Zow
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Yeah if I had my druthers/choice I'd have done the J and J one shot. Super happy I got the Moderna but took time off of work twice for the shots and the one day symptoms wasn't fun.
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Moderna vs. Pfizer Vaccines - Which is better? (1 Viewer)
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Phil Elliott
Footballguy
Today was 14 days post Moderna #2 injection. Slight sore arm for a couple days after each one. Son in law had Covid over thanksgiving (headache and back ache for about three days) had no side effects after Moderna #1 a couple weeks ago.
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
Mrs. Rannous
Footballguy
We both got Pfizer shots. We were both a bit sore at the injection site. Otherwise, no biggie.
soothsayer
Footballguy
Moderna shot #2 in the arm yesterday mid-day.
After shot #1 - semi-sore arm at injection site, mild fatigue & mild nausea approx. 24 hours after shot, joint pain primarily in wrists - it was weird
After shot #2 (so far) - arm is much more sore at injection site than last time (it feels like someone punched me really hard right in my upper shoulder), no signs yet of fatigue or nausea, joint pain in my wrists again - which still seems weird
Hoping the rest of today and tomorrow go swimmingly.
After shot #1 - semi-sore arm at injection site, mild fatigue & mild nausea approx. 24 hours after shot, joint pain primarily in wrists - it was weird
After shot #2 (so far) - arm is much more sore at injection site than last time (it feels like someone punched me really hard right in my upper shoulder), no signs yet of fatigue or nausea, joint pain in my wrists again - which still seems weird
Hoping the rest of today and tomorrow go swimmingly.
Van Dyman
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My wife saw something like you say indicating the mRNA choice may be better for high risk folks (me). We kept checking around for a few days and (eventually) found all three available.Biff84 said:
Teens can only take Pfizer right now, so my wife and I went with Moderna to free up two extra Pfizer doses for that population. I hope they take advantage.
Minor soreness at injection site. Super mild headache later that day, got drowsy earlier than usual that night. Hoping the 2nd dose goes just as smoothly.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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Edited- NO - this is wrong —->You should rub/massage any injection shot you ever get for at least a minute after your shot. [s/]Got dose 2 of Pfizertoday about 45 minutes ago. had like 90 oz of gatorade this morning to hydrate. Supposedly moving the injection arm around bunch helps so trying to do that. will report back.
-QG
I was wrong.
Unlike other shots or vaccines they say not to rub this one.
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Doug B
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Wait: Do you need to both rub/massage the spot AND do some shoulder raises or something?
strykerpks
Footballguy
Got Moderna #1 today. That's what they offered 
Doug B
Footballguy
Ivan Drago training montage FTW.
(Hmmm ... that pulling horses out of the snowdrift thing that Rocky does is pretty swift, too)
IvanKaramazov
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I got Moderna #2 at 8:00 this morning and my shoulder is seriously sore, like it's injured or something. Obviously it's not actually injured -- just commenting. Definitely worse than shot #1.
Edit: Went to bed feeling fine. Woke up around 1:00 am feeling awful, specifically chills and a strong headache. At some point I dragged myself out of bed to knock back some powerade and ibuprofen, and now I feel basically okay. I'm working from home today because I'm still a little chilled and it's just better to sit in front of my computer under a blanket instead of being in the office, but I would have been fine if I had gone in.
Edit: Went to bed feeling fine. Woke up around 1:00 am feeling awful, specifically chills and a strong headache. At some point I dragged myself out of bed to knock back some powerade and ibuprofen, and now I feel basically okay. I'm working from home today because I'm still a little chilled and it's just better to sit in front of my computer under a blanket instead of being in the office, but I would have been fine if I had gone in.
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Terminalxylem
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It’s interesting how much value people place on one shot convenience + older vaccine technology offered by J&J.Biff84 said:
Even though all three vaccines effectively prevent hospitalization and death, one third of J&J recipients got symptomatic covid-19, almost a half of which were considered severe...granted I have no idea what criteria they used for hospitalization, but generally severe disease means oxygen levels below normal. Presumably a sunset of those people are at risk to become long haulers and/or experience organ damage from the infection. Plus they theoretically are more likely to spread it.
In contrast, only ~5% of Pfizer/Moderna recipients developed covid with any symptoms, none of which were considered severe. And it appears their risk of spreading covid is just as unlikely.
To be fair, the three vaccines have not been compared head-to-head in a systematic manner, so the data needs to be interpreted in the context of differences in the initial vaccine trials, including study population demographics and prevailing SARS-CoV-2 strain(s).
