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More Unelectable - The Momala Laugh Or The Hillary Cackle? (1 Viewer)

Hillary or Kamala?

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KarmaPolice said:
:shrug:    Or we could talk about their policies and ideas. 
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I'd be more than glad to concentrate on Kamala Harris's love of busing, her prosecutorial zeal, her completely liberal or left-wing policy voting record in the Senate, but is that the real story? Is that what voters really elected her for? I'm submit that the votes for Biden were simply a repudiation of Trump and his ilk and not an acceptance of Harris's politics.

 
fatguyinalittlecoat said:
I have concerns.
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The irony of all this is if Kamala Harris gets the 2024 DNC ticket, she stands a better chance against Donald Trump compared to Nikki Haley.

If you are a leftist and want the Democratic Party to stay in power in 2024 and beyond, you'll want Donald Trump as your opponent. Trump can't win without Nikki Haley as his VP candidate. I don't see a pathway. There are some natural narratives that help Harris against Trump. However against Haley, it all falls apart.

Haley didn't get caught sleeping her way to the top. She might have in private but it's not in public and accepted mainstream as such. Haley will not lose her own ethnic vote. Some black Americans will not see Harris as truly black and won't vote for her. Lots of women, including suburban women will like Haley over Harris. Lots of moderates and undecideds will like Haley over Harris.

If Harris is linked to even one more married man, she's done and gone with female voters. She will look like a homewrecker. Some will say that's not fair or it's sexist, OK, so what, that's how this game is played. There are inherent political advantages to being a woman in politics. And then there are some drawbacks. That's how it works.

Harris is a horrible public speaker. She is linked to keeping young black men in prison based on turfing legitimate evidence. So she can't push a law and order narrative.

What does she have in her favor? Obama's blessing ( and the linked fundraising support) and "The Grant Hill Effect", which is a black person who aesthetically will surface level appeal to a majority white audience. Will Smith was a classic case of the Grant Hill Effect.

I genuinely feel sorry for Harris' PR team. There's media spin control and then there's just plain magic. Her team is expected to simply create pure magic to make Harris appear even slightly appealing to so many diverse segments of the voting population that have no incentive to put her in office. Her team made a massive mistake. Harris has established narratives that can't be fixed, so don't try to fix them. Triple down and present a hard edged persona. But I don't think Harris talented enough to sell that either.

You can't douse hot dogs in A1 Sauce and call it steak. There's just not much to work with here and Harris isn't giving her team many options.

If I was the power elite in China and I saw Harris take office in 2024, I'd just invade immediately. It's like when the Lions hired Steve Mariucci. You are asking to get hammered for starting a Double A fringe prospect in the World Series.

 
Kamala Harris is not and was not a serious candidate for President. That she has the inside track is upsetting to this anti-Trump, anti-GOP guy (as of now those adjectives fit).

 
KarmaPolice said:
:shrug:    Or we could talk about their policies and ideas. 
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Kamala Harris Accused Of Plagiarizing Martin Luther King (1/5 14:23 PST)

https://forums.footballguys.com/topic/791948-kamala-harris-accused-of-plagiarizing-martin-luther-king-15-1423-pst/

*****

Something like this only happens if you have an incompetent media team.

You can be a mediocre politician if you have a great team. I'm not a huge fan of AOC in many spots, but she has an elite support staff. She lacks any kind of improvisational skill, but when AOC sticks to the script she's given, she's a solid softball hitter.

Harris is the worst combination of unskilled surrounded by the unskilled.

The DNC needed someone with the personality make up of a Tarajj P Henson ( She made Hidden Figures almost watchable and took the most ridiculous parts of Empire and made them interesting) 

VIDEO: Hidden Figures Bathroom Speech Scene •Jan 12, 2017

From the movie "Hidden Figures", Katherine Johnson gives a speech about how she has to go half a mile just to use the bathroom because of the lack of coloured bathrooms in the building she works in and how she isn't be treated equally.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9j6p7ajuh-E

 
TheMagus said:
I feel like the PSF has become what I envisioned parler was like. 
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I guess in a way this was what I sort of poking fun at. The reductive nature of political commentary. But it's easy to lose that tone when so much serious discourse is devoted to things like this. Probably should refrain from threads like this in the future.

