule a certain way on this?”

I watched the trial.  I watched the video.  He's guilty of negligence at the very least. 

The only way they have been improperly influenced if they clear him.  Sorry.  Pretty clear on this one.....

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Jesus. That's about right. Guy is on trial for murder, nationwide security hangs in the balance, and Fox is gonna cover the media aspect of it all.

Gotta hand it to them (just not on camera)

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5 minutes ago, Guido Merkins said:

I watched the trial.  I watched the video.  He's guilty of negligence at the very least. 

The only way they have been improperly influenced if they clear him.  Sorry.  Pretty clear on this one.....

Maybe you’re right.  But stranger things have happened with a jury of 12.  And you saying it’s one way or they have been influenced is ridiculous .

 

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Just now, ekbeats said:

Quick verdict has to mean he’s guilty.

More like: He killed a man by kneeling on a man's neck for 9+ minutes "has to mean he's guilty."

 

Quick verdict means the jury likely reached the same conclusion.

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1 minute ago, Ted Lange as your Bartender said:

Fine - that doesn’t change anything about what I said.  

 

I think if a juror was legit worried about their vote - this would have been a hung-jury, and several conversations with the judge.

 

As I understand it - jury did not reach out to the judge to indicate any impasse.

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Watching the local news coverage here with a deep pit in my stomach. Although I don’t live in the city of Minneapolis I’m 10 miles out and the city has gone through enough the last year.

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9 minutes ago, Ted Lange as your Bartender said:

One not unduly influenced by outside forces.  Such as, “Will me or my family be attacked if I rule a certain way on this?”

Yup. If for some reason I were on the jury and unable to get tossed from it, I would be voting guilty on the highest count, even if I thought he were innocent.

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7 minutes ago, rockaction said:

No, it's very easily within reach of people. We already see pig's heads bathed in blood and put on defense witnesses doorsteps. It's hardly a stretch or a reach. It's called intimidation of witnesses and jurors, and it's the oldest practice in the book when it comes to legal systems.

Fair enough.  I’m not in Minneapolis, and really don’t watch the news.  If it is really that over the top outside the building, I can appreciate that thought.

It continues to strike me as strange that some folks see this one way for the Chauvin trial, but the opposite for the events of Jan 6th.  Not criticizing any individual, just observing.

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1 minute ago, TakiToki said:

Yup. If for some reason I were on the jury and unable to get tossed from it, I would be voting guilty on the highest count, even if I thought he were innocent.

Shame on you - on multiple levels.

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Just now, Sinn Fein said:

I think if a juror was legit worried about their vote - this would have been a hung-jury, and several conversations with the judge.

As I understand it - jury did not reach out to the judge to indicate any impasse.

You'd like to think so, but circumstances seem like that wouldn't be the case. People are smart enough to avoid the rest of their lives being in question. I have less faith. Great faith in the system, less so in the actors surrounding it and corrupting the process. I hope justice is served, like you. I'm just less sanguine about it than you are. I'm not sure what I would put in its place, though, so we're imperfectly perfect, I guess.

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Just now, Sinn Fein said:

I think if a juror was legit worried about their vote - this would have been a hung-jury, and several conversations with the judge.

 

As I understand it - jury did not reach out to the judge to indicate any impasse.

I responded before I read the whole response to me so I changed it.

My problem is I’ve read so many people say things along the lines of “I hope they find him guilty so that there isn’t more rioting”.  Now I lean that he’s probably guilty here of something, but either way, That’s a pretty tainted sense of justice.  

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Just now, rockaction said:

You'd like to think so, but circumstances seem like that wouldn't be the case. People are smart enough to avoid the rest of their lives being in question. I have less faith. Great faith in the system, less so in the actors surrounding it and corrupting the process. I hope justice is served, like you. I'm just less sanguine about it than you are. I'm not sure what I would put in its place, though, so we're imperfectly perfect, I guess.

Fair enough.

 

I have CBS on in the background - I don't think I realized that a plea deal broke down where Chauvin had agreed to significant time in prison, but Barr would not sign off on the deal, so it unraveled.

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13 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Jesus. That's about right. Guy is on trial for murder, nationwide security hangs in the balance, and Fox is gonna cover the media aspect of it all.

If ONLY they had the ability to cover more than one story at a time...  

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Just now, Alex P Keaton said:

Fair enough.  I’m not in Minneapolis, and really don’t watch the news.  If it is really that over the top outside the building, I can appreciate that thought.

It continues to strike me as strange that some folks see this one way for the Chauvin trial, but the opposite for the events of Jan 6th.  Not criticizing any individual, just observing.

I'm not really sure how Jan 6th and this are analogous. I really don't. I've been hyper-critical of the events of Jan. 6th and the intimidation and provocation factors that seem to be the issues there. For instance, I think Donald Trump implicitly incited that riot and have no real sympathy for those taking part in it, other than those who are mentally ill or completely led astray by conspiracy theories. I feel sympathy for them. Other than that, I think they should be prosecuted fully.

I'm not seeing the connection between that and witness intimidation, though.

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4 minutes ago, TakiToki said:

Yup. If for some reason I were on the jury and unable to get tossed from it, I would be voting guilty on the highest count, even if I thought he were innocent.

wow - I assume this is hyperbole.  Illegal and sanctionable obviously, but just morally corrupt imo to put an innocent man in prison.

 

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