While I agree high risk individuals should get the mRNA vaccines, IMO it’s worth the extra hassle for just about everyone to consider the two shot regimens. Death and hospitalization aren’t the only outcomes of SARS-CoV-infection. Symptomatic covid isn’t necessarily a walk in the park, and minimizing spread will expedite a return to normalcy.
Terminalxylem
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dino259
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Terminalxylem
Footballguy
I just looked up the J&J protocol:
It makes no sense to say almost nobody was hospitalized if those were their criteria for severe disease. Heck even their moderate finding could land one in the hospital for a night or two.
AAABatteries
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Got Pfizer #2 at 1:00pm. Tired and arm hurts but ok otherwise- hoping I can say the same tomorrow night.
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
After #2 muscles feel a little weird, heavy, but mostly just tired. Laid down on the couch this afternoon, my kid jumped on me, and I still fell asleep in no time. Didn't notice when he left.
Mrs. Rannous
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DJackson10
Footballguy
My brother has his degree in Psychology and works for a company that specializes on research for these sort of things. Wor was giving us the option of Pfizer or J&J and I took the one shot J&J. My brother said out of the 3 J&J is the best one to get. I trust him over a lot of people because my baby brother religiously has paid attention to this since the start. His company also did some studies of the Vaccine too.
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I am amazed by the amount of people waiting for the one dose shot too. From people who don’t like shots to people who fear getting side effects twice, all willing to take that decreased efficiency for convenience. I’ve talked a few people out of J&J because they had significant risk conditions.
With that being said, I’d prefer to get more J&J in. In our area we’ve done a very good job of getting the elderly and high risk patients. Most of our appointments now are 18-45. We’re planning on pushing hard through April and May and start with some well deserved vacation during the summer. With the population we’re vaccinating, I’d rather be doing J&J in April and getting another group in May rather than just doing second doses.
On Monday we did a large J&J clinic for the AZ Craft Brewers Guild. I don’t know if we would have done it if there was a second follow-up clinic. Funny enough they invited media to cover the event I ended up getting interviewed about the differences between the vaccines and ended up in a COVID Fact vs Fiction segment where they referred to me as ‘Dr’ even after I asked them not to. Don’t think I’ll live that down for awhile.
Terminalxylem
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I agree with getting people vaccinated as quickly as possible, as that is most beneficial on a population level. But as more data comes out, I’d even favor single dose mRNA vaccines over J&J, if that ever becomes an option.
I just can’t think of another situation where people enthusiastically choose something so less effective, at least when cost doesn’t enter the equation. Yes, I know the absolute risk is low for many, but still, the trade-off of two shots is minimal in my mind.
Doug B
Footballguy
My Moderna reactions were exactly the opposite. After shot #1, after about 6 hours I got a shocking level of shoulder soreness ... like "I spent a day moving heavy furniture and I might have pulled something."
Right now, nearly 19 hours after shot #2, the soreness is light, more like "Whoops -- I just bumped into a door frame."
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
I was under the impression that the reported effectiveness of the J&J vaccine was impacted by when it was in testing -- where variants were a large proportion of the infections in the test. Meaning that if Pfizer and Moderna had been tested against the variants instead of the initial strain their results might look more like J&J's. Is that not right?
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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Todem
Footballguy
Wife and I got our first Moderna shot yesterday. Just a little arm soreness. Nothing else. You don’t even feel the needle whatsoever.
Looking forward to being fully vaccinated in 4 more weeks.
Will be getting Pfizer for my 16 year old son after his high school baseball season ends April 24th. I want him vaccinated for his summer showcase schedule. Things are very open here in Florida (playing in West Palm, Fort Myers, Sanford) and we are also going to Georgia to play at Cobb. I expect almost no one to be wearing masks or following common sense social distancing by then.
Yeah I know, I have set the bar very low LOL.
I love living in Florida and to be honest I am pleased we are not one of those archaic lock down states......but also people need to use more common sense and once you leave Palm Beach County.....it all goes to ####.
Looking forward to being fully vaccinated in 4 more weeks.
Will be getting Pfizer for my 16 year old son after his high school baseball season ends April 24th. I want him vaccinated for his summer showcase schedule. Things are very open here in Florida (playing in West Palm, Fort Myers, Sanford) and we are also going to Georgia to play at Cobb. I expect almost no one to be wearing masks or following common sense social distancing by then.
Yeah I know, I have set the bar very low LOL.
I love living in Florida and to be honest I am pleased we are not one of those archaic lock down states......but also people need to use more common sense and once you leave Palm Beach County.....it all goes to ####.