I would love to have a debate about Kamala Harris's positions and why she's unfit for the presidency without invoking either identity politics, "next in line" arguments, or personal ways of getting to the top. But on the other hand, there does seem to be smoke around those fires. Some people get to the top through identity politics and sleeping with powerful people. It's just that's the way life works. I rue it, but it does.

 
Thinking you’d get more participation If you had added a third option like “Donald the Seditionist”(or Donald the adulterer whose mistress was Marla Maples while he was still married to Ivana)....guessing you just wanted to list Democrats?

Truthfully hoping none of the 3 are an option in 2024

 
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GordonGekko said:
The irony of all this is if Kamala Harris gets the 2024 DNC ticket, she stands a better chance against Donald Trump compared to Nikki Haley.

If you are a leftist and want the Democratic Party to stay in power in 2024 and beyond, you'll want Donald Trump as your opponent. Trump can't win without Nikki Haley as his VP candidate. I don't see a pathway. There are some natural narratives that help Harris against Trump. However against Haley, it all falls apart.

Haley didn't get caught sleeping her way to the top. She might have in private but it's not in public and accepted mainstream as such. Haley will not lose her own ethnic vote. Some black Americans will not see Harris as truly black and won't vote for her. Lots of women, including suburban women will like Haley over Harris. Lots of moderates and undecideds will like Haley over Harris.

If Harris is linked to even one more married man, she's done and gone with female voters. She will look like a homewrecker. Some will say that's not fair or it's sexist, OK, so what, that's how this game is played. There are inherent political advantages to being a woman in politics. And then there are some drawbacks. That's how it works.

Harris is a horrible public speaker. She is linked to keeping young black men in prison based on turfing legitimate evidence. So she can't push a law and order narrative.

What does she have in her favor? Obama's blessing ( and the linked fundraising support) and "The Grant Hill Effect", which is a black person who aesthetically will surface level appeal to a majority white audience. Will Smith was a classic case of the Grant Hill Effect.

I genuinely feel sorry for Harris' PR team. There's media spin control and then there's just plain magic. Her team is expected to simply create pure magic to make Harris appear even slightly appealing to so many diverse segments of the voting population that have no incentive to put her in office. Her team made a massive mistake. Harris has established narratives that can't be fixed, so don't try to fix them. Triple down and present a hard edged persona. But I don't think Harris talented enough to sell that either.

You can't douse hot dogs in A1 Sauce and call it steak. There's just not much to work with here and Harris isn't giving her team many options.

If I was the power elite in China and I saw Harris take office in 2024, I'd just invade immediately. It's like when the Lions hired Steve Mariucci. You are asking to get hammered for starting a Double A fringe prospect in the World Series.
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Sorry, is your point that misogyny still reigns in America?  Because, #### me, your post is really on the nose.  

The China invasion ####?  Lmao.  Come for air out of your war silo my brother.  

 
rockaction said:
Kamala Harris is not and was not a serious candidate for President. That she has the inside track is upsetting to this anti-Trump, anti-GOP guy (as of now those adjectives fit).
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She will be very serious soon when she takes over the position.  Incumbents are of course notoriously hard to beat

 
supermike80 said:
She will be very serious soon when she takes over the position.  Incumbents are of course notoriously hard to beat
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That would be very serious for us as a country. If she takes over we will have to bear witness to the entire Pacific Rim and Russia rattle their sabres, "test" missiles like they did this past week, and check for cracks in our computing and physical infrastructure for hacks. But I don't think Joe is going anywhere barring physical health complications. He's not slowing down, nor is he senile in the least.

 
rockaction said:
That would be very serious for us as a country. If she takes over we will have to bear witness to the entire Pacific Rim and Russia rattle their sabres, "test" missiles like they did this past week, and check for cracks in our computing and physical infrastructure for hacks. But I don't think Joe is going anywhere barring physical health complications. He's not slowing down, nor is he senile in the least.
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Well I'm not convinced about his health.  It's only been a coule months and he appears--off.  4 years left?   I'm willing to bet he doesn't make it.

 
supermike80 said:
Well I'm not convinced about his health.  It's only been a coule months and he appears--off.  4 years left?   I'm willing to bet he doesn't make it.
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I don't think I'd take you up on that bet just because of statistics. So that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of my own position. Let's wait and see how he fares. Sad that he sort of got (willingly) drafted into this and has to spend his next few remaining years trying to right the ship. He really wasn't going to run until very late in the process, but saw that he was probably the only one with hopes of winning on the D side, so hey...

