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Boy CNN tried to make the Atlanta shootings all about race (1 Viewer)

My go-to source for soberly aggregating info about events being excitedly reported on in the news is Wikipedia. It comes through again here. This summary seems rather sane:

No motive has yet been established. However, several commentators noted the ethnicity of the victims, six of eight of which are women of Asian descent, amidst an increase in anti-Asian hate crimes in the United States during the COVID-19 pandemic, or have characterized it as a hate crime. According to The Chosun Ilbo, an eyewitness to the Gold Spa shooting told local Korean media that the shooter said that he would kill all Asians. Captain Jay Baker of the Cherokee County Sheriff's Department has dismissed reports that Long's actions were racially motivated, instead stating that Long simply had a "really bad day".

The suspect has claimed that his actions were not racially motivated, but instead related to his sexual addiction. According to the Cherokee County Sheriff, the suspect wanted to "eliminate the temptation" by targeting massage parlors. Long allegedly spent time in rehabilitation for sexual addiction in 2020, and felt "tortured" by his addiction to sex as he was deeply religious, according to a roommate who lived with him during his stay at a transition house after exiting rehabilitation. According to a police source, Long was recently kicked out of the house by his family due to his sexual addiction.

The suspect was on his way to Florida when he was apprehended. According to officials from the Cherokee County Sheriff's office, Long was traveling to Florida with the intention to attack "some type of porn industry." The same officials said they believe Long may in the past have patronized one or more of the spas he targeted.

A terrorism expert has compared the 2021 Atlanta spa shootings to the 2020 Toronto machete attack by an incel male ideologue.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Atlanta_spa_shootings#Motive

 
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Captain Jay Baker of the Cherokee County Sheriff's Department has dismissed reports that Long's actions were racially motivated, instead stating that Long simply had a "really bad day".
Hey!!  Way to go, Captain Jay Baker!!  Nice to see this guy in charge.

Shocked!! I am, shocked I say, that a search for this swell fella turns up this garbage.  

 
you're also leaving out:

Unsettling questions surround the motive behind three Atlanta-area spa shootings as Asians in the US face increased hate

Hate crime data is just the fraction of actual incidents of anti-Asian violence

Asian Women are uniquely vulnerable to violence 

Rocks were thrown at Asian families home. See what their neighbors did (video about incidents in various parts of the country over the last few months) 

All in the same "Main News" block.
This is pent up. The violence against asians has been building a ton lately but it has not been reported on in depth for pretty obvious reasons. Now they have a wealth of stories to write and keep up the good fight.

 
My go-to source for soberly aggregating info about events being excitedly reported on in the news is Wikipedia. It comes through again here. This summary seems rather sane:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Atlanta_spa_shootings#Motive
I like this. Aggregated from multiple sources and fairly well balanced in its presentation. My personal favorite is this from the GA governor, which is not likely to be found in the news outlets driven by an agenda of division.

In a statement to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Kemp said that there were indicators of the shootings being a hate crime, but added that he was willing to let investigating authorities determine the facts before he would offer his opinion.

 
I like this. Aggregated from multiple sources and fairly well balanced in its presentation. My personal favorite is this from the GA governor, which is not likely to be found in the news outlets driven by an agenda of division.

In a statement to The Atlanta Journal-Constitution, Kemp said that there were indicators of the shootings being a hate crime, but added that he was willing to let investigating authorities determine the facts before he would offer his opinion.
Thats my point.  Is that too much to ask these days?  CNN went CRAZY with the racism stuff immediately, without doing any actual journalism.   Because ratings.  And it's just flat out gross to me.

 
Thats my point.  Is that too much to ask these days?  CNN went CRAZY with the racism stuff immediately, without doing any actual journalism.   Because ratings.  And it's just flat out gross to me.
I don't disagree with you at all.  The urge to jump on these and so many other gotcha stories is a major symptom of the sickness in our society.  The sickness doesn't start with the news though it starts with the people watching...our society is built on 'chase the money at all costs'.  The news is no different than that...

 
My go-to source for soberly aggregating info about events being excitedly reported on in the news is Wikipedia. It comes through again here. This summary seems rather sane:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_Atlanta_spa_shootings#Motive


Nice post - thanks.   @Sand and I were posting back and forth in the Chicago thread about the possible increase in crimes and discrimination towards Asian Americans this past year as well, and how that might have led to some of the conclusions and headlines.   

The NYT Daily podcast touched on this today and was saying that the hate crimes towards Asians in NY jumped from 3 in 2019 to near 30 in 2020.  Anything from punching somebody while saying something about the China Virus,  to pulling somebody's hair hard enough to pull a chunk out while saying "you're the reason covid is here".  These kinds of things are going on in the backdrop of what happened yesterday.  

