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5 minutes ago, killface said:

Thankfully most people aren't like you.

People that stand with their values have brought down the mob, gangs etc...it's how our justice system functions

Very easy for you to say when you're not in that position. Or did you not here about witnesses for the defense being harassed. 

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1 minute ago, rockaction said:

There is a time and a place for it, and this is probably the wrong time and place to be covering another news anchors' masturbatory habits and #metoo'ing him on the news. Sort of a sliding scale of priorities would dictate that this story would be at the absolute bottom of all narrative constructs.

CNN are no angels when it comes to narrative, Fox's aside about that today is awful. That's my opinion.

Agree.  Very bad form by Fox.  Disrespectful.  And Greg Gutfeld just made a statement on Fox that may get him fired.  You’ll be seeing it over and over the next few days.

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1 minute ago, sho nuff said:

I think very few if any truely defended that.   The overwhelming majority has stated they don’t support looting or violent protest.

So yeah. Nothing wring with me and please try keeping it civil

So you asked a question and knew the answer?  Plenty wrong there. 

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Just now, sho nuff said:

I think very few if any truely defended that.   The overwhelming majority has stated they don’t support looting or violent protest.

So yeah. Nothing wring with me and please try keeping it civil

There were specific quotes from at least three people in favor of it. We found them at your behest, and you're still caterwauling to the contrary. Accept it and own it. It's personal because you keep obtusely making it that way about "your side." Get over it. There are people on your side that defended it. On this very board.

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Just now, IvanKaramazov said:

Great outcome.  Pleasantly surprised.

Least surprising thing ever in my opinion.  I run in some pretty Conservative circles and it’s been  universal disgust at this killing.  

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Just now, IvanKaramazov said:

Great outcome.  Pleasantly surprised.

I think it was just. Nothing pleasant about it, really, though. Don't mean to scold, just my own personal opinion. I'm surprised people can't see the utter potential for disaster that was averted here, but aren't less sanguine that in future cases that are more controversial and with less evidence that threats of riots and burning don't become the standard.

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5 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

So you asked a question and knew the answer?  Plenty wrong there. 

He said "nothing wring there." He never said anything about anything being "wrong," per se.

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4 minutes ago, urbanhack said:

Great take.  You are pathetic.

I think he's guilty of being premature, is all.

Cowboysfan8 is my boy. If he falls out of the range of acceptable outcomes from internet musings, I'm personally willing to cut slack and give a listen as to why. Lots of us would be.

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6 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

NBC saying Biden will speak tonight and call for peaceful protests.  What the hell are they protesting about today’s verdict?

I'm really not sure what makes me more disheartened.  The fact that a large percentage of people will be celebrating that the system worked because it is actually broken or that a large percentage of people will be celebrating that the system worked because they perceive it to be broken.   Either option is frightening.  

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19 minutes ago, [icon] said:

So out of curiousity.... 

What is the acceptable amount of arson, vandalism, burglary, and grand theft tonight before it crosses from "celebrating" into "criminal riots"?  

Sounds loaded but is an honest question of those in here who have defended previous riots/burning/looting. 

ETA: I haven't been following the case too closely so I accept the jury's verdict as fair assessment and distribution of justice :thumbup: 

How many people NOT committing arson, vandalism, burglary, and grand theft tonight will it take for you to say that you were wrong and unfairly made assumptions?

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Just now, GroveDiesel said:

How many people NOT committing arson, vandalism, burglary, and grand theft tonight will it take for you to say that you were wrong and unfairly made assumptions?

How many good cops are grouped in with Chauvin because they are a cop?  Sorry but guilty by association.

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Just now, Dickies said:

Those who are familiar with this stuff, what kind of sentence is he looking at here?

Not my area, but:

Dressed in a gray suit, Chauvin eyes darted left as the judge announced that he was convicted of second- and third-degree murder, as well as second-degree manslaughter. He faces up to 75 years in prison when he returns for sentencing in eight weeks.

Second-degree murder carries a maximum sentence of 40 years.
Third-degree murder carries a maximum sentence of 25 years.
Second-degree manslaughter is punishable by up to 10 years.

 

He also tried to plea to 3rd degree murder on federal charges, and serve 10+ years.

 

Even if the judge gave him the max - the sentences would run concurrently - so 40 is the max.

Un-educated guess - he gets 20 years.

 

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7 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

The guy says he would send somebody to jail even if he didn’t think he was guilty and you want me to get help???

 

It's probably awfully easy to say something like you said when you're not under the pressure these people were under. That people can be honest with themselves about their own mortality and position is something that the system needs to address, not necessarily an indictment about his moral failings as a man. But perhaps it's because I'm disposed to like TakiToki as a poster that I feel this way.

What I'm really trying to say is that it's easy to see one's self as honorable under any conditions when only words are at stake. Honest assessments in that regard are hard to come by. Not saying you wouldn't be fine with any conditions, but perhaps introspection and understanding our own potential frailties is what everyone is getting at, STEADY.

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8 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

Least surprising thing ever in my opinion.  I run in some pretty Conservative circles and it’s been  universal disgust at this killing.  

Watching this from afar agreed. This seemed very likely. Fellow cops were telling the jury he’s guilty. 