 
rockaction said:
I don't think I'd take you up on that bet just because of statistics. So that's not exactly a ringing endorsement of my own position. Let's wait and see how he fares. Sad that he sort of got (willingly) drafted into this and has to spend his next few remaining years trying to right the ship. He really wasn't going to run until very late in the process, but saw that he was probably the only one with hopes of winning on the D side, so hey...
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He was the only one that could win.  That was clear.   

 
lazyike said:
Truthfully hoping none of the 3 are an option in 2024
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This is the practical 2024 race, as of today

DNC:  Joe Biden( if he survives that long/health) , Kamala Harris, AOC, Gavin Newsom ( if he squeaks by recall)

RNC: Donald Trump ( if he survives that long/health), Nikki Haley, Ted Cruz

It should terrify leftists that the best chance to beat Nikki Haley and hold POTUS will be Gavin Newsom.

That Tulsi Gabbard actually sounds like a rational normal human being to many and got turfed should worry many rank and file Democrats. I get that many see Gabbard as a DINO and that servant based leadership model is not effective at this level ( She can only use what she knows), but any seemingly functional candidate simply won't survive the power brokers at DNC HQ.

Pete Buttigieg has no chance and that should bother leftists. All of them. Not just the woked out cancel culture needling two steps away from socialists using identity politics like Thor's Hammer types, but also traditional liberals and rational progressives.

There are many election cycles where Nikki Haley would not have a snowball's chance in Hell. But look at the field. If she trades the next SCOTUS seat to Cruz for his delegates, her pathway looks mostly clean.

Harris is just a false front to support the Obama agenda. As long as the ACA survives, i.e his personal legacy, then the unelected cabal running Biden/Harris can do what it wants.

AOC is surface level passionate but her disturbing views on basic economic principles would very likely send an already fragile system over the edge.

Newsom is the worst kind of corrupt narcissist. He thinks he's the smartest guy in the room and doesn't understand his job is to hire smart people to run the machine for him. Emperor Newsom will see all your children and grandchildren to the grave. Everything he's touched, he's run into the ground.

Do you think any of the DNC contenders listed can stop China? If you were China, would you be motivated to simply invade immediately after seeing that gallery of mediocrity?

Some of you will defend Harris simply for being a Democrat. But  where is your outrage over Bernie Sanders, Tulsi Gabbard and now Buttigieg not fitting the DNC HQ agenda (i.e. if we can't control you, then you don't exist) and being shuffled off to the side like cannon fodder?

DNC HQ is the greatest matchmaker ever. It's 2AM at the bar and it's closing time, and they surrounded Nikki Haley with muffin tops, PEZ Dispensers (those who have multiple kids from multiple different fathers and are still at a bar at closing time on a weeknight) and Nicotine Turtles (those who smoked so long that their skin looks leather like and when they talk, it looks like they will snap a carrot stick out of your hand)  DNC HQ made Nikki Haley into marriage material by default. The Girl Next Door looks like a pageant queen when she stands next to a roster of pure woe.

Shonda Rhimes couldn't pen an unintentional comedy turned tragedy like this. DNC HQ has given you leftists the worst season of Grey's Anatomy ever made. And some of you will defend it.

 
rockaction said:
I'd be more than glad to concentrate on Kamala Harris's love of busing, her prosecutorial zeal, her completely liberal or left-wing policy voting record in the Senate, but is that the real story? Is that what voters really elected her for? I'm submit that the votes for Biden were simply a repudiation of Trump and his ilk and not an acceptance of Harris's politics.
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I don't know a ton about her.  I usually vote 3rd part for POTUS, so admit fully admit that the bolded was me.  

I will say that people did pay attention to her politics.  I liked her a bit more than the other options being floated around, and honestly might have not voted Biden if it was some of the other candidates for VP.  

 
KarmaPolice said:
I don't know a ton about her.  I usually vote 3rd part for POTUS, so admit fully admit that the bolded was me.  

I will say that people did pay attention to her politics.  I liked her a bit more than the other options being floated around, and honestly might have not voted Biden if it was some of the other candidates for VP.  
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Fair enough, but I'm not sure that losing voters to the left of the ticket was that big of a concern for Biden. It was about shoring up a particular and large section of the electorate that did indeed come along with Biden instead of no-showing at the polls.

 
zoonation said:
Sorry, is your point that misogyny still reigns in America? 
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The point is if Harris is publicly linked to another married man for her own political gain, then masses of suburban women will "virtue signal" by voting for Nikki Haley.