 
There is also the problem that the lead sheriff investigating this situation may himself be an anti-Asian American racist. 
If you're going to make an accusation that serious, please add lots more than just dropping that. 

 
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Looks like the post right above yours posted a link to some info. 
That was after his post. There are thousands of posts that I don't and won't see. If you're going to make an accusation that serious, back it up with lots more than just dropping that. 

 
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ATLANTA -- A Facebook page appearing to belong to a Georgia sheriff’s office spokesman who is helping to investigate the recent massage parlor slayings promoted a T-shirt with racist language about China and the coronavirus last year.
Do we know exactly what the shirt was?

 
The shirt is tacky but not racist. 

Except maybe for the misspelling of China.  I admittedly don't get what that's about -- if it's some kind of racist meme then okay fine.

 
The shirt is tacky but not racist. 

Except maybe for the misspelling of China.  I admittedly don't get what that's about -- if it's some kind of racist meme then okay fine.
I tend to agree but you have to better and smarter if you are going to be a in a position like his. 

I would fire him for sure if I was his boss

 
The shirt is tacky but not racist. 

Except maybe for the misspelling of China.  I admittedly don't get what that's about -- if it's some kind of racist meme then okay fine.
Do you think ABC and other articles that refer to it as a "T-shirt with racist language about China and the coronavirus last year." knew it was a Corona beer shirt that said "imported virus from Chyna"?

 
Do you think ABC and other articles that refer to it as a "T-shirt with racist language about China and the coronavirus last year." knew it was a Corona beer shirt that said "imported virus from Chyna"?
For me by the pure definition of the term, the shirt is racist.  But it's that kind of racism that doesn't make the person racist per se. 

That probably makes no sense

 
Do you think ABC and other articles that refer to it as a "T-shirt with racist language about China and the coronavirus last year." knew it was a Corona beer shirt that said "imported virus from Chyna"?
Yeah, I've seen pictures of this shirt on social media, so I'm sure the reporters who wrote the story knew what it was.

For the record, I really do think it's in bad taste to walk around in a t-shirt featuring a joke about a disease that just killed 500,000 Americans.  My only objection is that isn't racist -- there were a ton of "Ha ha if I drink Corona beer will that make me immune to the Corona-virus" jokes around this time last year.

 
Yeah, I've seen pictures of this shirt on social media, so I'm sure the reporters who wrote the story knew what it was.

For the record, I really do think it's in bad taste to walk around in a t-shirt featuring a joke about a disease that just killed 500,000 Americans.  My only objection is that isn't racist -- there were a ton of "Ha ha if I drink Corona beer will that make me immune to the Corona-virus" jokes around this time last year.
The only issue is see is that shirt isn't a play on the beer.  It's a play off the virus and China (especially because it's spelled wrong).

Inherently it is racist but i can see how someone would find it funny without being a racist themselves.

 
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Whatever, it's a crappy shirt, in poor taste for whatever reason, and looks just AWFUL after he says the kid had a bad day after killing a bunch of Asians.  

It's also different if your buddy at the bar has the shirt on, and a police chief shares it on Facebook like the birth of a grandson.  

 
1. the "bad day" comment was a stupid thing for a police official to say during an ongoing hommicide investigation. 

2. Is now just saying the word "china" (in a tongue and cheek accent) considered racist? Isnt there strong opinion that the virus originated in China? Would making joking associations with Corona Beer and the Virus and the beer's origins be considered racist?

We are really making very blurry lines as to what is considered "racist" IMO. 

Where do we separate "Racist" and "stereotype"?

 
Yeah that shirt is about as "racist" as all the people making the "Wuhan, got you all in check" jokes on the first page of the coronavirus thread.

 
1. the "bad day" comment was a stupid thing for a police official to say during an ongoing hommicide investigation. 

2. Is now just saying the word "china" (in a tongue and cheek accent) considered racist? Isnt there strong opinion that the virus originated in China? Would making joking associations with Corona Beer and the Virus and the beer's origins be considered racist?

We are really making very blurry lines as to what is considered "racist" IMO. 

Where do we separate "Racist" and "stereotype"?
I agree the line is very grey between the two...

To me it's the misspelling of the name that trends it into racism as opposed to just tacky.

And i go back to my original point that if you are in a highly public position you need to be better than this.  Combine this with his 'bad day' comment and the optics are terrible.  I think we can all agree to that.

 
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The optics of telling the press that the shooter is the one who had a 'bad day' when 8 people are dead because of his actions is an offense equal to or greater than his pushing a shirt blaming Covid on 'CHY NAH'.  I mean if the murderer had a 'bad day' sheriff, what did the people who died have?  Or their loved ones who are grieving now?  Talk about tone deaf.