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9 minutes ago, cockroach said:

Chauvin showed zero emotion as the verdict was read.  

He would have known the outcome, by the quick return.

He has probably been psychologically preparing for this since he was arrested.

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Just now, Sinn Fein said:

He would have known the outcome, by the quick return.

He has probably been psychologically preparing for this since he was arrested.

He'll likely be on suicide watch over the next few days if the state is wise.

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Just now, rockaction said:

It's probably awfully easy to say something like you said when you're not under the pressure these people were under. That people can be honest with themselves about their own mortality and position is something that the system needs to address, not necessarily indictment about his moral failings as a man. But perhaps it's because I'm disposed to like TakiToki as a poster that I feel this way.

What I'm really trying to say is that it's easy to see one's self as honorable under any conditions when only words are at stake. Honest assessments in that regard are hard to come by. Not saying you wouldn't be fine with any conditions, but perhaps introspection and understanding our own potential frailties is what everyone is getting at, STEADY.

I understand why he did it but imo that makes it worse. Unforgivable. 

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5 minutes ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

NBC saying Biden will speak tonight and call for peaceful protests.  What the hell are they protesting about today’s verdict?

We'll have to see how he addresses this. When is this not seeing this announced anywhere.

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1 minute ago, GroveDiesel said:

So what’s the criteria for association?

You tell me, you made the statement using NOT.  That tells me “oh well, shame on them for doing that”.

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4 minutes ago, da_budman said:
24 minutes ago, ekbeats said:

Are there any?

There is a signifficant blue lives matter crowd that think cops can do no wrong no matter how egregious the police overstep their bounds.  

Whatever you do, do not read the quotes on the Fox News article of the guilty verdicts. Generally a good idea anyway. People are mad.

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2 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Not my area, but:

Dressed in a gray suit, Chauvin eyes darted left as the judge announced that he was convicted of second- and third-degree murder, as well as second-degree manslaughter. He faces up to 75 years in prison when he returns for sentencing in eight weeks.

Second-degree murder carries a maximum sentence of 40 years.
Third-degree murder carries a maximum sentence of 25 years.
Second-degree manslaughter is punishable by up to 10 years.

 

He also tried to plea to 3rd degree murder on federal charges, and serve 10+ years.

 

Even if the judge gave him the max - the sentences would run concurrently - so 40 is the max.

Un-educated guess - he gets 20 years.

 

Can he really be convicted of all three when the factual circumstances are the same?  Is there a valid appeal issue here?

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Just now, rockaction said:

He'll likely be on suicide watch over the next few days if the state is wise.

Probably - that seems like it should be good standard procedure for anyone convicted of a crime where the penalty will be a lengthy prison stay.

 

 

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1 minute ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

This is the best case scenario. We al watched the video and I think everyone that has a heart, even the most racist of racists saw that video and cringed. It was awful. 

Broad daylight, face down, cuffed, with four cops holding him down, for nine minutes, with a group of passersby literally telling the cops they were killing him.

It's still kind of a sad statement that we couldn't be 100% sure he would be convicted for murder so plain, so there's definitely some level of relief.

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Just now, Mookie said:

Can he really be convicted of all three when the factual circumstances are the same?  Is there a valid appeal issue here?

He’s got several reasons for a appeal. That crooked congresswoman’s words alone. 
 

I hope he doesn’t get an appeal given he’s guilty on all three so convincingly. 

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14 minutes ago, STEADYMOBBIN 22 said:

I understand why he did it but imo that makes it worse. Unforgivable. 

TakiToki didn't do anything, though. It was a hypothetical posed to him. He was just predicting and projecting what he would do. He was projecting his own moral failing, one presumes. It was an honest moment.

My take on this, more broadly, is that justice was served today. A man is still dead over passing a bad twenty and the attendant reaction to it. I can't be happy one bit about it. The system worked like we've painstakingly hoped it would -- we have lost many lives to ensure it would function that way; that our way of life was upheld and that the state is accountable for its actions. To me, it's a sobering moment and a time for reflection more than immediate gratification or condemnation of certain abstract concepts.

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3 minutes ago, Sinn Fein said:

Not my area, but:

Dressed in a gray suit, Chauvin eyes darted left as the judge announced that he was convicted of second- and third-degree murder, as well as second-degree manslaughter. He faces up to 75 years in prison when he returns for sentencing in eight weeks.

Second-degree murder carries a maximum sentence of 40 years.
Third-degree murder carries a maximum sentence of 25 years.
Second-degree manslaughter is punishable by up to 10 years.

 

He also tried to plea to 3rd degree murder on federal charges, and serve 10+ years.

 

Even if the judge gave him the max - the sentences would run concurrently - so 40 is the max.

Un-educated guess - he gets 20 years.

 

Thanks.  I would say 20 years sounds about right.  I'm one who thinks we sentence people way too long in this country..

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18 minutes ago, steeler6 said:

Very easy for you to say when you're not in that position. Or did you not here about witnesses for the defense being harassed. 

again, what do you think people have to face in actual criminal trials where they are threatened with murder?  

It's how people need to function if the system is going to work.

You can be too scared but again thankfully most people aren't like you

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