You want to spin political strategy within the Court Of Public Opinion into something else. It's not something else. This community is 99 percent male. Masses of women virtue signaling around them, no matter their own crimes and misdeeds, is no new concept.

It's not just that Harris has dirty optics, it's that her optics simply don't sell. There's a reason she couldn't gain the DNC ticket in 2020 on her own.

But yes, you want to push it back to some form of identity politics like a loyal zealot.

So, Yes, if you want to be the first female President of the United States, IT WOULD HELP IF YOU STOPPED SPREADING YOUR LEGS OPEN FOR MARRIED MEN AND HAVE THAT BE THE PUBLIC NARRATIVE.

Virtue signaling still reigns in America. Anything other basics that you need to be explained to you today, son?

 
rockaction said:
Fair enough, but I'm not sure that losing voters to the left of the ticket was that big of a concern for Biden. It was about shoring up a particular and large section of the electorate that did indeed come along with Biden instead of no-showing at the polls.
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No argument here.  He was clear what he was narrowing down the search for VP to.  

Just saying that with the rumblings about Biden's age and being a 1 term guy, I think the VP candidate and their policies mattered a tad more than in previous years.  

 
rockaction said:
That would be very serious for us as a country. If she takes over we will have to bear witness to the entire Pacific Rim and Russia rattle their sabres, "test" missiles like they did this past week, and check for cracks in our computing and physical infrastructure for hacks. But I don't think Joe is going anywhere barring physical health complications. He's not slowing down, nor is he senile in the least.
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4 yrs in the White House wears down everyone

 
Cowboysfan8 said:
4 yrs in the White House wears down everyone
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I mean this term. Next term I don't expect him to run for the exact reason you state. President is a young man's game for the most part. Or an egomaniac yakked up on Diet Coke and the concatenated ingredients included in the tartar sauce that comes with the Filet-O-Fish. Bang! Zoom! Jaw, meet Lock. Lock, meet Jaw.

 
rockaction said:
I mean this term. Next term I don't expect him to run for the exact reason you state. President is a young man's game for the most part. Or an egomaniac yakked up on Diet Coke and the concatenated ingredients included in the tartar sauce that comes with the Filet-O-Fish. Bang! Zoom! Jaw, meet Lock. Lock, meet Jaw.
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Ya I should’ve been more clear. 4 yrs is a long time, I’ll think he will wear out before then but who knows 

 
I would vote Clinton over Harris.   Harris could not even make it out of a primary and that says Dem voters did not really care for her.  Looking back at Clinton she would have been a better choice that Biden or Harris.

Hillary has to be kicking herself for not running this time around as she would have won.

 
rockaction said:
I'd be more than glad to concentrate on Kamala Harris's love of busing, her prosecutorial zeal, her completely liberal or left-wing policy voting record in the Senate, but is that the real story? Is that what voters really elected her for? I'm submit that the votes for Biden were simply a repudiation of Trump and his ilk and not an acceptance of Harris's politics.
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Harris was the most disliked among Dems in their primaries.  First one out with like 2% of the vote?  something like that.  Even they didn't like her.  How did she get to be VP?  Black & a woman.  Nothing wrong with that if that's the way you want to roll.

 
rockaction said:
I guess in a way this was what I sort of poking fun at. The reductive nature of political commentary. But it's easy to lose that tone when so much serious discourse is devoted to things like this. Probably should refrain from threads like this in the future.

I would love to have a debate about Kamala Harris's positions and why she's unfit for the presidency without invoking either identity politics, "next in line" arguments, or personal ways of getting to the top. But on the other hand, there does seem to be smoke around those fires. Some people get to the top through identity politics and sleeping with powerful people. It's just that's the way life works. I rue it, but it does.
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Harris also has the advantage that if she is losing an argument on the merits she can close off all discussion by calling them racist.   It is what it is.

 
rockaction said:
I mean this term. Next term I don't expect him to run for the exact reason you state. President is a young man's game for the most part. Or an egomaniac yakked up on Diet Coke and the concatenated ingredients included in the tartar sauce that comes with the Filet-O-Fish. Bang! Zoom! Jaw, meet Lock. Lock, meet Jaw.
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Careful...

 
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