 
The optics of telling the press that the shooter is the one who had a 'bad day' when 8 people are dead because of his actions is an offense equal to or greater than his pushing a shirt blaming Covid on 'CHY NAH'.  I mean if the murderer had a 'bad day' sheriff, what did the people who died have?  Or their loved ones who are grieving now?  Talk about tone deaf.
100%

The original comment is way worse.  The combo certainly looks terrible

 
Yeah that shirt is about as "racist" as all the people making the "Wuhan, got you all in check" jokes on the first page of the coronavirus thread.
There were posters here who took great delight in the hilarious trolling of Trump at his pep rallies referring to the virus as "Kung Flu".  Would hope they might have reconsidered that position in light of what's happened here and across our country as Asians are being targeted in assaults.  Sickening.

 
What's lost in a lot of this conversation is the broad-brush use of the term "Asian" as a stereotype.

Anyone who's spent any time there knows there's huge differences in terms of physical traits, cultures, etc.

For example, many Chinese absolute loathe Japanese for the Rape of Nanking, and vice versa for other reasons.

But to many Americans, "Asians" are all exactly the same.

 
There were posters here who took great delight in the hilarious trolling of Trump at his pep rallies referring to the virus as "Kung Flu".  Would hope they might have reconsidered that position in light of what's happened here and across our country as Asians are being targeted in assaults.  Sickening.
Well, sure, but can you really call that racist??   :grad:

Sad levels of obtuse in here right now

 
The police chief participating in a news conference seems a bit misplaced. Maybe I'm off-base, but aren't they professional police officers, not professional PR/Media consultants? It seems a bit unfair to have these officers addressing the media when that's not their area of expertise. Guy is getting eviscerated for the "bad day" line, but he's not a professional media liaison. 

 
The police chief participating in a news conference seems a bit misplaced. Maybe I'm off-base, but aren't they professional police officers, not professional PR/Media consultants? It seems a bit unfair to have these officers addressing the media when that's not their area of expertise. Guy is getting eviscerated for the "bad day" line, but he's not a professional media liaison. 
Really.  How many people do you know would be that obtuse to use the 'bad day' line?  I would expect a little more awareness in someone that people called Chief.

 
The police chief participating in a news conference seems a bit misplaced. Maybe I'm off-base, but aren't they professional police officers, not professional PR/Media consultants? It seems a bit unfair to have these officers addressing the media when that's not their area of expertise. Guy is getting eviscerated for the "bad day" line, but he's not a professional media liaison. 
He's their director of communications

 
Capt. Jay Baker: “Yeah let me go into a little detail. The suspect did take responsibility for the shootings. He said that early on once we began the interviews with him. He claims that these – and as the chief said, this is still early – but he does claim that it was not racially motivated. He apparently has an issue, what he considers a sex addiction, and sees these locations as something that allows him to go to these places, and it’s a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate. Like I said, it’s still early on. Those were comments that he made.”

Reporter: “Did he discuss any kind religious motivation for this, or was he…”

Baker: “Not that I’m aware of.”

Reporter: “Or political?”

Baker: “None political. I’ve heard nothing about politics.”

Reporter: “Any sense of his social media history? Is that something you’ve been able to look up?”

Baker: “That’s something that investigators, and they’ve been working on it. That’s certainly one of the things they’ll be doing.”

Reporter: “Sheriff, did you have a sense that he understood the gravity of what he did?”

Baker: “When I spoke with investigators, they interviewed him this morning, and they got that impression that, yes, he understood the gravity of it, and he was pretty much fed up and had been at the end of his rope, and yesterday was a really bad day for him, and this is what he did.”

Reporter: “Remorseful?”

Baker: “I’m not going to – I don’t know if he was remorseful or not.”

 
What's lost in a lot of this conversation is the broad-brush use of the term "Asian" as a stereotype.

Anyone who's spent any time there knows there's huge differences in terms of physical traits, cultures, etc.

For example, many Chinese absolute loathe Japanese for the Rape of Nanking, and vice versa for other reasons.

But to many Americans, "Asians" are all exactly the same.
Very true and Asian is way too broad of a brush to use.  Chinese and Japanese basically despise each other and don`t associate much.  Only 14% of Chinese have a favorable opinion on Japanese.  While Japanese have even a smaller favorable opinion of Chinese at 10%.

 
Capt. Jay Baker: “Yeah let me go into a little detail. The suspect did take responsibility for the shootings. He said that early on once we began the interviews with him. He claims that these – and as the chief said, this is still early – but he does claim that it was not racially motivated. He apparently has an issue, what he considers a sex addiction, and sees these locations as something that allows him to go to these places, and it’s a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate. Like I said, it’s still early on. Those were comments that he made.”

Reporter: “Did he discuss any kind religious motivation for this, or was he…”

Baker: “Not that I’m aware of.”

Reporter: “Or political?”

Baker: “None political. I’ve heard nothing about politics.”

