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Chaz McNulty
Footballguy
Yep. They should wait atleast 3 days until they have all the facts before reporting on what an eyewitness tells them.
the rover
Footballguy
So that happened as a result of a mass shooting? The current ammo shortage is a purposeful result of manufacturers shorting supply. It’s nationwide and has nothing to do with state legislation.
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
..and maybe we should do similar? We can't give it a couple hours without it turning into a pissing contest about media sites and who might be right about motivations.
My hearts go out to the families who lost loved ones today. Time to step away from the thread for the night.
That’s what they said at the press conference. 10 dead including the first responding officer.
Stoneworker
Footballguy
Geezus dude. It's a direct quote from a grandfather reporting what his son told him. Reported verbatim by the news site. Maybe he meant "that where it started for them."
Don't create a problem where there isn't one.
Problem?
Several people posting that from CNN and social media that people may have been targeted beczuse of getting a vaccine. That's creating a problem where there is none.
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Stoneworker
Footballguy
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I wasn't trying to speculate on motive with my question FWIW. Just have been busy and was curious if it was still being reported.
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Stoneworker
Footballguy
All good. It's a tense time. I'm somewhat local so was merely attempting to provide facts and wasn't aware of social media conjecture going on.
Apologies to @tonydead if I came across somewhat terse.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Mass shootings affect a far larger number of people than just those that are actually injured and killed. It traumatizes everyone present. It traumatizes first responders who are involved. It traumatizes communities. It traumatizes children that have to go through shooting drills in schools.
Lightning strikes don't have similar wide reaching effects.
Plus, there's little to prevent current number of lightning strike deaths. Same can't be said for mass shootings. Other countries have figured out ways to significantly decrease the number of them that we haven't been able to here in the US.
Lightning strikes don't have similar wide reaching effects.
Plus, there's little to prevent current number of lightning strike deaths. Same can't be said for mass shootings. Other countries have figured out ways to significantly decrease the number of them that we haven't been able to here in the US.
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the rover
Footballguy
Demand is up 139% compared to this time last year. Manufacturing is down across the board. It has nothing to do with legislation. Go do your own research. Maybe you’ll stop spreading rumors and false information.
Don Lemon going all-in on the political angle, interviewing all Democratic anti-gun people. Haven’t heard one Republican politician interviewed. Rep. Joe Neguse saying that Americans “can’t even go grocery shopping anymore. It’s time to act - now” Don Lemon responding, “Americans aren’t safe, and this is exhibit one.” Imagine them talking about lightning strikes this way. News porn meets political porn. And meanwhile on Fox Sean Hannity is scaring the #### out of Americans that we are being overrun by hoards of illegals. The sad thing is that the bulk of Americans in this country formulate their ideas of what constitutes good political policy based on this crap.
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Bucsfan5493
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Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Seeing as the perp had an apparent leg wound my guess is that the officer probably shot him in the leg. I tell you one thing, if AR-15’s are going to be legal then every officer should have one in the trunk of their cruisers.
Too far from responders. About 4 years ago I had a medical emergency in the middle of the night. I called 911 and it was a good 20 minutes before an officer got to my house. I had lived in highly populated areas my whole life and it wasn’t until I moved to the sticks that I truly understood the need for a gun. It’s scary being out here in the middle of nowhere. If I screamed no one would hear me. And a cop once told me that this is the exact thing that makes my house an attractive target.
Bottomfeeder Sports
Footballguy
Let me be honest. When you posted this I figured that this was silly. That there was almost no crime in such places to worry about. Then I Googled and learned that apparently the violent crime rates are higher in rural than urban America. And while it is going down everywhere else (at least in aggregate) it is going up in rural America. Stay safe!
timschochet
Footballguy
You said you needed a gun because you live in a rural area. And I have no problem with that. If you lived in an urban area I wouldn’t have a problem with it either: it’s your right, and so long as you’re not a criminal it’s none of my business.
But- I don’t think you need an AR-15. I don’t think anyone needs a weapon like this, and I believe that for the good of society these weapons should be banned. They’re too dangerous for private citizens to own. If we decide to ban them, we’re not interfering in your Second Amendment rights.
I understand your point and I go back and forth on it myself. The part of me that wants an AR-15 is the part that believes in the 2A protection against government tyranny or civil war. I never in my life imagined thinking that was remotely possible, but the last 4 years have made me realize it’s not completely unreasonable that such a thing could happen in this country. But to be honest I don’t feel that strongly about it.timschochet said:
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“And I have to tell you the heroic action of this officer when he responded to the scene. At 1430 hours, the Border Police Department began receiving phone calls of shots fired in the area,” the chief continued. “A phone call about a possible person with a patrol rifle. Officer Talley responded to the scene, was first on the scene, and he was fatally shot.”