DJackson10
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I just have no time with work and other stuff to do. I have a wedding for my dad's best friends son who is only a few days young then me in May to go and didn't want to go without being vaccinated. Plus you aren't fully protected in a sense till 2 weeks after the 2nd shot where the single dose is 2 weeks after anyway so the two shot wouldn't have helped me in this case
strykerpks
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Rodrigo Duterte
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SWC
Bromigo
hey man you do you and i bet you still get your fair share of the papershakers the key is just not being a wallflower and taking your shot no matter what it is take that to the bank brohans
joffer
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MTskibum
Footballguy
I got the J&J shot today and I was seeking it out. I suffer from anaphylactic shock to enough random foods where I do not want to test my luck. For example honey, it is random foods that I have never heard of anyone else suffering allergic reactions to. I did not feel comfortable trying for the mRNA vaccines.
I took an epi pen to the J&J shot today, but did not have an issue. I have not heard of anyone having anaphylaxis from the J&J shot.
:edit: my wife got pfizer, all my siblings, parents, and inlaws all sought out the more effective mRNA vaccine. But I just didn't want to risk it.
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IvanKaramazov
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Dear colleagues:
I know that a bunch of us got our second Moderna shots yesterday at the same mass vaccination event. I saw many of you there, and I'm glad we're on the cusp of getting back to normal. Also, I understand that the second shot is no joke. If you tell me that you're not feeling well, trust me, I believe you.
That said, "I'm having side effects from my vaccine" really isn't a very credible reason for why you're begging out of a Zoom meeting. And it is not lost on me that the timing of all this results in a three day weekend for you. You're not fooling anyone. If you would ever like to play poker, please just name the time, place, and stakes and I will be there.
Yours in Christ,
Ivan
I know that a bunch of us got our second Moderna shots yesterday at the same mass vaccination event. I saw many of you there, and I'm glad we're on the cusp of getting back to normal. Also, I understand that the second shot is no joke. If you tell me that you're not feeling well, trust me, I believe you.
That said, "I'm having side effects from my vaccine" really isn't a very credible reason for why you're begging out of a Zoom meeting. And it is not lost on me that the timing of all this results in a three day weekend for you. You're not fooling anyone. If you would ever like to play poker, please just name the time, place, and stakes and I will be there.
Yours in Christ,
Ivan
Todem
Footballguy
We had our lock down.....and now we don’t.Rodrigo Duterte said:
Can’t speak for Brazil.....but we are doing ok.
Overall.....the entire thing has stunk for the country. People can use common sense more than having your entire state shut down and being forced to shelter in place for months on end.
I am not going to get into politics.....but we are doing ok considering the circumstances. I and my entire family managed to stay covid free using simple common sense and practicing social distancing and wearing masks.
What a concept.
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Rodrigo Duterte
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No, a large part of our population cannot use common sense. And the reason it "has stunk for our entire country" is because of that.
So you can rip on lockdown measures being "archaic" all you want. Some places that's true. But the alternative would have probably left us more like Brazil, less like what we got.
DJackson10
Footballguy
How so J&J has been tested on some of the newer strains that came out including the South African one. I would like the get the most updated one available when possible where the other 2 have only been tested against the Strains that initially came outTerminalxylem said:
DJackson10
Footballguy
You are correct. The 66% means you will have lesser effects of COVID then others. J7J was tested against newer strains since it came out later including the first new strain from South Africa as well. So yes if the other 2 were tested during the same time as J&J then you'd very likely see similar results. The hope Is the scientist are still testing and hopefully by next year or so we have a much more effective shot overall. The initial Shot is to get people protected to have less reactions as opposed to not being vaccinated and potentially in the hospital or worse death.Dinsy Ejotuz said:
Todem
Footballguy
I don’t disagree with your sentiment about a large part of our country lacking common sense. We are on the same page. But my personal freedoms and rights are going to suffer because of idiots? No....the idiots will get Covid while I have been able to avoid it using my common sense. I am not saying everyone who contracted Covid is an idiot so please do not take it that way. I am talking about people who are simply ignorant to taking good common sense measures to prevent contraction.
If I see a situation where I feel that it would drastically increase my chances of contracting the virus....I avoid it.
It is a slippery slope. So yes Archaic measures were needed for a bit (Feb-Aug 2020) to get this under control, but now? Sorry...we are well past that point, because otherwise our entire economy will wreck 10’s of millions of lives and we have vaccines now.
Time to move on from this lockdown mentality and get back to living. And if you choose not to get vaccinated? That is on you.
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