Reporter: “Any sense of his social media history? Is that something you’ve been able to look up?”

Baker: “That’s something that investigators, and they’ve been working on it. That’s certainly one of the things they’ll be doing.”

Reporter: “Sheriff, did you have a sense that he understood the gravity of what he did?”

Baker: “When I spoke with investigators, they interviewed him this morning, and they got that impression that, yes, he understood the gravity of it, and he was pretty much fed up and had been at the end of his rope, and yesterday was a really bad day for him, and this is what he did.”

Reporter: “Remorseful?”

Baker: “I’m not going to – I don’t know if he was remorseful or not.”
Well, seeing that transcript, this looks like Baker getting attributed words that the shooter said.  

 
Capt. Jay Baker: “Yeah let me go into a little detail. The suspect did take responsibility for the shootings. He said that early on once we began the interviews with him. He claims that these – and as the chief said, this is still early – but he does claim that it was not racially motivated. He apparently has an issue, what he considers a sex addiction, and sees these locations as something that allows him to go to these places, and it’s a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate. Like I said, it’s still early on. Those were comments that he made.”

Reporter: “Did he discuss any kind religious motivation for this, or was he…”

Baker: “Not that I’m aware of.”

Reporter: “Or political?”

Baker: “None political. I’ve heard nothing about politics.”

Reporter: “Any sense of his social media history? Is that something you’ve been able to look up?”

Baker: “That’s something that investigators, and they’ve been working on it. That’s certainly one of the things they’ll be doing.”

Reporter: “Sheriff, did you have a sense that he understood the gravity of what he did?”

Baker: “When I spoke with investigators, they interviewed him this morning, and they got that impression that, yes, he understood the gravity of it, and he was pretty much fed up and had been at the end of his rope, and yesterday was a really bad day for him, and this is what he did.”

Reporter: “Remorseful?”

Baker: “I’m not going to – I don’t know if he was remorseful or not.”
It's still a terrible comment even with the full context

Sir why did you kill your wife.  Well we had a fight and it was a bad day for me

Son, why did you kill those all those people in your class.  Well it was a really bad day for me.  

If you the end result is mass murder i would say everyone of those people is having a really bad day

That being said he has to be smarter than that then to repeat it even if it's verbatim what the guy said.

 
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Capt. Jay Baker: “Yeah let me go into a little detail. The suspect did take responsibility for the shootings. He said that early on once we began the interviews with him. He claims that these – and as the chief said, this is still early – but he does claim that it was not racially motivated. He apparently has an issue, what he considers a sex addiction, and sees these locations as something that allows him to go to these places, and it’s a temptation for him that he wanted to eliminate. Like I said, it’s still early on. Those were comments that he made.”

Reporter: “Did he discuss any kind religious motivation for this, or was he…”

Baker: “Not that I’m aware of.”

Reporter: “Or political?”

Baker: “None political. I’ve heard nothing about politics.”

Reporter: “Any sense of his social media history? Is that something you’ve been able to look up?”

Baker: “That’s something that investigators, and they’ve been working on it. That’s certainly one of the things they’ll be doing.”

Reporter: “Sheriff, did you have a sense that he understood the gravity of what he did?”

Baker: “When I spoke with investigators, they interviewed him this morning, and they got that impression that, yes, he understood the gravity of it, and he was pretty much fed up and had been at the end of his rope, and yesterday was a really bad day for him, and this is what he did.”

Reporter: “Remorseful?”

Baker: “I’m not going to – I don’t know if he was remorseful or not.”
So the "bad day" comment was actually the suspect's own words and he was just repeating what was said??

If so, its again another example of things being twisted and pulled out of context....i'll admit I took the bait.

 
It's still a terrible comment even with the full context

Sir why did you kill your wife.  Well we had a fight and it was a bad day for me

Son, why did you kill those all those people in your class.  Well it was a really bad day for me.  

If you the end result is mass murder i would say everyone of those people is having a really bad day
Of course those examples are terrible. And of course it is terrible for the shooter to say that. 

But thats obviously different than where the criticism is getting pointed. 

 
It's still a terrible comment even with the full context

Sir why did you kill your wife.  Well we had a fight and it was a bad day for me

Son, why did you kill those all those people in your class.  Well it was a really bad day for me.  

If you the end result is mass murder i would say everyone of those people is having a really bad day
but you are quoting a person who is technically out of their mind currently. I think that if you were to commit murder, you're not really thinking of anyone else or have any care for the fallout outside of yourself. 

 
So the "bad day" comment was actually the suspect's own words and he was just repeating what was said??

If so, its again another example of things being twisted and pulled out of context....i'll admit I took the bait.
I disagree.  If the Sheriff said this without putting into context that he was repeating what the killer said, then how else are you supposed to take it?

 

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