HERO
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I'm guessing this guy didn't wait for backup, for SWAT to arrive. The video shows a guy in handcuffs, wounded and bleeding. He took on fire away from other possible victims. May have stopped him. Cant put a price on guys like this. First responders and police departments should be fully funded.
HERO
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I'm guessing this guy didn't wait for backup, for SWAT to arrive. The video shows a guy in handcuffs, wounded and bleeding. He took on fire away from other possible victims. May have stopped him. Cant put a price on guys like this. First responders and police departments should be fully funded.
timschochet
Footballguy
An AR-15 will not protect you from either government tyranny or a civil war. In fact if either of those extremely remote possibilities actually occur, you’re much more likely to die for possessing such a weapon than it saving your life.
On the other, it might protect you, for a while, from the zombie apocalypse.
Instead of trying to force your beliefs on everyone else, you should adopt the bolded thinking in just about everything...including my choice of weapons.....try it.timschochet said:
I choose to own a handgun to protect my family.
I choose to own an M4 to protect my handgun.
(and yes...it is a hill to die on)
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There were people just like you at Concord....I'm sure.
I'm am also sure that in the case of government tyranny....people like you will fall right in line.
God save the King!
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
ekbeats said:
Just curious where you looked and found this. I see that BS said "violent crime" which is all encompassing. I looked at the FBI site under burglary, assuming that's was ek was worried about, and that was down overall 50% in the last decade, but didn't have a urban/rural breakdown.Bottomfeeder Sports said:
bigmarc27
Footballguy
He’s just trying to say that because nature has killed people, it’s totally fair to compare it to something completely different where innocent people are dying for no reason and make a false equivalence because it suits him and allows him to completely dismiss any common sense discourse to keep assault rifles from being for public consumption.KarmaPolice said:
He did say he lives in a rural area, so I’m sure he threw 30 bullets into Bambi that one time to stay alive.
the moops
Footballguy
I agree on this, and this guy is likely a gosh darn ####### HERO.
But just want to point out you calling others out for speculating on the shooters motives, but here you are speculating on this officers motives. We all get to speculate in situations like this for it takes time for the truth to come out
Yeah not at all what I was saying but good try. I was commenting on how people mistakenly say that mass shootings are common occurrences. The numbers don’t support that notion. It’s a non-data driven emotional reaction, kind of like your posts.
the moops
Footballguy
They are common here in the US if you compare them to occurences elsewhere in the world. They aren't if you compare them to lightning strikes.
Bucsfan5493
Footballguy
Also worth noting that if you look at the Washington Post link that guy sent over earlier in the thread, you’ll see the last 5 years have a much higher concentration of mass shootings than any other 5 year span. In the span of 1966-1970, there were only 6 total mass shootings according to that link. In 2020 alone (which looks to be a good year going off recent standards), there were 5 and that was the lowest number since 2016.
So sure, if you want to go all the way back to 60’s and 70’s where there were only 1 or 2 mass shootings a year (according to the definition that they’re using), you can skew the data to make it not look as bad but you’d really have to have your head in the sand to pretend that the number of mass shootings that have happened over the last decade or so is not a big deal.
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Summer Wheat
Footballguy
Will Biden and Harris go to Colorado now to speak to the community?
What?
Claiming witnesses or news outlets are saying something when they are not isnt speculation, it's a form of deception.
Even if it was speculation, if you speculate something stupid and politically driven expect to get called out on it.
Apple Juice
Footballguy
squistion
Footballguy
Drunken Cowboy
Footballguy
Snorkelson
Footballguy
One guy blows up a building with a fertilizer bomb, we make it harder to get fertilizer in mass quantities. Meth heads use over the counter meds to make meth, we make it harder to buy those medications. People shoot up a school, concert, club, supermarket? Crickets.
timschochet
Footballguy
1. Not on issues of public safety.
2. I have no problem with you owning a handgun. I have no problem with you wanting to protect your family.
3. You need an M4 to protect your handgun? Wouldn’t a safe be a better purchase?
4. A hill to die on? Really? My idea at the moment is that we should ban all AR-15s (and AR-15 type weapons) amd institute voluntary buybacks on those already in circulation. Will this cause you to make a rebellious live or die stand against the government?
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KarmaPolice
Footballguy
I get what you are saying, but on the flip side there's not an Amendment addressing fertilizer and cold meds.
timschochet
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